Unitarian Christians- true or not true?

[frobert]

To the degree that what you profess is consonant with Catholicism, I rejoice indeed!

To the degree that what you profess has divorced itself from Catholicism, I grieve.

What gave you the idea that I divorced it from the CC from what I was thinking of when I wrote the post? Could it be possible that I am currently reading the “100 Golden Verses of Epicurus” and that is why he came to my thoughts? Is your world view so limited that you believe that a truth consonant with the CC can not also occur in a pagan mind? If I try I can probably think of a poem by Rumi that would convey a similar principle.

 

[PRmerger]

The repeated use of the word “you” didn’t sound rhetorical to me, a case of misinterpretation. The fact that you had quoted my message gave me the idea you were speaking to “me” when you used “you”.

As a newbie here you should learn a few things before you make any, er, assumptions about posters.

Sometimes in discussions a “you” means a generic “you”. A hypothetical “you”.

Sometimes it is a personal "you’.

You* need to look at the context of the discourse to determine whether it’s a generic, hypothetical “you” or a personal “you”.

*Here, “you” means “everyone, including schaeffer”.

I have not created a god at all, so we are back to assumptions.

If your god never disagrees with you, then yes, you have indeed created a god. Your own false god who happens to agree with everything you believe in.

I didn’t post any jibes or assumptions at either you personally or any rhetorical idea of an impersonal you, so you lost me on that last bit.

You can’t have it both ways, schaeffer. (And here I mean a personal “you”).

You don’t get to make jibes and assumptions and then say, “I don’t make jibes or assumptions”.

OR

You don’t get to read into other folks’ posts and assume they’re jibes and assumptions, while also claiming that your posts don’t have jibes and assumptions.

 

[PRmerger]

What gave you the idea that I divorced it from the CC from what I was thinking of when I wrote the post?

*Any *of your posts that are not consonant with the CC I grieve over, frobert.

Is your world view so limited that you believe that a truth consonant with the CC can not also occur in a pagan mind?

Oh, you need to read more of my posts, frobert, before you make any assumption about that.

In fact, I often profess and proclaim that pagans and atheists can proclaim truths better than any Christian.

Please review my posting history first before you make that sort of accusation.

 

[schaeffer]

As a newbie here you should learn a few things before you make any, er, assumptions about posters.

Sometimes in discussions a “you” means a generic “you”. A hypothetical “you”.

Sometimes it is a personal "you’.

You* need to look at the context of the discourse to determine whether it’s a generic, hypothetical “you” or a personal “you”.

*Here, “you” means “everyone, including schaeffer”.

If your god never disagrees with you, then yes, you have indeed created a god. Your own false god who happens to agree with everything you believe in.

You can’t have it both ways, schaeffer. (And here I mean a personal “you”).

You don’t get to make jibes and assumptions and then say, “I don’t make jibes or assumptions”.

OR

You don’t get to read into other folks’ posts and assume they’re jibes and assumptions, while also claiming that your posts don’t have jibes and assumptions.

Yes, thanks for clearing up the rhetorical vs personal use of you. I appreciate that.

I still don’t know what you’re talking about with me making either jibes or assumptions, unless you are meaning that my confusion over the use of the word “you” was an assumption. Sorry about that, I did point out that it WAS my misunderstanding as soon as it became clear that is what it was.

I wasn’t attempting to make jibes or assumptions about anyone’s faith or good will, which is what I was referring to, so perhaps a misunderstanding again, as in others not being clear what I was referring to.

So with all that cleared up.

I have not created a false god that agrees with everything I do. Meaning I don’t fall into that particular rhetorical “you”.

It seems that is the issue you are interested in discussing or debating, and if that’s the case I can’t help you with that.

but I’m glad we cleared up those other things, I’ll be more attentive to it in the future.

 

[frobert]

*Any *of your posts that are not consonant with the CC I grieve over, frobert.
Oh, you need to read more of my posts, frobert, before you make any assumption about that.

You are confusing. You want me to believe that you are posting about other posts of mine than the one you referred to.

Now I know why we are so often in disagreement. It’s that so much that we disagree we disagree just as often about being in agreement.

 

[JonNC]

You are bordering on denigrating the Catholic faith here, Publisher, comparing the source and summit of the Catholic faith to eating regularly at McDonalds. I am personally very offended by your comments and am actually shocked at your ignorance concerning sacraments. You really don’t have a clue, do you?

I wasn’t too fond of the comment, either.

Jon

 

[SteveVH]

I wasn’t too fond of the comment, either.

Jon

Thank you.

 

[adrift]

You are bordering on denigrating the Catholic faith here, Publisher, comparing the source and summit of the Catholic faith to eating regularly at McDonalds. I am personally very offended by your comments and am actually shocked at your ignorance concerning sacraments. You really don’t have a clue, do you?

