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Wikipedia is a great reference for questions such as these and their article on UU can be found here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism

From what it sounds like, it is somewhat similar to Freemasonry, as it sounds like it’s just a club that people go to who don’t really subscribe to any predefined particular religion or belief.
 
Semper Fi:
Wikipedia is a great reference for questions such as these and their article on UU can be found here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism

From what it sounds like, it is somewhat similar to Freemasonry, as it sounds like it’s just a club that people go to who don’t really subscribe to any predefined particular religion or belief.
They are very dogmatic while claiming not to be. As I mentioned above, I know UU from the inside. It is more intolerant today than when I left decades ago over the intolerance. Wikipedia could not be more wrong when it states:

“(UU) respects all the major religious traditions, and religious services often draw from the various world faiths. A major difference between Unitarian Universalism and other major religions is a strong emphasis on tolerance and acceptance . . .(within UU is a) vast diversity of views”

Think some evangelical Protestants are rough on Catholics? That is nothing compared to what UUs think. They actively promote the lies about Pope Pius XII we see coming from the far left. Where I live now, their main issue is defunding the Boy Scouts of American and trying to get HS schools to ban them from campuses. They are also rabidly pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia and pro-gay marriage. There is zero tolerance for anyone who does not share those views. Zip. Nada. None.
 
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David_Paul:
They are very dogmatic while claiming not to be. As I mentioned above, I know UU from the inside. It is more intolerant today than when I left decades ago over the intolerance. Wikipedia could not be more wrong when it states:

“(UU) respects all the major religious traditions, and religious services often draw from the various world faiths. A major difference between Unitarian Universalism and other major religions is a strong emphasis on tolerance and acceptance . . .(within UU is a) vast diversity of views”

Think some evangelical Protestants are rough on Catholics? That is nothing compared to what UUs think. They actively promote the lies about Pope Pius XII we see coming from the far left. Where I live now, their main issue is defunding the Boy Scouts of American and trying to get HS schools to ban them from campuses. They are also rabidly pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia and pro-gay marriage. There is zero tolerance for anyone who does not share those views. Zip. Nada. None.
Wow,I would love to hear more about what you were taught:eek: Definately,worth avoiding taking wikipedias word for it:nope:
 
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cheddarsox:
It has a Christian history, Unitarian meaning not believing in the trinity, and Universalism, belief that all are saved. However, it is no longer a Christian denomination, though some individual UU churches are rather Christian in practice. **Please clarify for me. How does this denomination have a Christian history when it denies belief in the Trinity? **

People attend for all the same reasons they would attend any other church, spiritual growth, fellowship, wanting to congregate to better serve the community. **You said that there are Jews, atheists, etc in the Unitarian church. Why would an atheist go to church anyhow? S/he could get most of these things anywhere, except spiritual growth, and I’m not so sure an atheist would think that was necessary. **

cheddar
 
Jews who believe very liberal Reform Judaism is too conservative end up UUs. UU is the next stop on the station for liberal Christians too–those who are aghast that their church even debates the issue of gay clergy and marriage.
UU’s do enjoy self-deprecating humor. Give my former brethren that. A few:

UU#1: “UUs don’t know enough about the Bible.”

UU#2: “Some of us are self-taught, and know a lot. Like me”

UU#1: “Oh, yeah? I’ll bet you five bucks you can’t recite the Lord’s Prayer.”

UU#2: “You’re on. Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my soul to keep, if I should die before I wake, I pray the Lord my soul to take.”

UU#1: “All right, I was wrong, you’re right – you win.”

What’s sad about that joke is when you tell it to a roomful of UUs and no one gets it.

What is a Unitarian Universalist?
An atheist with children.

A group of UU church school children were trying to determine the sex of a rabbit. “There’s only one way to decide,” said one child, “let’s take a vote on it.”

Q: What do you call a dead Unitarian Universalist?
A: All dressed up with no place to go.

A man was being given a tour of Hell by the Devil. “This is the area where we keep people who have violated the food taboos of their religion”, the Devil said. “Behind this first door are the Catholics. These are the ones who ate meat on Friday. Behind the second door are the Jews. They all ate pork. Behind the third door are the Unitarians.” The man looked puzzled. The Devil clarified, “They ate their entree with their salad fork.”

What does a UU say when someone sneezes?

“Oooh, ick! Get away! Germs!”

