United pentecostal woman arent allowed to cut hair

[ralphinal]

And it’s high time men do learn to control themselves… without burdening women! Men have to control their own testosterone.

Oh, I don’t disagree at all. You should be around he fights that I start when I tell a guy that they don’t “have” to have sex. Men, especially today, do not want to take the time to develope self-discipline or self-control.

 

[mercygate]

And it’s high time men do learn to control themselves… without burdening women! Men have to control their own testosterone.

But they seem to have a direct connection from the eyeball to the (ahem . . .) and it bypasses the brain.

That said, modesty is VERY much a matter of the immediate culture. 150 years ago in China, a man would practically pass out from sexual arousal at the sight of a deformed, bound foot. :bigyikes:

Certain Orthodox Jews think the female elbow is a scandal.

The modesty bar is extremely hard to pin down.

 

[Mirdath]

And it’s high time men do learn to control themselves… without burdening women! Men have to control their own testosterone.

Can I get an Amen?

I’m all for not causing car accidents, but the ‘men are animals who can’t control themselves, so it’s up to women to make up for their deficiency’ attitude is… repulsive.

 

[Sabda]

United Pentecostals are not the only Christian group which prohibit women from cutting their hair, or who still debate whether it is okay for women to at least trim their hair or state that women should have hair long enough to put up.

The first group that came to mind when I read the post on this topic about non hair cutting was the “Church with No Name” also known as “The Cooneyites or “Two by Two’s” who started in the United Kingdom in the late 19th century. Link to them on religioustolerance.org/chr_2x2.htm

The Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints is another group against women cutting their hair at all. The reason given in articles for them having this prohibition is because women “will use it to wash Christ’s feet at the second coming.”

The Apostolic Christian Church states “Women are to wear their hair long (ideally long enough to put the hair up, i.e., shoulder-length hair would be considered too short) and to have their hair up”. Link is apostolicchristianchurch.org/

From googling seems that some there is a range on opinion in Amish and Menonite groups with se believing that women should not cut their hair at all to having hair of a “reasonable” length.

Also there seems to be differences about whether women should wear their long hair up or not. The Conneyites do not allow it while The Fundamentalist Church of Later Day Saints allows it but prescribes how it should be worn.

Trousers and pants for women are also usually prohibited.

It’s interesting to see the many different groups with these same views. Having family who practice these beliefs has made me more interested in the historical aspects of this. Interestingly enough trousers being exclusively a male thing didn’t really come out in any large way until the Medieval era in Europe. European society has had an enormous impact on they way people dress over the past several centuries. For anyone interested in reading I found this really good article about the history of clothing. I haven’t had as much luck with the topic of hairstyles.

 

[steamboat]

I grew up in the Pentecostal church. I remember we weren’t allowed to cut our hair because it was our “crowning glory.” We also couldn’t wear slacks or shorts, couldn’t dance, couldn’t go to movies, and no makeup. On Sundays we were not allowed to ride our bikes or roller skate or watch television when we got home from church. Sunday afternoons were for quiet play or reading the Bible. We would “play church” after church on Sundays. My sister was quite a good little preacher.

Since I became a Catholic at 19 years old and I’m waaaay past that now, I don’t know if the same rules apply now, but that’s the way it was then.

 

[kuppusamy]

I know this is an old thread. But, as a former UPC member now converted Catholic I feel it is my duty to speak the truth about the UPC and their dress codes. The current member made it all feel so lovely and nice. And, like you don`t have to do it. This is NOT true. And, as pointed out if it were it would be a very Catholic thing as well (as in discipline or a fast).

As a young child I was a daughter of a UPC minister. My grandfather had his own church. It was through this grandfather and in his home I was molested by my uncle. They all turned their heads. And, denied it. Even though my grandmother saw it.

