unitarian

[Darryl_B]

I would just like to give a real life example of the problem of unitarian. I belonged to a unitarian church because I was raised in one, and one thing we would do as teenagers was have mock debates. Debates were very popular in the 1800’s before the advent of radio and tv. We had a mock debate between unitarian and Trinitarian beliefs but we stopped having debates because the Trinitarian argument won. It didn’t work out so well. Everyone knew that the Trinitarian argument was better and answered a lot more, but still we maintained the unitarian belief. I could of got over that demise if it wasn’t for one thing.

I moved to another city and joined a church of the same unitarian belief, and someone told me that they too had held a mock debate, but the Trinitarian argument won, so they don’t hold mock debates anymore. The unitarian knows the Trinitarian truth, and can defend it, but they don’t want to believe it.

 

[stephe1987]

It’s the sin of pride. They know they made a mistake in their theology but they won’t admit to it.

 

[Publisher]

It seems to me the problem is not Unitarianism…but “debate” is the issues. I suggest the “sin of presumption” is made by both Trinitarians and Unitarian when lit is claimed to know tha Nature of God…the God who spoke the universe into existence…the God who holds all things in His Hands at once…to be understood to the point of mere humans so that they would exclude any who disagreed with tme on the Nature of the Eternal God, WHo is beyond “all that we think or know”…is rather presumptuous…don’t you think?

 

[Iron_Donkey]

It seems to me the problem is not Unitarianism…but “debate” is the issues. I suggest the “sin of presumption” is made by both Trinitarians and Unitarian when lit is claimed to know tha Nature of God…the God who spoke the universe into existence…the God who holds all things in His Hands at once…to be understood to the point of mere humans so that they would exclude any who disagreed with tme on the Nature of the Eternal God, WHo is beyond “all that we think or know”…is rather presumptuous…don’t you think?

Also the God who reveals His nature to us. This would make sense if God were a sort of absent stand offish creator, but He’s not.

 

[Robyn_p]

It seems to me the problem is not Unitarianism…but “debate” is the issues. I suggest the “sin of presumption” is made by both Trinitarians and Unitarian when lit is claimed to know tha Nature of God…the God who spoke the universe into existence…the God who holds all things in His Hands at once…to be understood to the point of mere humans so that they would exclude any who disagreed with tme on the Nature of the Eternal God, WHo is beyond “all that we think or know”…is rather presumptuous…don’t you think?

We don’t claim to know everything there is to know about God. Not even close. We could not have come to the realization of the Trinity on our own, but God chose to reveal it to us. Like you said, the God who spoke everything into existence…who holds all thing together at once, condescended to reveal the secret of his inner life to us, mere creatures! Why? Out of love. Even we only tell our closest friends intimate details about ourselves. The revelation of the Trinity is actually an incredible act of love! We shouldn’t ignore it then, that would be rude to Him. Rather, we should dive in and try and learn as much as we can. We can never plumb the depths of if, but that’s the exciting part, like an endless art gallery, every step further in gives the thrill of discovery.

EDIT: I realize now you didn’t actually say we should ignore it, just that we can’t know everything, which is true. Sorry about that

 

[Rosella]

So Unitarians are like Catholics. Truth is staring them in the face and they choose to believe their own contrary views and filter God to suit their tastes.

 

[Bklynguy]

It’s the sin of pride. They know they made a mistake in their theology but they won’t admit to it.

Yep, this is pretty much it…they want to believe what they want to believe because to accept the truth would be too hard.

 

[kaneata]

So Unitarians are like Catholics. Truth is staring them in the face and they choose to believe their own contrary views and filter God to suit their tastes.

I don’t believe Unitarians and Catholics are alike at all. If Unitarians and Unitarian-Universalists are the same thing-they believe that just about anything is acceptable. How do you see Catholics believing in contrary views that aren’t Truth?

 

[Lisa1967]

I used to be a Unitarian as well. People of all faiths or of none are welcome in the Unitarian church. I knew many atheists, people in mixed-faith marriages, spiritual but not religious, pagans, and others in the churches I went to.

The Unitarian church draws on Judeo-Christian teachings but also on various other traditions such as human reason and earth spirituality.

For more on the Unitarian faith, see their website uua.org

 

[Publisher]

It’s the sin of pride. They know they made a mistake in their theology but they won’t admit to it.

Of course…that must be it…they couldn’t sincerely believe what they embrace…they KNOW what they embrace is false and a lie…but their “sin” keeps them from “admitting it”…WOW!

 

[Darryl_B]

Unitarian is a belief system that cannot exist by itself. It can only ever exist as an argument against the Trinitarian belief system. Which is why the method of proving the Unitarian belief system is to first of all ask a Trinitarian to show from the Bible where the Trinitarian belief system is supported. Then they will explain those passages in obscure ways, but it can only ever be argued from an opposition to the Trinitarian never from its own merit.

When an argument relies on an opposing argument to exist, then you have to wonder the reason for keeping it. Yes.

 

[abucs]

Hello Darryl B,

what were the arguments that won the day for Trinitarianism? Was it mostly Bible based?

Thanks.

 

[FireDragon76]

The main appeal of “unitarianism” was that it was rationalism and fit with the deism of the day- “Why believe ten impossible things before breakfast?” sort of thing.

Modern Unitarian-Universalism owes alot more to individualism and the pagan fascination with spirituality for its own sake, but that’s another topic in itself.

 

[Darryl_B]

Hello Darryl B,

what were the arguments that won the day for Trinitarianism? Was it mostly Bible based?

Thanks.

Thank you for your question. There was a combination of things.

I could not provide a satisfactory argument against some key passages of Scripture. I have found since, that on many doctrines which could be “invented” by “private interpretation” that God pre-emptively placed “hidden” proofs against the “private interpretation” within Scripture. It’s like He knew and covered His Truth. I was amazed, God is truely All-Knowing and All-Powerful. I still stand in awe at how He did that.

Secondly I had serious trouble reconciling the sacrifice of Jesus Christ from the unitarian position. I could not make it make sense.

Thirdly I had been given some fairly substantial lies about history. I had also been taught substantial lies about the Catholic Church but that is another matter which I am presently working through.

Once I reached a point of sufficiently confused all I could do was surrender my will and intellect to God and ask for help because I couldn’t do it on my own.