Unitive,Procreation, and Pleasure??

[Made_O_fGod]

After reading a few post in this forum and the vatican website for info in sex in marriage, I notice that most people in here say that sex is for unitive and procreation and I couldn’t agree most, but I notice that some christians in other websites say that sex is for unitive, procreation, and pleasure.

I always thought that sexual pleasure was like any other pleasure in life. For example, we eat food to survive, and God gave us the gift of pleasure in food to enjoy while we are doing it. I thought that this same principle also applied to sex, but then after I heard what the other christians said, I remember something that I learned in my medical classes that I have forgotten.

The female person has an external sexual organ call the clitoris. If you search about it, you will find out that this organ was made for sexual pleasure only. I read that some religions removed the clitoris so that the woman doesnt feel any pleasure because it violates the purpose of sex in their religion. I honestly think that’s wrong.

If God gave the women an organ just for pleasure, wouldn’t that mean that pleasure is the third meaning of sex, so unitive,procreation, and pleasure would be correct??

Im not saying that we should have sex just for pleasure ,because that would be selfish, but that pleasure should also be a focus sex and seek it. Would this be correct?

I have one more question before Im done:

How much pleasure would be consider too much??

Maybe I already answer my question with this coming opinion:
I always thought that too much pleasure would be when the couples get addictive to it and that is the only reason they are having sex. They will be so addictive that they might leave their spouse only beacuse they can not be satisfy sexually. In other words, they will be commiting adultery. This my opinion about this situation.

I read articles that say that the main reason that the majority divorces in christian spouses are because of their sexual life. Those couples said that they were not satisfy enough with sex and they want it more pleasure, so they divorced, so they can look for a partner that can satisfy them in sex.

I do not know about you, but I think this is completely wrong. I think its wrong leaving your spouse just because you are not satisfy in sex and want more. Those spouses are making sex pleasures the only reason they are with someone.

I even heard some christians say that we should not seek pleasure, neither for you or your partner, because seeking for pleasure will bring us trouble.

With all this info, thats when I get confuse. If we should not seek pleasure, then why did God made the sexual organ, clitoris, in a woman for the purpose of pleasure.

What do you all think?

Please, provide me with sources from the bible. I dont want to hear what the church thinks, but what God in the bible thinks about pleasure.

Sorry if offended you with my last statement. I only follow biblical teachings, not the church’s teachings. If its not in the bible, then i dont follow it.

Thank you.

 

[1ke]

The pleasurable aspects of sex are not its purpose. For example, eating is pleasurable, but that’s not its purpose– nourishing the body is-- when that becomes the *purpose *one has crossed over to gluttony.

 

[prstoessel]

Of course sex is meant to be pleasurable. However, the pleasure received is secondary to the primary purposes of sex (unitive and procreative).

Sorry I cannot provide biblical references. Since I am Catholic, I don’t read the bible.

 

[larsenl1]

I’ve been taught that we can experience pleasure in sex. It is supposed to be pleasurable but the problem is that a lot of people choose to experience sex outside of the marriage. Sex within marriage is good, as long as the husband and wife do not view the other as an object. Seeing the person as beautiful and desiring to unite is good.

I’ve also been taught that mutilating the human body is forbidden and this would apply to the statement of certain cultures destroying a female clitoris. The Catholic Church does not support this practice. I don’t have a paragraph for your reference.

 

[SwizzleStick]

Of course sex is meant to be pleasurable. However, the pleasure received is secondary to the primary purposes of sex (unitive and procreative)…

…Sorry I cannot provide biblical references. Since I am Catholic, I don’t read the bible.

 

[Garyjohn2]

Pleasure = Unitive

I always related those things together. Pleasing each other makes two people feel closer and appreciate each other more, thereby uniting them more.

 

[SwizzleStick]

Pleasure = Unitive

I always related those things together. Pleasing each other makes two people feel closer and appreciate each other more, thereby uniting them more.

Yes, indeed. Very good response.

 

[Corki]

The female person has an external sexual organ call the clitoris. If you search about it, you will find out that this organ was made for sexual pleasure only. I read that some religions removed the clitoris so that the woman doesnt feel any pleasure because it violates the purpose of sex in their religion. I honestly think that’s wrong.

If God gave the women an organ just for pleasure, wouldn’t that mean that pleasure is the third meaning of sex, so unitive,procreation, and pleasure would be correct??

I know you are looking for Biblical proof but there is science involved here too. You have some incomplete biological information. A woman’s orgasm has been found to be positively related to conception. Biologically, pleasure on the part of both the man and the woman releases powerful chemicals in the body that enhance feelings of love and protection.

I would posit that pleasure is just a subset of the concept of unity, at least when it comes to sex.

 

[Bookcat]

Sorry I cannot provide biblical references. Since I am Catholic, I don’t read the bible.

(make sure you read the last line)

Hummm …I think you need to be versed more on the Catholic Faith

Or at least your ignorant.

