Unitarian Universalists are the ultimate relativists

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Check out this article in the Boston Globe about the installation of a new pastor at a Unitarian Universalist Church in Boston. Not surprisingly, the pastor is gay and a former Catholic. The UU’s beliefs are that no one is either right or wrong about any belief. However, if you read the fine print you will see that they have a mission statement that explicitly says that Jesus was a “good man” who said alot of wise things but that he is not divine. So with that mission statement, they violate their own rule of inclusiveness and no judgement on any religion. Anyway, the UU’s are primarily concerned with social justice issues and their big one is gay rights (most of these churches fly a rainbow flag from their pole). The article goes on to say that at this installation ceremony, the congregation says the Lord’s Prayer with an appeal to “Our Mother” - did I fail to mention that inclusive language is also a biggie for them? The bottom line is that for most UUs, God is an afterthought and belief in Him is met with a skeptical eye. In fact, I work with a guy who’s studying to become a UU minister and he is an avowed agnostic. For them truth is relative except the belief that truth is relative - unbelievable!

boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/03/27/venerable_congregation_marks_the_start_of_its_latest_innovation/
 
The statement that “no one is right or wrong about any belief” is contradictory just in itself, because the person who says it is implicitly communicating that they are correct in saying it.

Add that one right up there with things like “the Bible is the sole rule of faith”. 😃
 
While there is not much that a Unitarian and I would share as far as theology, I appreciate their hard work and commitment to helping the poor and the needy. We have multi million dollar churches who never set a foot in the wrong side of town, but the Unitarians are here. We also get the Unitarian middle school group once a year at our church. I wish I could turn their zeal to all of what Christ teaches.
 
I just joined a UU church, coming from a family background of RC. I definitely* agree * that truth is relative, particularly spiritual “truth”, and that there is no “true way” , or “right” or “wrong” way, when it comes to religion or spirituality. What’s “true” for me is not true for you, and vice versa, and neither of us can prove the other wrong conclusively and beyond a reasonable doubt. What works for one, does not work for the other. But all spiritual people are trying to get to the same spiritual “place” ; a place of inner peace and contentment basically. It doesn’t ultimately matter what road or path you take, in my opinion, just so that it works for you.

It’s a fact that there is definitely no set dogma, in UU’ism , and that the politics, if you will, of the church are liberal, Left wing, progressive. I found UU fit(s) me to a T however precisely because of the lack of dogma. Precisely because they do not , most of them at least , view Jesus as having been anything more than a “good man”, but definitely not in any way shape or form “divine”. It was the strict dogmatism of the Catholic church (to name just one thing) that deeply turned me off to it once again when I “revisited” it , after nearly a decade gone from it, over these past few months.

If I ever decide to go into a (slightly) more “dogmatic” faith again, I think I would begin the Hebrew “catechism” for conversion at a nearby liberal Reform Jewish synagogue that I know of and have visited before. I believe that my own “deist” view of God, sans any “sons, mothers, holy spirits, et al”, most closely resembles theirs. And ironically, if I became a Jew, I would then be truly doing “what Jesus would do” everytime I went to the synagogue to worship! 👍

As the Unitarians say, UU’s believe in , at most, one God. Although I do not in any way “condemn” RC’s, or other Christians , for their beliefs (so long as they do not force those views on anyone else), or think of them as being in any way " wrong" (see first paragraph) , I do believe personally that Christianity, despite its posturing as one, is not in fact a true “Abrahamic monotheism”. Most if not all Christians / RC’s pray literally to the figure or “icon” of “JesusChrist”, a hugely mythologized “version” of a long - deceased Jewish charismatic holy man of some sort. That’s viewed, by the true Abrahamic monotheists of near Eastern tradition, the Jews and the Muslims , as excessive veneration of a dead man. Shirk, as the Muslims call it, a grave offense; the Islamic equivalent of a “mortal sin”. And by both Muslims and Jews it’s viewed as blasphemous , plain and simple. It would have been utterly blasphemous to the real historical Jesus , upon whom all of the “Christ” mythology is based.

The only *true * monotheists are “deists”, like many Unitarians for example (hence the word “Unity” in the name) , Muslims , and Jews. I think all three of the latter mentioned could agree on this one key passage of the Qu’ran, called Sura Ikhlas, or “Oneness”: “Qul huwa Allahu Ahad, Allahu Samad, lam yalid walaam yulad, walaam yakin lahoo qufuwan Ahad.” Or, as the Jews say daily, on a very similar note, " … Adonai Eloheinu, Adonai Echad."