Did you hear about the UU minister who had twins, named
one and kept the other as a control?

Where do Unitarian Universalists go when they die?
The Peace Corps

One UU to another UU when asked if they had read the Bible:
“Hey! Started to - but I got half way through and the hero died.”

A street corner evangelist rhetorically asked a passer-by, “Friend – do you know what path leads to the denial of God and Christ straight into the arms of heathenism and atheism?”

“Oh, sure,” said the passer-by. “The Unitarian Universalist Fellowship is just two blocks that way.”
 
Momofone:
Unitarianisn is a religious movement that sprung from Christianity, basically Christians that rejected the idea of the trinity. You can look those facts up yourself. It was a big movement in colonial times and a number of founding fathers were unitarians. I don’t know the origin of it, other than the fact that some people read the Bible and do not see the idea of trinity supported by it.

I have asked atheists the same thing. Here is what they tell me. Even people who don’t believe in god still have a spiritual sense. They have the needs to belong to community, hash out spiritual and religious questions, serve their communities etc just like anyone else does. The atheists that come to church are not the ones that make a religion out of being against god. They don’t believe in god, but they are not about converting others to their lack of belief. I think if most of us examined our motives, we would see that our involvement in the church has more to do with our human need than our belief that god demands or needs our participation.

cheddar
 
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jennstall:
This is all spot on. I was a UU for a few years and then left because I never felt like any UU would ever commit to anything belief-wise. The Unitarian Universalist Association works on a Congregationalist model so every UU congretion is different. There are also many UU committees that cater to different “spiritual” groups. I know for a fact that there’s a UU Pagan group and there’s a UU Christian group, so there is probably a UU Buddhist group and a UU Atheist group too. The home of the UUA is Boston and they are definitely strongest in New England and many of the NE congregations are still really quite Christian, but those tend to be mostly older congregations. UUs are very involed in social justice issues and some congregations are really nothing more than places to get together and work on those issues while drinking coffee, with no religious focus whatsoever. They also tend to have big social lives in the congretion – coffee houses, summer camp, concerts, etc.

It is without a doubt the most wishy-washiest church (Assocaition really, the official name doesnt’ include the word “Church”) ever though and that always drove me crazy.

CONGREGATION – see, I do know how to spell it. 😛
I hear you. I have the same problem with UUism. It just flounders around, unable or unwilling to grasp anything. My family attends a uu church because it provides some good things, is full of good people, but we need more spiritually, and have do work on that end ourselves. I don’t call myself a UU, because it is nearly a meaningless word, too vague for my tastes.

cheddar
 
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David_Paul:
They are very dogmatic while claiming not to be. As I mentioned above, I know UU from the inside. It is more intolerant today than when I left decades ago over the intolerance. Wikipedia could not be more wrong when it states:

“(UU) respects all the major religious traditions, and religious services often draw from the various world faiths. A major difference between Unitarian Universalism and other major religions is a strong emphasis on tolerance and acceptance . . .(within UU is a) vast diversity of views”

Think some evangelical Protestants are rough on Catholics? That is nothing compared to what UUs think. They actively promote the lies about Pope Pius XII we see coming from the far left. Where I live now, their main issue is defunding the Boy Scouts of American and trying to get HS schools to ban them from campuses. They are also rabidly pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia and pro-gay marriage. There is zero tolerance for anyone who does not share those views. Zip. Nada. None.
I agree that they are intolerant of plenty of things. I have not seen much specific venom toward Catholics, but I am not living in an area that has many Catholics. What I do see is rampant bashing of Christianity in general. It is a HUGE problem. The Christians and Christian tolerants in the crowd are constantly bringing it up, but it goes on. They have blind spots, no doubt about it.

It is an ongoing challenge for me. There are not many churches in my area that suit, so I have to choose which blind spots and ridicuous behavior I am currently able to tolerate.

I have lived in many places, and attended several denominations, and for the most part I have found that in practice, most churches are about the same. The majority of the people are good hearted folk who come for the best reasons and make a lot of good happen. There are always vocal folks on the more conservative side and the more liberal side that generate more attention than they really should. There are always blind spots and sore spots and petty garbage to wade through, after all, churches are made of humans and human nature is human nature.

