Unions should be prophetic voice for a new social compact, Pope says [CWN]
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ringil
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Good for the Holy Father.
I know unions are not so popular around CAF but here we see the Pope’s support for organized labor.
I know unions are not so popular around CAF but here we see the Pope’s support for organized labor.
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1Lord1Faith
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Reading the Pope’s address was much more informative than the CWN piece.
I found it to be more a criticism of the unions’ current state than an endorsement of their current state. I would even go so far as to say that the union the Pope wants to see is nothing like the union that exists today, so I don’t see this address as an endorsement of the unions as they exist today. But an endorsement of unions as a vehicle for preserving peoples’ working dignity.
I think the headline of the CWN piece it apt when it refers to the unions being the entity that needs a new social compact with people. For example:
I found it to be more a criticism of the unions’ current state than an endorsement of their current state. I would even go so far as to say that the union the Pope wants to see is nothing like the union that exists today, so I don’t see this address as an endorsement of the unions as they exist today. But an endorsement of unions as a vehicle for preserving peoples’ working dignity.
I think the headline of the CWN piece it apt when it refers to the unions being the entity that needs a new social compact with people. For example:
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friardchips
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Pope Francis is probably speaking strictly to do with Trade Unions of which he is familiar i.e:- in Italy, not the world over. In the U.K, unions are the ones responsible for everything shutting down, risking the lives of millions. Not that workers shouldn’t be protected but that unions have a bad name in the U.K as most people know how dangerous they can be when they attain too much influence. So, I don’t think we can look at the Pope’s comments as meaning every Trade Union. Maybe this is the ideal of what every Trade Union ought to be, and so, in that case, why not…the assertion of an ideal rather than a representative comment reflecting upon the reality of what some Trade Unions really are.
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Stylteralmaldo
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I feel like the CWN article was something very different than the actual address by Pope Francis, mostly because of it’s incomplete coverage of what the Holy father said.
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StudentMI
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Aaand arguing over what the Pope said begins. Or that he has limited knowledge.
For anyone thinking supporting unions is something new in the Church, Rerum Novarum and Centesinus annus. They’re not hard to find.
And please don’t even start with the ‘unions are socialism and only laissez faire capitalism is consistent with the Church!’
For anyone thinking supporting unions is something new in the Church, Rerum Novarum and Centesinus annus. They’re not hard to find.
And please don’t even start with the ‘unions are socialism and only laissez faire capitalism is consistent with the Church!’
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abucs
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Actually I see it as the opposite and the unions have been instrumental to capitalism.
After all unions were banned in both the Socialist Soviet Republic and the National Socialism of the Nazis.
My understanding is that the trade guilds (forerunner to unions) broke away from being ruled by Kings and Queens and fought (literally) to keep their own produce and in the process launched both democracy and capitalism on the European stage who then took it to the world.
Not bad for overwhelmingly white, Christian, heterosexual males. (God help us).
In my estimation the unions really have to ditch the regressive Progressive Socialism with its insane identity politics which has taken it over and they should regain their rightful place as an important ingredient in the creation of the modern world with all the respect and importance that entails.
After all unions were banned in both the Socialist Soviet Republic and the National Socialism of the Nazis.
My understanding is that the trade guilds (forerunner to unions) broke away from being ruled by Kings and Queens and fought (literally) to keep their own produce and in the process launched both democracy and capitalism on the European stage who then took it to the world.
Not bad for overwhelmingly white, Christian, heterosexual males. (God help us).
In my estimation the unions really have to ditch the regressive Progressive Socialism with its insane identity politics which has taken it over and they should regain their rightful place as an important ingredient in the creation of the modern world with all the respect and importance that entails.
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Stylteralmaldo
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Can’t we see Pope Francis’ address for what it is?..a balanced address regarding unions? He praises unions and their potential good. He also addresses where they have gone wrong.
StudentMI, I didn’t see anyone post in this thread suggesting the Pope has limited knowledge. As for me, I thought the CWN article has limited reporting on what Pope Francis said.
StudentMI, I didn’t see anyone post in this thread suggesting the Pope has limited knowledge. As for me, I thought the CWN article has limited reporting on what Pope Francis said.
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christofirst
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Once again, Amen! And Thank you, Pope Francis!
That said, I do believe our unions here in the States need to focus more on finding a balance between the needs of the workers and the needs of employers. We need to focus less on the “us vs. them” mentality, and also not waste our energy on divisive social issues that alienate our more conservative members. Speaking from experience, labor and management both win when we focus on the job and we all work toward mutually beneficial agreements.
That said, I do believe our unions here in the States need to focus more on finding a balance between the needs of the workers and the needs of employers. We need to focus less on the “us vs. them” mentality, and also not waste our energy on divisive social issues that alienate our more conservative members. Speaking from experience, labor and management both win when we focus on the job and we all work toward mutually beneficial agreements.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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Pope Francis is against the mafia. Which is what USA unions are. Don’t know about Italian ones…
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Mickey_Finn
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I guess you are speaking of strikes when you say unions shut everything down? If so, that’s not exactly accurate is it? There are two sides to a negotiation. When that process fails both sides have failed to do their duty. Strikes are unfortunate, expensive and often end in disaster.
The Pope’s message was hopeful. I think he, and you, are right to say that unions and other associations (I’ll add) would do well to steer clear of many of the political entanglements. Over here, I can’t go to a union rally without bumping into PP, and other democratic supporters I do not agree with. Political alignments may get you support. But, you end up painted into an uncomfortable corner along with it.
That’s how I feel anyway.
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Oh, for Pete’s sake.
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