Unity candle for Convalidation?

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At least two of us have stated that the unity candle was offered to us as part of OFFICIAL church marriage prep. Those materials are approved by the dioceses.

I have heard of abuses in individual parishes, but at the diocesan level? To sanction an actual liturgical abuse? How often does that happen? Am I just naive?
 
At least two of us have stated that the unity candle was offered to us as part of OFFICIAL church marriage prep. Those materials are approved by the dioceses.

I have heard of abuses in individual parishes, but at the diocesan level? To sanction an actual liturgical abuse? How often does that happen? Am I just naive?
nobody said it was a liturgical abuse
 
The unity candle was invented on a soap opera.

This is how I explain it to the couples I meet with:

If you were driving to disneyland, having a unity candle is like getting out of the car at the sign that says “10 miles to DisneyLand”… decorating the sign, taking pictures of the sign, etc…

when you could just go right to disney land.

THE EUCHARIST IS the unity. you don’t need to symbolize it before hand.
 
The unity candle was invented on a soap opera.

This is how I explain it to the couples I meet with:

If you were driving to disneyland, having a unity candle is like getting out of the car at the sign that says “10 miles to DisneyLand”… decorating the sign, taking pictures of the sign, etc…

when you could just go right to disney land.

THE EUCHARIST IS the unity. you don’t need to symbolize it before hand.
Although I’m not in favor of the unity candle what you say to them applies any time they attend Mass and it’s unity with the world wide church, not exactly what they are looking for. THEY are the symbol of unity in the wedding ceremony.

You should also remember that in today’s reality many couples who approach the Church for marriage are not going to have a nuptial Mass since they are not both Catholic.
 
The problem with the unity candle is that it’s not really part of the Catholic wedding ceremony. It’s not the only abuse you will see commonly at weddings, though, nor the most serious.

According to the speaker I was listening to, having the father walk the bride down the aisle is probably the worst abuse we see at modern Catholic weddings.
I thought this was speaking of these things as liturgical abuses in the wedding ceremony. Usually when people use the word “abuse” around here, especially referring to things happening at Mass, they mean a liturgical abuse.

If that was not how it was meant, I apologize for the confusion.
 
I thought this was speaking of these things as liturgical abuses in the wedding ceremony. Usually when people use the word “abuse” around here, especially referring to things happening at Mass, they mean a liturgical abuse.

If that was not how it was meant, I apologize for the confusion.
I was quoting the speaker that I had heard give a talk on this subject, this past Thursday.

I assumed he meant that these were liturgical abuses. He is a well-respected priest in our Diocese; he does the liturgy planning for the big Cathedral Masses such as the Chrism Mass, all of the Ordination Masses, and other special occasions.
 
Although I’m not in favor of the unity candle what you say to them applies any time they attend Mass and it’s unity with the world wide church, not exactly what they are looking for. THEY are the symbol of unity in the wedding ceremony.

You should also remember that in today’s reality many couples who approach the Church for marriage are not going to have a nuptial Mass since they are not both Catholic.
Marriage is the icon of the ultimate unity of Christ to his Church. He comes to us, has Communion with us at the Eucharist. If folks are getting married in the Catholic church, whether they have a mass or not, they are still standing up for a EUcharistic spirituality.

The unity candle, this hallmark symbol is this union with each other, is trying to symbolize something that actually happens at the Eucharist.

I remember quite fine, thank you. I’ve played well over 200 weddings a year, already about 20 this year. Just went to C. West’s week long theology of the body class (which is amazing and I recommend everyone to it).

The fact that there are less wedding masses (which is about half and half where I am actually), should show all the more that we need more education and less of the hallmark soap opera additions to the wedding

I’ve also talked many couples out of the candle by this explanation. It works well.
 
Eucharist is bodily and spiritual unity with Christ. My husband and I each experience that separately as individuals when we take the Eucharist. Our taking the Eucharist really has nothing to do with our union with each other, except that we share the same faith and participate together in it.

Marriage is bodily and spiritual union with my husband, sanctioned and blessed by Christ’s Church. I see nothing wrong with symbols of that in a nuptial Mass, even if they had secular origins or are particular to a certain culture.
 