Every good and bad thing you will ever hear about the UU’s in general is probably true, and can be supported. So is every good and bad thing you’ve ever heard about Catholics, or Baptists or whatever. UU’s are not inherently evil or misguided. They are no better or worse than any other religion.

Frankly, and I don’t expect this to win any friends here, I would have to say that the folks I have met in the more liberal churches (UU, UCC) may tend to be a bit more spiritually focused than those who attend churches with mandatory attendance. Because when you go to a church where showing up isn’t a requirement, it does mean that you voluntarily care enough to make the effort. UUs are working at their faith because they want to, not out of any fear of retribution. That does tend to attract a rather devoted, spiritual type of personality.

cheddar
 
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cheddarsox:
There are always vocal folks on the more conservative side and the more liberal side that generate more attention than they really should. There are always blind spots and sore spots and petty garbage to wade through, after all, churches are made of humans and human nature is human nature.

Every good and bad thing you will ever hear about the UU’s in general is probably true, and can be supported. So is every good and bad thing you’ve ever heard about Catholics, or Baptists or whatever. UU’s are not inherently evil or misguided. They are no better or worse than any other religion.
No. It is not a case of both sides doing it. Of there being no better or worse.

UUs have specific moral standards. So do Catholics and Baptists. They differ. Greatly. And they push their standards on others. We are not taking sports teams where you might favor this one or that and it makes no difference.

This is life and death, the ultimate view a person has on humanity and God.

Abortion is evil. UUs support it. Euthanasia is evil. UUs support that. Communist regimes are evil. UUs supported most of them during the Cold War. Those who fight parents right to educate their children as they see fit are evil. UUs fight school choice (many UUs are government teachers or belong to government unions…hence their love of big government). Go down the list of oppressive, degenerate family killing proposals–from higher taxes to defunding the Boy Scouts of America to gay marriage–and you will find UUs in the vanguard of promoting them.

They will stroke you at UU meetings, tell you how intelligent you are for not being a sap like those Christians but what they are selling is death. Simple as that.
 
God’s peace. An atheist professor of mine joined a UU outfit in Miami because they would let him don his national clothing and perform Lithuanian folk dances there. Frankly, the BPoE has more “religious” qualifications than UU.

My impression of UU is that regardless of how “spiritual” its members are, underneath their cultured smiles is a sniggering, contemptuous disrespect for the Word of God.
A friend waggishly told me that Unitarians are atheists who just can’t kick the church habit. Blessings,
 
Br. Carlo:
A friend waggishly told me that Unitarians are atheists who just can’t kick the church habit. Blessings,
Isn’t that cute!! A friend waggishly told me that the Catholic church is the whore of Babylon! But I had the sense to think for myself.

cheddar
 
Br. Carlo:
A friend waggishly told me that Unitarians are atheists who just can’t kick the church habit.
What’s the difference between a liberal Jew and a Unitarian?
The liberal Jew nearly always has a Christmas tree.

Do UU’s ever pray?
Only when they think a Democrat is going to lose an election.

The church serves as feel-good cover for extreme left wing activism. Rev. Jim Wallis types with even less of a pretense of faith.

If you enjoy tenured professors, sociologists, psychologists and shrinks whose minds are stuck in the 1967-74 era , UU is a great place to be
 
David Paul loved your UU jokes. My atheist parents would allow us to attend a UU church where our innocent little minds would not be corrupted with all that “God Talk.”

FWIW I simply cannot wrap myself around a religion that talks about the dignity and worth of every person but staunchly approves a woman’s “right” to kill the little person inside her. These people need to get in touch with reality. Ironically many are well educated and should be conversant with basic biology. However when it comes to womens’ “rights” or homosexual “rights” biology goes out the window.

Speaking of jokes, did you hear the one about what each faith would save if the church were on fire? Catholics would save the crucifix, Protestants would save the Bible, and Unitarians would save the coffee pot.

Lisa N (a relapsed unitarian now a Catholic;) )
 
Lisa N . . . what a long strange trip we’re on, huh? You are several stations ahead of me. Most go from UU-dom into the ritual of Eastern religions to find substance which is not in UU. Have you met others who have, as you, decided to embrace our traditions and our history instead of wandering off into Asiatic mysticism?