Whereas Trinitarians , be they RC’s or non-RC Christians (of whichever of the thousands of sects and cults Christendom has schismed itself into) , are following , in truth, something which much more closely resembles the ancient pagan “Mystery” religions which were so popular amongst Gentiles ( right around the time of the historical Jesus) in the Mediterranean and near East. But, once again, to each his / her own religion and spirituality. To each his / her own.

Peace…
 
Unitarianism is an abstract sketch of what some people would like Christianity to be. It’s religious indifferentism taken to an exponential degree, to the point that it’s even really hard to call them a religion at all. Unitarianism is ultimately a living and dying to oneself. To me it’s religion that is self-centered, mollified by liberal guilt.
 
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TheBigQ:
I just joined a UU church, coming from a family background of RC. I definitely* agree *that truth is relative, particularly spiritual “truth”, and that there is no “true way” , or “right” or “wrong” way, when it comes to religion or spirituality.
How can you come to this conclusion (or any conclusion, for that matter)…'relatively speaking?" :hmmm:
It doesn’t ultimately matter what road or path you take, in my opinion, just so that it works for you.
Jesus Christ said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:5-7
in UU’ism
Sounds very self-centered though it ‘feigns’ compassion for others.
Although I do not in any way “condemn” RC’s, or other Christians , for their beliefs (so long as they do not force those views on anyone else), or think of them as being in any way " wrong" (see first paragraph) ,
This is an unrealistic expectation placed upon Christians by the UU. One you know very well they are unable, due to Christ’s teachings, to comply with. So in essence, it’s a round about, backwards, backdoor way of saying that you do condemn Christians (at least those who are orthodox) without the ‘stickiness’ or the ‘nastiness’ of coming right out and saying what you really mean…which is a tactic of liberalism (to try to place the blame on the other person instead of looking at and dealing with one’s own shortcomings). So, what you really are saying here is that the UU is intolerant of Orthodox Christians, of any persuasion, due to the fact that you all wish to be allowed to do whatever you want without the hindrance of the light of Truth being shown upon you.
as excessive veneration of a dead man
Christians worship no dead man…Christ lives!

In hope and prayer that the grace of God may some day bring you back to the Catholic Church and the Truth…:gopray2:

Lisa
 
BigQ,

The UUs have given up any quest for real truth because they don’t believe that authentic truth is possible. Their liberal, progressive agenda allows them to endorse standard liberal morally illicit ideas such as same-sex marriage and abortion. I can’t fathom how they can live in such a state of uncertainty and contradiction. Examine the evidence and you’ll see the validity of the Catholic church and Christianity. Jesus was not just simply a wise man who is now long dead. He’s alive and He is Truth itself. Look at the evidence for historicity of Jesus’s life, death and resurrection - you don’t have to check your reason at the door! UUs are taught in the deconstructionalist mode of scripture study and bring that incredible bias into everything they preach and teach about. The same old arguments are brought forth to tear down Christianity such as the mystery religions, copying other myths, etc. and all of those arguments can be easily refuted if you just took the time to do so. A good book to start is The Handbook of Christian Apologetics by Peter Kreeft and Ron Tacelli. I’ll pray that you eventually receive the light of truth and return to the Church.
 
Deism is the default religion of Western Society. It has no interest in truth. In fact that is it’s one absolute. To claim that it is the only true Monotheism is ridiculous. It is not Monotheistic at all, although it may have been at one time. For a Christian especially a Catholic or Orthodox this is an insipid excuse for a religion.

CDL
 
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GregoryPalamas:
Deism is the default religion of Western Society. It has no interest in truth. In fact that is it’s one absolute. To claim that it is the only true Monotheism is ridiculous. It is not Monotheistic at all, although it may have been at one time. For a Christian especially a Catholic or Orthodox this is an insipid excuse for a religion.
CDL
To amplify that a bit:

The chief initial difference between deism and theism is that in deism, God is presumed not to, and to never have, intervened in his creation. He set the marble in motion, as it were, and sat back and watched it roll.

I’d suggest that it is more accurate to speak of the differences between deism and theism than it is to speak of differences between deism and monotheism. Deism began by assuming one God who never intervened.