While not asked in the Catholic liturgy, it is asked everywhere else “Who gives this woman in marriage?”
My daughters’ weddings were celebrated by three different priests in three different states (2001, 2004, 2006). Not a one of them – and they ranged greatly in their liturgical styles – would have asked “Who gives this woman in marriage?” Definitely NOT a question asked in a Catholic liturgy.
 
Eucharist is bodily and spiritual unity with Christ. My husband and I each experience that separately as individuals when we take the Eucharist. Our taking the Eucharist really has nothing to do with our union with each other, except that we share the same faith and participate together in it.

Marriage is bodily and spiritual union with my husband, sanctioned and blessed by Christ’s Church. I see nothing wrong with symbols of that in a nuptial Mass, even if they had secular origins or are particular to a certain culture.
Actually, you become one flesh, so your communion with GOd is communion with each other, and vice versa.

See theology of the body.
 
In the course of my young career, I’ve played for roughly 50 weddings. Sadly, nearly couple has opted to have a Unity Candle at their wedding. This protestant invention (created in the vacuum left by an absence of a real and substantial liturgy), was forced upon Catholics in direct violation of the rubrics of the Missal of Paul VI (take a good, long look at the missal and the GIRM. I don’t see anything about a unity candle there…) :nope:

The music that the so-called Catholic publishing houses produced to accompany the para-liturgical action of lighting the candle is some of the worst musical garbage I have *ever *encountered.
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I think that you should opt for an authentically Catholic ceremony. You have shown great humility and bravery through your decision to have your marriage convalidated by the Church. Why not attempt to follow her liturgical laws in the best way that you can? 😃
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Actually, you become one flesh, so your communion with GOd is communion with each other, and vice versa.

See theology of the body.
Exactly. The symbol of the marital union is when the two bodies form the one flesh union in the marital act which is of course the a reflection and symbol of the intimate union we share with Christ during communion… The unity candle is pretty poor counterfeit of a symbol of marriage next to the Eucharist and the marital union.

There is a deep connection between Marriage and the Eucharist. The Eucharist is the source of Christian Marriage.

catholiceducation.org/articles/sexuality/se0096.html

Pope Benedict XVI recently remarked upon the profound bond between marriage and the Eucharist.

zenit.org/article-22593?l=english
 
I am curious about something, honestly curious.

My former parish had lots of candles. At all the statues of Saints…those candles are OK. We also have Baptismal candles…those are OK, those symbolize Christ’s light within us, but unity candles are wrong? I’m assuming that if it’s OK to light candles in honor of a saint, it would be OK to light them in honor of the sacrament of marriage. I don’t see it as something terrible or inappropriate at Mass.

Just curious, not really trying to cause controversy. 🤷
 
I am curious about something, honestly curious.

My former parish had lots of candles. At all the statues of Saints…those candles are OK. We also have Baptismal candles…those are OK, those symbolize Christ’s light within us, but unity candles are wrong? I’m assuming that if it’s OK to light candles in honor of a saint, it would be OK to light them in honor of the sacrament of marriage. I don’t see it as something terrible or inappropriate at Mass.

Just curious, not really trying to cause controversy. 🤷
Here is how it was explained to us, when my husband and I were married 9 years ago in the (Roman) Catholic church:

The “traditions” such as giving flowers to Mary, the unity candle, et cetera, are all private devotions, meant to focus on the bride or the bride and groom. They are the fruit of our culture which emphasizes the individual.

The wedding Mass is really a public celebration. It is not just about the bride and groom. It is about the community (families and friends) of the bride and groom, and everything about the sacrament of marriage is public. A bride going up to offer flowers to Mary (which wasn’t allowed in the parish where I was married) is a private devotion and “shuts out” the community. It is something that, the priest said, could and should be done privately, before the ceremony, but not during. Same goes for the unity candle, it’s about the bride and groom, and puts the focus on them rather than the community and their place in it.

Any devotions that separate the groom and bride from the community are to be discouraged. I well remember my priest telling me, “if you really want to do the Unity candle, you can, but I discourage it because it’s not part of the wedding Mass.” It’s a custom that started showing up in American culture, but has never been a part of Catholic tradition. So we opted out of that, as well as the flowers to Mary. Here is something about that custom which I found on catholicbrides.com:

Devotion to The Blessed Virgin Mary - (Tradition)

Mary, the mother of Jesus is the ultimate role model for the Catholic bride, as she will strive to mirror Mary’s perfect love for God and devotion to her family. Brides often wish to seek the guidance and blessings of The Lord, through a ceremony that requests the intercession ( to request on your behalf ) of the Blessed Virgin Mary, through prayer and the laying of flowers.