Must have been difficult with the family. Mine was the flip side of yours. Everything was OK. I could have started speaking in tongues, handling snakes and my parents would have said, " Isn’t that nice, David finally found something which interests him and he’s sticking to it . . .we should buy him some nice cages for his snakes for his birthday"
 
I found this, may it shed some light
5 UU myths debunked

The following is an adapted excerpt from a sermon I gave entitled “Identity Crisis”. I thought it would be helpful for those exploring Unitarian Universalism to have a minister’s perspective on these very common myths about us.
  1. Myth: Unitarian Universalism is a new religion.
No. While the Unitarian and Universalist denominations merged in 1961, Unitarian Universalism is a faith tradition with roots in the Protestant reformation of the late 1500′s and theological thoughts going back to the founding days of Christianity. Unitarian and Universalism thought were profound shapers of the formation of the United States of America. Five Presidents have been either Unitarian or Unitarian influenced; Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Millard Fillmore, and William Howard Taft. Thomas Jefferson never officially joined a Unitarian church however, there is enough documentation to suggest his religious beliefs were very much aligned with Unitarian thought. John Quincy Adams was raised in his father’s Unitarian church but later joined a Congregational church as an adult. For fundamentalist Christians to claim that the founding fathers were intending a Christian nation to be developed is a weak argument given the profound influence of Unitarian theology in colonial America which was non-creedally based.

Judith Sargent Murray, wife of John Murray the founder of Universalism in America had a profound impact on the social development of this country. Her writings on education,on women’s issues, and on social concerns were ahead of her time and influenced the development of public education, the suffrage movement, and the development of modern social work.
  1. Myth: Unitarian Universalists can believe whatever they want.
Not true. Yes, we are a creedless faith just as our spiritual ancestors the Puritans did not have a creedal test for membership. But just as our Puritan ancestors did, we have covenanted together to uphold certain standards. Today we call those standards our seven principles. And while our individual theologies may differ from one another, these theologies are to support our striving to live out these seven principles. If our beliefs counter these principles, then we are challenged to examine our beliefs and explore how to bring them into alignment with these principles.
  1. Myth: Unitarian Universalists do not have a faith.
No, I have a very strong faith. My faith is not handed to me from some text book written thousands of years ago by a people who could not even imagine my life and culture. My faith is an intimate and personal relationship with my here and now. My faith is concerned with how closely I live my values now, and not on whether some hereafter judgment will allow me to enter a heavenly paradise. My faith is focused here in this life; the hereafter will take care of itself. Yes, I have a strong faith.
  1. Myth: Unitarian Universalists are wishy-washy in their values.
No. I am very firm in my values. My values are based on my ability to sift through the lessons of humanity, seeing what is moral and good. Using my intellect, my faculties of reason and experience; I weigh out the measure of what constitutes liberty, justice, and equality. My values guide me to act in certain ways to help correct societal ills. Many of us have come to conclude that one need not think alike in order to embrace others into our family. We have learned that from great diversity comes greater ideas and wisdom that can guide us in living our humanity collectively. Our values give us the basis from which we are free to explore other religious thoughts without being threatened that those thoughts might reveal a truth that contradicts our presumptions. My faith is firm in its values.
  1. Myth: Unitarian Universalism is a cult.
No. Just because someone may not understand another’s faith does not mean the other person is in a cult. There are distinct characteristics of a cult. Cults tend to be insular. Cults tend to want to separate from society. They tend to want to isolate members from those from outside the group, including their friends and family. Cults insist that their way of being and doing is the only course of action that is correct. Cults tend to discourage questioning and free thinking about their beliefs. Cults tend to have a central key figure who is charismatic and whose totalitarian authority is supreme above all others. We Unitarian Universalists want to question. We want to encourage our young people to have critical thinking skills. We want our young people to find a spiritual path that exemplifies and strengthens their values and moral convictions. We want to be engaged in society, to seek improvements for all people, of all classes, races, and sexual orientation. Our faith has been engaged with American Society since the days of King George III. We value the democratic method of governance within our congregations. No, we are not a cult. In fact, we have our seven principles that we covenant to uphold that would help prevent any of our congregations from becoming cult-like.

If you would like more information on Unitarian Universalism please check out uua.org or watch this video on youtube youtube.com/watch?v=wezp1W2HKlU

Blessings,
Rev. Fred L Hammond
 
Rev. Fred L. Hammond
If someone held a view that there is only one Truth, how would that be received by the UU? Do you believe in Truth…or truth?
Thank you
RD
 
Jaydog,

that commercial was UCC, United Church of Christ, not Unitarian Universalist. However, the sentiment could just have well have been.