But there is a lot of truth in the assertion that it is the default religion of Western society. Deism ideally suits the goals of acknowledging the existance of a God (for whatever purpose), and then making him irrelevant. He never intervenes, according to deism, and so can be conveniently ignored.

One of the errors common to deism as it has evolved and unitarians is the assumption that if it is spiritual, then it is a good thing, and so it makes no difference what “good thing” one chooses to latch onto. The problem is that the spiritual is not, a priori, a thing of goodness. Satan, and all his minions, are pure spirits, and pure evil.

Unitarianism denies the fall, implicitly. Man is quite capable of pulling himself up by his own bootstraps, unaided, in their view. Thus, the eventual union of the unitarians and the universalists was very natural.

Indeed they have a strong claim to being the ultimate relativists. And that would be fine if (to use a common analogy) there are many roads that go up to the mountain top, and therefore there is no basis for claiming one is better than any other. But the Christian position is that fine, there are indeed many roads built up the mountain by men (whether they actually get to the top is another question), but there is one built from the mountain top down to men, by God. To prefer the man-built road to the God-built road is really the presumptuous choice, not the choosing of the God-built road.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
I’ve heard of Deism being described as “God, without the baggage”. I would say a slogan just as applicable would be “God, without the importance”.
 
Gerry Hunter:
To amplify that a bit:

The chief initial difference between deism and theism is that in deism, God is presumed not to, and to never have, intervened in his creation. He set the marble in motion, as it were, and sat back and watched it roll.

I’d suggest that it is more accurate to speak of the differences between deism and theism than it is to speak of differences between deism and monotheism. Deism began by assuming one God who never intervened.

But there is a lot of truth in the assertion that it is the default religion of Western society. Deism ideally suits the goals of acknowledging the existance of a God (for whatever purpose), and then making him irrelevant. He never intervenes, according to deism, and so can be conveniently ignored.

One of the errors common to deism as it has evolved and unitarians is the assumption that if it is spiritual, then it is a good thing, and so it makes no difference what “good thing” one chooses to latch onto. The problem is that the spiritual is not, a priori, a thing of goodness. Satan, and all his minions, are pure spirits, and pure evil.

Unitarianism denies the fall, implicitly. Man is quite capable of pulling himself up by his own bootstraps, unaided, in their view. Thus, the eventual union of the unitarians and the universalists was very natural.

Indeed they have a strong claim to being the ultimate relativists. And that would be fine if (to use a common analogy) there are many roads that go up to the mountain top, and therefore there is no basis for claiming one is better than any other. But the Christian position is that fine, there are indeed many roads built up the mountain by men (whether they actually get to the top is another question), but there is one built from the mountain top down to men, by God. To prefer the man-built road to the God-built road is really the presumptuous choice, not the choosing of the God-built road.

Blessings,

Gerry
Excellent analysis of the UUs and their untenable relativistic ways.
 
Sorry off the topic. Just wanted to share it with you. In a quiz I join, the result is
  1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
  2. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (99%)
  3. Liberal Quakers (93%)
  4. Neo-Pagan (85%)
  5. Orthodox Quaker (83%)
  6. New Age (78%)
  7. Hinduism (75%)
  8. Mahayana Buddhism (68%)
  9. Theravada Buddhism (66%)
  10. Code:
    Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant  (62%)
  11. Code:
    Eastern Orthodox  (62%)
  12. Code:
    Roman Catholic  (62%)
  13. Code:
    Secular Humanism  (62%)
  14. Code:
    Seventh Day Adventist (61%)
  15. Code:
    New Thought  (54%)
  16. Code:
    Sikhism  (52%)
  17. Code:
    Taoism  (52%)
  18. Code:
    Scientology (51%)
  19. Code:
    Reform Judaism (48%)
  20. Code:
    Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist)  (47%)
  21. Code:
    Bahá'í Faith  (41%)
  22. Code:
    Jainism  (32%)
  23. Code:
    Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons)  (31%)
  24. Code:
    Jehovah's Witness  (31%)
  25. Code:
    Nontheist  (31%)
  26. Code:
    Orthodox Judaism (29%)
  27. Code:
    Islam (11%)
I wonder that I am 100% unitarian universalism!.. hey… I’m catholic! 👍

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