Bordering?:nope: In the middle with both feet, very offensive.

 

[SteveVH]

Bordering?:nope: In the middle with both feet, very offensive.

Yes. Thanks for the correction.

 

[Publisher]

Ah, I see.

And just a clarification: it is an incorrect explication of sacramental theology to view the sacraments as a means for Christians to “somehow gain favor with God”

Ahh I must have misundernstood. Water baptism is of no assistance whatsoever to our salvation? Whew! That’s a load off my mind. And of course partaking the blessed sacrament in no way brings one closer to God than eating at McDonalda? While my choice of food establishments could improve…is that what you are saying by stating in misunderstand saramental theology?

It is my position that participating in any ritualistic ceremony with the belief that bynparicipati g in that ceremony any amount of of grace (Gods unmerited favoris confered! Eating bread and wine does not bring Chriat into oneself. Getting sprinkled with water washes away sin as much as walking outside in a Spring shower.

 

[SteveVH]

Ahh I must have misundernstood. Water baptism is of no assistance whatsoever to our salvation? Whew! That’s a load off my mind. And of course partaking the blessed sacrament in no way brings one closer to God than eating at McDonalda? While my choice of food establishments could improve…is that what you are saying by stating in misunderstand saramental theology?

It is my position that participating in any ritualistic ceremony with the belief that bynparicipati g in that ceremony any amount of of grace (Gods unmerited favoris confered! Eating bread and wine does not bring Chriat into oneself. Getting sprinkled with water washes away sin as much as walking outside in a Spring shower.

Correct. Eating bread and wine does not bring Christ into oneself. Eating the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ, however, brings us into the most intimate relationship with Christ that is possible on this earth.

I am going to give you a chance to take back your words about our Eucharist and your analogy to McDonalds. If not, I am going to report you to the mods.

 

[Publisher]

You are bordering on denigrating the Catholic faith here, Publisher, comparing the source and summit of the Catholic faith to eating regularly at McDonalds. I am personally very offended by your comments and am actually shocked at your ignorance concerning sacraments. You really don’t have a clue, do you?

You are offended at a blunt explanation of my beliefs because friend Premenger is asking me questions about “ritual” and no matter how “Sensively” I try to “pus say floor” around the explanation as to NOT offend Catholic belief friend Premenger pursues the matter any way by seeking to convey my beliefs as inconsistent with Quaker life?

Seems like the “set up”. “tell us what you believe”. And when we do " I’m offended!!!" A set up?

 

[Publisher]

You are bordering on denigrating the Catholic faith here, Publisher, comparing the source and summit of the Catholic faith to eating regularly at McDonalds. I am personally very offended by your comments and am actually shocked at your ignorance concerning sacraments. You really don’t have a clue, do you?

Correct. Eating bread and wine does not bring Christ into oneself. Eating the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ, however, brings us into the most intimate relationship with Christ that is possible on this earth.

I am going to give you a chance to take back your words about our Eucharist and your analogy to McDonalds. If not, I am going to report you to the mods.

Report away friend…the culmination of the “set up” being reported witth the hope of what? A warning? A suspension? A banning?

 

[SteveVH]

You are offended at a blunt explanation of my beliefs because friend Premenger is asking me questions about “ritual” and no matter how “Sensively” I try to “pus say floor” around the explanation as to NOT offend Catholic belief friend Premenger pursues the matter any way by seeking to convey my beliefs as inconsistent with Quaker life?

Seems like the “set up”. “tell us what you believe”. And when we do " I’m offended!!!" A set up?

It is one thing to profess that you do not believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. It is quite another to make an analogy of the central doctrine of our faith to eating at a fast food joint.

See above.

 

[Publisher]

It is one thing to profess that you do not believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. It is quite another to make an analogy of the central doctrine of our faith to eating at a fast food joint.

See above.

It wasn’t I who pressed the point about rituals…the button friend is within easy access

Good day friend

 

[SteveVH]

Report away friend…

Very well.

 

[adrift]

It wasn’t I who pressed the point about rituals…the button friend is within easy access

Good day friend

It wasn’t my fault it was hers.:juggle:

Insulting the Catholic Faith is part of forum rules not to do. I take it that you don’t believe in Scripture.

 

[adrift]

Yes. Thanks for the correction.

No correction intended just agreeing with your outrage that I share and the excuse of I was tricked into it.

 

[SteveVH]

No correction intended just agreeing with your outrage that I share and the excuse of I was tricked into it.

Understand.

 

[Publisher]

It wasn’t my fault it was hers.:juggle:

Insulting the Catholic Faith is part of forum rules not to do. I take it that you don’t believe in Scripture.

I did not insult your faith, I did not intend offense. You took offense where none was intended. I thought intention was an important aspect if Catholicima understanding of sin?

I had no intention of offense…why take it when none was offered nor intended?