Unitarian Universalists are a liberal religious organization. People of all spiritual paths are welcome there, it is a non-creedal church. So it is OK if people don’t all believe the same thing. There are seven principles which are the common ground for the members.

The church draws on religious traditions from many faiths as its teaching texts, believing that there is truth and lessons to be learned from many traditions.

It has a Christian history, Unitarian meaning not believing in the trinity, and Universalism, belief that all are saved. However, it is no longer a Christian denomination, though some individual UU churches are rather Christian in practice.

A previous poster is correct in saying that most UU’s are pro-choice and promote equality for folks of all sexual preferences. Most, but not all. It is a very diverse group. In the congregation I attend we have atheists, christians, pagans, buddhists, jews, and many other faiths all making church together.

In practice, it does what most other churches do. There is a Sunday svc, all sorts of committees, classes for all ages, community service projects, a choir, collections for charity, etc.People attend for all the same reasons they would attend any other church, spiritual growth, fellowship, wanting to congregate to better serve the community.

But basically, as far as Catholic teaching is concerned, they are all going to hell in a handbasket!

cheddar
 
Cheddar is correct except for the last sentence. The Catholic church does not teach that non-Catholics are going to hell because they are non-Catholics.

I don’t think that CAF is a good source for information on Unitarian-Universalism.

Here are some good online sources:

uua.org/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism

famous UU’s: famousuus.com/

YouTube clips: youtube.com/watch?v=15R3EFI3BJU
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UU"s tend to be well-educated and politically liberal. Most of them are converts, in proportions that reflect the make up of the general population, with mainstream Protestants first, Catholics second. A fair number of Jews are UU. Some UU’s practice or are influenced by Buddhism. Their churches tend to be very active, with lots of study and social groups, Sunday school, social activism. LIke mainstream Protestants, and especially Quakers, to join means a commitment in time and money. Therefore, they remain small ;).

They started out in the 16th c. in Central Europe as theists who didn’t believe in the Trinity, but still centered around Jesus in their worship. Current UU worship includes this, but now congregations include people of liberal or no religious beliefs who want to gather socially with people who are similar to themselves in religious, political and social beliefs. My impression is that many Protestants and Catholics currently have the same idea, and attend and support their congregations mainly as a social outlet.
 
I remember my anthropology professor always said the only absolute truth is…
there are no absolute truths.

Or as Pilate said"We both have truths are mine the same as yours?"

Now I am not the above mentioned Reverend, It was a posting I forwarded that spoke to the question far more concisely then I could.
I don’t know how liberal I am, for in truth I do have a bit of gun collection to protect my rights, but I also don’t think a man goes to “Hell” for loving another man. I know heresy, but is heresy but seeking truth?
I drifted away from the Lutheran Church, spent several decades arguing with “God” and reading everything I could from various sources both Christian and non Christian.
Somewhere between Carl Sagan and Joseph Campbell I found what I was seeking. a few years later I discovered a faith community that fit that “truth”

But the circular logic applied to God Absolute Word in the Bible fails to answer itself and so we are stuck
( for those not familiar start at the top of the following statements then start again when you reach the bottom:

Is there a God?
Yes.
How do you know?
Because the Bible says so.
How do you know the Bible is correct?
Because it was inspired by God…back to the top)

or a better example:

Theodore M. Drange gives another example of begging the question in his book Nonbelief and Evil. In his discussion on the concept of an afterlife, he distinguishes between what he calls technical death, and what he calls reducible death. “Technical death occurs when a person satisfies all the medical criteria for death but the body is not destroyed.” Reducible death “applies only to the case where the body and brain are destroyed.” Drange admits “that ‘reducible death’ does not mean ‘death without an afterlife.’ To define it that way would be question-begging, for it would make the term ‘afterlife’ self-contradictory.” In other words, to define “reducible death” as “death without an afterlife” would be to refute the notion of an afterlife without an argument. Drange proceeds to discredit the notion of an afterlife through means other than defining it away in his premise.

Any way. My initial proposition was to offer a view of what UU is in a manner that seemed viable and honest.

I do find for the most part, Catholics are far more allowing then other Christians, save a few of the Priests I’ve worked with. But that is another talk probably not suited to this forum.
 
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