As I grew older we moved to a much larger church an ALJC (Assmeblies of the Lord Jesus Christ) this is just like the UPC a split off denom. It was here I was ex-communicated becase I trimmed my hair. For those who think this is just somthing small I assure you it is not. As a member of this church I was not allowed to make friends with people outside of the church. Sure, I coud talk to them at school but that was it. If I went to their house or hung ot with them my mom would weep and wail and pray over my room sure I was becomin an awful sinner - under the direction of the pastor.

At 16 I admitted I had cut my hair. I was told I was a disgrace to my church. And they did not want me representing their church at any functions where other churches were involvevd for at least a year. After that we would revisit the topic. I had already paid a downpayment on a trip, around $300. That money was never refunded to me. Like I said, I was working at Burger King not making a lot of money and still in school. This was a large amount of me money for me.

NOT to mention the other part of the excommunication. I was not allowed to visit with my friends in the church youth group. So, I had no friends at school. And, no friends at church at least that I could communicate with. I was cast aside by my church.

Do not be fooled. Please. This is not a peace loving community. They believe they have special powers because of their hair. That their hair is a covering that gives them pair over angels. It sounds like witchcraft to me, and they admit that witches know the same power they do. There are special evangalists that speak on behalf of this power, and urger women to let their hair down, shake it, and feel the power of God thorugh their hair.

You will find ministers who believe and speak from the pulpit that tradegy is adverted through the long hair. That mothers who loose their babies are reaping what they sowed by cutting their hair. Lee Stonework is one such evangalist.

I say this with deep conviction because I have lots of family in the UPC who have their own churches, ministery and some even hold offices in the UPC. I reject this theology and am greatful for the peace I have found in the Catholic Church. The pain I endured while in this movement I thought irrepariable. I actually left and was on my way to becoming an atheist thoroughly embracing Ayn Rand and her teachings on Objectivisim. Had it not been for that one morning my husand and I walked into our beloved parish…we would not have the wonderful relationship we have with Jesus Christ. I would have never known the loved that Jesus had for me…and what a loss that would have been.

I will also say this, during my youth while being abused I had my mother tell me to pray. Remember I was a six year old little girl. That was all I got. I was so confused, hurt, and guilty - feeling things were my fault. Being told that I should stop them. I prayed all the time. I didnt understand and felt I had no family. I remember telling God at six, they say you are my Father but I dont just need a Father I need a mother. I am an orphan.

On a bolt of light, like lightening, I saw an orange ball and sitting on that ball was the Blessed Mother. I didn`t know it then, but I do now. I never forgot that. It scared the daylights out of me. I ran and told my mom…only when I first saw Our Lady of Guadalupe as a newly baptized Catholic did I realize what I saw that day so many years ago.

 

[Publisher]

My grandmother on my dad’s side was Church of Christ…her brother was a Holiness preacher…she didn’t cut her hair and it was way down past her hips to the day she died. She kept it in braids wrapped around her head…as a child I was always facinated at the length of her hair…as I got older and we actually talked, she told me it was out of respect for her brother’s Holiness teaching she didn’t cut her hair.

 

[pipper]

Is it true that members of the UPC do not beleive in the Holy Trinity but follow some ancient heresy (that I forgotten the name of)?

Are they the ones who are nicknamed “Jesus Only”, and baptise “In Jesus’ name Amen”?

 

[survive]

I almost joined it years back. I worked with a couple of them and we were friends. There are a lot around here.
What I observed is that there is variation among UPC people. Women aren’t allowed to cut their hair, and men aren’t allowed to grow theirs long (what most would call medium for a man). Men must wear suits and ties wherever possible, and seem to favor tidy, restrictive work gear compared to other men in the same occupations. Men must be clean-shaven. Women must not wear makeup or expensive jewelry, but there is a gray area as to plain decorations. Men and women can’t wear clothes that might be taken as sexually ambiguous, even when in fashion. The UPC women I know are outspoken and one in particular has done a lot to help an abused child or two. However, I can see how others might not, given the general reluctance to involve outsiders in their problems. I haven’t personally seen the cruel neglect the earlier poster described, and I certainly hope it is now being dealt with. Of course, even being relatively close to some individuals, I might not have seen all there was to see. What concerned me, and put me off, is that children asking the reasons for the regulations were treated as rebellious and not answered but ordered to stop asking. That made me angry and sad to witness.