For as St. Jerome and the Catholic Church says: Ignorance of Scriptures is ignorance of Christ…

Some Lenten reading for ya vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_ben-xvi_exh_20100930_verbum-domini_en.html and something to return too all year…
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Do not worry…I know you were just joking**…

 

[Bookcat]

I only follow biblical teachings, not the church’s teachings. If its not in the bible, then i dont follow it.

Hummm …then I guess you will have to not read the Bible either…

(no offense intended either…)

 

[Bookcat]

Pleasure is part of the marital act…but the two aspects are the unitive and procreative…it is subsumed in the whole…one does not aim at mere pleasure…

Well for other readers:

From the Catechism:

2362 "The acts in marriage by which the intimate and chaste union of the spouses takes place are noble and honorable; the truly human performance of these acts fosters the self-giving they signify and enriches the spouses in joy and gratitude."144 Sexuality is a source of joy and pleasure:

The Creator himself . . . established that in the [generative] function, spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and spirit. Therefore, the spouses do nothing evil in seeking this pleasure and enjoyment. They accept what the Creator has intended for them. At the same time, spouses should know how to keep themselves within the limits of just moderation.145

2363 The spouses’ union achieves the twofold end of marriage: the good of the spouses themselves and the transmission of life. These two meanings or values of marriage cannot be separated without altering the couple’s spiritual life and compromising the goods of marriage and the future of the family.
The conjugal love of man and woman thus stands under the twofold obligation of fidelity and fecundity.

 

[prstoessel]

(make sure you read the last line)

Hummm …I think you need to be versed more on the Catholic Faith

Do not worry…I know you were just joking

…Yes, I was a bit flip on my last reply. I get a little perturbed when I hear implications that Catholic teaching doesn’t have any scriptural foundation or basis.

 

[Made_O_fGod]

Thank you for all responses. Again, I am sorry if I offended anyone by saying that I want biblical proof and not church. I hope you all understand. Let’s see if I understand right. Correct me if I am wrong.The purpose of Sex( or love) is for unitive and procreation. Pleasure helps us in the unitive part by making us feel closer( intimacy) to our spouse. If pleasure becomes the primary purpose, then that will lead to Lust.

 

[prstoessel]

Thank you for all responses. Again, I am sorry if I offended anyone by saying that I want biblical proof and not church. I hope you all understand. Let’s see if I understand right. Correct me if I am wrong.The purpose of Sex( or love) is for unitive and procreation. Pleasure helps us in the unitive part by making us feel closer( intimacy) to our spouse. If pleasure becomes the primary purpose, then that will lead to Lust.

Yes.

 

[SwizzleStick]

…Sorry I cannot provide biblical references. Since I am Catholic, I don’t read the bible.

(make sure you read the last line)

Hummm …I think you need to be versed more on the Catholic Faith

Or at least your ignorant

. …

I took it as being tongue in cheek since some folks make the claim that Catholics don’t read the Bible.

 

[SwizzleStick]

Yes, I was a bit flip on my last reply. I get a little perturbed when I hear implications that Catholic teaching doesn’t have any scriptural foundation or basis.

Looks like I interpreted the intent correctly.

 

[prstoessel]

Looks like I interpreted the intent correctly.

Such is the risk, sometimes in these forums, that humor doesn’t always come through. Bookcat knows me well enough I think to know I was joking, as was indicated in the last line of the post.

 

[Bookcat]

I want biblical proof and not church.

It is important to note the Catholic Church actually decided the canon of the Bible.

The Canon of the Old Testament was not formed fully at the time our common Lord Jesus Christ walked the earth. The early Christians did not have Bibles per se …and the New Testament Canon (along with the Old) was decided by the Church in the 300’s…

The Bible is the in* errant written Word of God*. We love the Bible!

It is important to note that the New Testament was written within the Church and it was the Church that …by the authority of Christ…decided what books make up the canon of the Bible.

The Bible points to the Church that Jesus formed…and presupposes it.

Peace in our* Common Lord* and praise to him forever!

 

[Bookcat]

Such is the risk, sometimes in these forums, that humor doesn’t always come through. Bookcat knows me well enough I think to know I was joking, as was indicated in the last line of the post.

 

[Made_O_fGod]

Thank you again for the responses.

Let me clear this up. I am not talking againts the catholic church:I don’t have anything againts any church. When people ask me if I am catholic or something else, I respond to them by saying that i am Christian and nothing more. I dont go to any specific church. I go anywhere where our God is worship.

Lets get on topic now, I dont want to start an argument.Please!!!

I have another question(sorry for all these questions, Im just trying learn so I can do what is correct).

I know the bible says that we should give and not expect to receive, and that’s the way I feel. During sex in the unitive pleasure part, I dont want to seek my pleasure, but my wife’s pleasure. I dont care about my pleasure, and I really mean it. I want to give my wife great pleasure so we can bond more, so hears my question:

Is searching for ways(techniques for foreplay) to give my wife more pleasure, so we can bond more, be wrong?

I heard some christian brothers say that is wrong. Whats your opinion??