Unitatis Redintegratio - V2 Decree on Ecumenism

[DustinsDad]

Well, if I stick to last Sunday’s Epistle about the “letter killeth, but the spirit quickeneth” we see that grace is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, because it’s the opposite of the letter killeth. We also see that grace our personal union with Christ. The early church fathers picked up on it, so a study of grace will include Saint Margaret Mary Alacoque and her indwelling of the Holy Spirit. It was finally determined that all the people on this planet have grace, because of Saint Margaret Mary’s visions.

We can not avoid the fact that the letter applies to everyone and is impersonal. I want you to ask yourself, how many of these forum posts have the letter as central? How many have the grace of Ecumenism up front where we can read it?

Wow.

No offence, but it sounds like you’ve got a bunch of bad theology in there - stuff coming from outside of Christ’s Church. I wouldn’t know where to start with ya. I’d suggest laying all your preconceived notions aside for the moment and starting from scratch…Lesson One of the trusty ol’ Baltimore Catechism would be a good start.

Though, since you are apparently in the “Charismatic Movement” hard and heavy - you might want to give Lesson 16 a quick read first - it’s on the gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit.

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad

 

[holy_roamer]

Wow.

No offence, but it sounds like you’ve got a bunch of bad theology in there - stuff coming from outside of Christ’s Church. I wouldn’t know where to start with ya. I’d suggest laying all your preconceived notions aside for the moment and starting from scratch…Lesson One of the trusty ol’ Baltimore Catechism would be a good start.

Though, since you are apparently in the “Charismatic Movement” hard and heavy - you might want to give Lesson 16 a quick read first - it’s on the gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit.

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad

No offence here either, but Protestants who are visiting do not need Catechism, you are the one who should be in Catechism. I don’t mean this as an insult, but if you can’t get a handle on last Sunday’s Epistle for the Twelfth Sunday after Pentecost traditional Latin Mass, then me as a Protestant shouldn’t be the one to explain it to you.

Here is a related quote from Cardinal Ratzinger’s homily at conclave’s opening Mass that pertains to Ecumenism and the letter from last Sunday‘s traditional homily:

In any case, the Lord gave a genuine commentary on these words by being put to death on the cross. St. Peter says: “He himself bore our sins in his body upon the cross” (1 Pt 2:24). And St. Paul writes in his letter to the Galatians: “Christ ransomed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written, ‘Cursed be everyone who hangs on a tree,’ that the blessing of Abraham might be extended to the gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith” (Gal 3:13-14). <

Here is whole homily if you want to read it:

[ncronline.org/ma(name removed by moderator)age/specialdocuments/ratzinger_conclavehomily.htm](http://ncronline.org/ma(name removed by moderator)age/specialdocuments/ratzinger_conclavehomily.htm)

Hope and pray that come to spiritual understanding of the letter and the spirit, my prayers are with you.

 

[DustinsDad]

No offence here either, but Protestants who are visiting do not need Catechism, you are the one who should be in Catechism.

I’m sorry - I was mistakenly under the impression that you were considering coming home to the Church (ecumenism and all that).

I don’t mean this as an insult, but if you can’t get a handle on last Sunday’s Epistle for the Twelfth Sunday after Pentecost traditional Latin Mass, then me as a Protestant shouldn’t be the one to explain it to you.

Um, I wasn’t asking for your personal interpretation of “the Epistle for the Twelfth Sunday after Pentecost traditional Latin Mass”. I was asking how you got the impression that “in 1647 Saint Margaret Mary Alacoque’s ‘renewal’ changed Western Catholic thinking about grace.”

In any case…this is off topic.

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad

 

[holy_roamer]

I’m sorry - I was mistakenly under the impression that you were considering coming home to the Church (ecumenism and all that).

Um, I wasn’t asking for your personal interpretation of “the Epistle for the Twelfth Sunday after Pentecost traditional Latin Mass”. I was asking how you got the impression that “in 1647 Saint Margaret Mary Alacoque’s ‘renewal’ changed Western Catholic thinking about grace.”

In any case…this is off topic.

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad

Okay, I will look it up for you. God’s grace is the basic building block for Ecumenism, so it’s not off topic. Basically, all of Saint Margaret Mary’s visions involved grace and the Popes starting with Pius X on down to the present worked on it.

After the weekday 6:00 PM Tridentine Masses I kneel before the shrine of Jesus and Saint Margaret Mary and pray in the Spirit, but God hasn’t revealed anything yet. During Saint Margaret Mary’s third vision Jesus required her to lie prostrate for an hour with her face to the earth, the share the “mortal sadness”…… It was to be done every week on the night of Thursday or Friday. Today was Thursday, but I haven’t asked the priest about mortification yet. I’m probably pushing my luck by praying in the Spirit while kneeling at the Shrine. I’m pretty sure that if I prostrate for an hour in front of the shrine that God will reveal something to me, because I can sense the Spirit moving while just sitting there listening to Gregorian Chants.

Here is a picture of the shrine with the heart of Jesus and a nun.

http://shutter14.pictures.aol.com/d...2/F8/Drx4ojJbCaBaeVwpafGj6LBtczSp6CyF018B.jpg

 

[DustinsDad]

Okay, I will look it up for you. God’s grace is the basic building block for Ecumenism, so it’s not off topic.

Ok. How would you define ecumenism?

Basically, all of Saint Margaret Mary’s visions involved grace and the Popes starting with Pius X on down to the present worked on it.

I don’t get what you mean.

After the weekday 6:00 PM Tridentine Masses I kneel before the shrine of Jesus and Saint Margaret Mary and pray in the Spirit, but God hasn’t revealed anything yet.

Anything about what?

During Saint Margaret Mary’s third vision Jesus required her to lie prostrate for an hour with her face to the earth, the share the “mortal sadness”…… It was to be done every week on the night of Thursday or Friday.

I don’t know if “required” is the right word, and I thought it was a Friday thing. But ok. I’m with ya so far.

Today was Thursday, but I haven’t asked the priest about mortification yet.

What do you want to know about moritification?

I’m probably pushing my luck by praying in the Spirit while kneeling at the Shrine.

What do you mean by “pushing your luck” and what do you mean by “praying in the Spirit”? Tounges?

I’m pretty sure that if I prostrate for an hour in front of the shrine that God will reveal something to me,

Seeking a mystical experience are you? Certainly God can grant them if He so chooses - but that’s at his discretion. Ya don’t need to have one in order for God to reveal something to you, all ya have to do is listen to the Church he founded. “He who hears you hears me….” that sort of thing.

…because I can sense the Spirit moving while just sitting there listening to Gregorian Chants.

Having such “sensations” during Gregorian Chant is normal - it’s what it’s designed for. As the Council of Trent said, such things are gifts given by God through His Church to help us lift our hearts and minds to the contemplation of the Divine.

Here is a picture of the shrine with the heart of Jesus and a nun.

http://shutter14.pictures.aol.com/d...2/F8/Drx4ojJbCaBaeVwpafGj6LBtczSp6CyF018B.jpg

Beautiful.

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad

 

[Jean_Anthony]

This thread is closed. Thank you all.