In some areas of the country this devotion will be requested to be included in the marriage ceremony and most Catholic guests will be familiar with it. In other areas of North America this addition to the ceremony is not prevalent. Devotions to The Blessed Virgin Mary have always been present in the Catholic faith, however they are not officially included in The Rite of Marriage.

The church will never discourage your personal devotions, however the wedding ceremony is seen as a time of inclusion and participation of your guests. if you are requesting to have The presentation of Flowers to Mary , carefully plan this additional portion of the ceremony.

As the ministers of your ceremony, you must strive to avoid any feeling of separation from the unity with your guests In the midst of your wedding ceremony. Including a Hymn or prayer that the entire congregation can sign or say, while you are laying your flowers, would be a way of including your guests.
For those areas of the country where this custom is not the norm, including a short explanation of this addition to your ceremony would also be helpful to both your Catholic and Non-Catholic guests.

For those who desire to have a more private act of prayer you may request a more intimate opportunity, such as before or after the wedding rehearsal. In order to permit time, this request should be made well in advance to your parish priest.
 
I think that you should opt for an authentically Catholic ceremony. You have shown great humility and bravery through your decision to have your marriage convalidated by the Church. Why not attempt to follow her liturgical laws in the best way that you can? 😃
Pardon me for asking, but just how are those of us who were given the option of a unity candle in our OFFICIAL marriage prep from the CHURCH supposed to know that it was not “authentically” Catholic? I did not know it was invented on a soap opera (which claim I am not sure I believe) or anything else about it. It was offered as part of the OFFICIAL structure of my nuptial Mass, so I accepted it.

It seems, at worst, this thing is an inoffensive, brief, and essentially meaningless detour. Yet it does have some beauty and meaning for some people. If the church allows it or even offers it, then what is the problem? How does it damage the liturgy? How does it damage the sacrament? If every guest at the wedding watches you lighting the candle and listens to the music playing while you do it, it’s not exclusionary nor is it excessively private. And how is it different from other cultural accommodations?
 
Pardon me for asking, but just how are those of us who were given the option of a unity candle in our OFFICIAL marriage prep from the CHURCH supposed to know that it was not “authentically” Catholic? I did not know it was invented on a soap opera (which claim I am not sure I believe) or anything else about it. It was offered as part of the OFFICIAL structure of my nuptial Mass, so I accepted it.

It seems, at worst, this thing is an inoffensive, brief, and essentially meaningless detour. Yet it does have some beauty and meaning for some people. If the church allows it or even offers it, then what is the problem? How does it damage the liturgy? How does it damage the sacrament? If every guest at the wedding watches you lighting the candle and listens to the music playing while you do it, it’s not exclusionary nor is it excessively private.
IMO, many Catholic churches offer the Unity candle or other customs out of deference to local/ethnic customs or parishioner expectations. However, adhering to such customs will just perpetuate the misperception–in guests or participants–that such customs are traditionally Catholic.

It is not that it damages the sacrament, or invalidates it. But it is not traditional, and if one is interested in a completely traditional Catholic ceremony, one will do the research and plan the ceremony with that in mind. The Unity candle and flowers for Mary are frills–nothing more, nothing less–and should be treated as such. They aren’t essential.
 
I knew that the unity candle was an option that some frowned upon but I thought it was a custom that symbolized the coming together of the bride’s and the groom’s families. Anyone else have this understanding?
 
I knew that the unity candle was an option that some frowned upon but I thought it was a custom that symbolized the coming together of the bride’s and the groom’s families. Anyone else have this understanding?
Which really is silly since they may never even see each other again. I was told that it was about two becoming one and in some cases both parties snuff their individual candles and leave only the big one burning. That too is problematic since you may become ‘one flesh’ but you still remain very much two totally different beings. Any belief to the contrary is bound to lead to disappointment when you find that no, you aren’t attached at the hip and she/he very much wants to do things on his/her own.

They’ve now come up with a variation, the ‘unity sand’.
 
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