 

[elisha777]

Is it true that members of the UPC do not beleive in the Holy Trinity but follow some ancient heresy (that I forgotten the name of)?

Are they the ones who are nicknamed “Jesus Only”, and baptise “In Jesus’ name Amen”?

Yes it is true that they don´t believe Holy Trinity. History there was this movement which was called as modalists or something like that. I had one book about this heresy.

Yes according to Wikipedia they have this nickname.

 

[josie_L]

I think the men want their women to have long hair because it makes them feel more like they are men. And the women feel more feminine
It is a bother to have too long hair and can get tangled into something. But of course the men(husband ) likes to see it come down in the evening. There are other religions that believe in this, such as the Mennonites and the Amish. I have my hair long sometimes and short other times and curl it or leave it straight. I resent it when other women tell me how to have my hair. There are many that have their hair shorter than men or their husbands. If I don’t see a woman friend for awhile their hair is shorter and shorter and they say oh it feels so good to get just a quarter inch off they don’t even have that left that is why I will not go real short. I need it at least about 4-6 inches long.

Actually, you may be right, there is I believe a thread on CAF, can’t remember which forum, that basically asked men what hair lenght they liked on women, and pretty much, hands down, long hair, won. It could very well be that the men are “manipulating” the women to keep their hair long. I myself have medium-lenght hair because I find long hair bothers me. I don’t think however it is necessary for anyone to keep their hair long for the purpose of their faith. It seems sort of silly, considering that it doesn’t really play a role in who we are as Christians.

 

[josie_L]

Thanks to everyone who has joined this discussion.

As far as the onus being on the woman, I had a priest explain it like this: it is to protect the men from themselves. Too many men all through the ages have lacked self-control over their own sexual desires. If women did not limit them, they would really be in trouble. Please referance the last 40 years in the world.

Oh, c’mon, men have more self-control than this, no??? And I think the last 40 years is more representative of the contraceptive society, pro-abortion phase of the Sexual revolution than it is about what we women are wearing. Although, admittedly there are way too many revealing clothes out there that make me wonder, why some women even bother putting on clothes (please guys refrain from commenting about how great an idea this might be)? I remember this one incident of a woman with her boyfriend, who wore such a short skirt that when a slight gust of wind came her way, the skirt was lifted up to reveal her undies. Now, that is distasteful as well completely immodest. I have nothing against skirts that are mid-thigh, but anything higher than this, is inappropriate.

 

[scottirey]

I became a Pentecostal in my early twenties. Much of what I have read in this thread was true in the particular branch of the UPC I belonged to. Woman were not expressly forbidden from cutting their hair but it was so strongly discouraged that none of the women in my congregation cut their hair more than once after committing themselves to the churches doctrine.

It is also true that the UPC does not believe in the Holy Trinity. They preach a “oneness” doctrine the teaches Father Son and Holy Spirit are all manifestations of the One God. This at first sounds like semantics, but it truly is much more. They believe that Jesus is God and that he chooses to manifest himself in three distinct forms to us. As Jesus us the only name given for our Lord they subsequently baptize in the the “Name of Jesus”.

On that note they believe that full water immersion in the “Name of Jesus” is the only form of valid baptism. I had to be “re-baptized” when I joined as I was born into a Lutheran family and baptized in the Name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit as an infant. I was taught that not only was the name I was baptized in incorrect but I was also taught that only a person of the “age of consent” could make the decision to baptized.

I was involved for roughly 4 years and can only speak from my personal experiences. I left the church in an emotionally and spiritually traumatized state and completely turned my back on any faith in God because of it. But our Lord is persistent. After 15 years of being a professed agnostic He revealed himself to me and brought me into the church He founded. Praise the Lord for for his abundant grace and love.

May the peace and blessings of our Lord be with you all.