Unity in the Eucharist?

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To Anna and others who want to answer.

The Church states that the Catholic Church (and those in communion w/Rome) and The Orthodox Church have a valid Eucharist. All other Eucharists are invalid. Soooooo lol

How can there be unity in the Eucharist if many denominations have an invalid Eucharist?

Some Protestant denominations flat out deny the RP in the host. 🤷
Just because they may have a different understanding doesn’t mean there can’t be a sense of unity. This extract from the Archbishop of Westminster explains the balance and the principle beautifully:

rcdow.org.uk/ecumenism/default.asp?library_ref=34&content_ref=2325

*As the Mass is essential to the formation of our ecumenical outlook as Catholics, we should not be fearful of welcoming our brothers and sisters in other traditions to the liturgy which is the heart of our own life as their fellow Christian disciples. As our Bishops’ Conference writes:

The liturgy can make a positive contribution to the unity of Christians, because the liturgy both celebrates unity and furthers it. This is true above all of the Eucharist, so it is vital that Mass be celebrated well, to give the faithful the best opportunity to be drawn into closer unity with God and with each other. (The Search for Christian Unity IIIA)

Nor should Catholics feel out of place by attending the Eucharistic celebrations of other Christian churches. Indeed, the Holy Father, Pope Benedict, has encouraged us all to attend the Eucharistic celebrations of other churches and church communities so that we may understand better, pray with them on occasion that is most sacred to them, and to foster the desire for full communion in the Church at the Eucharist according to the Lord’s command.

For, especially when unable to share sacramentally, we can learn a great deal spiritually, be united in reverence, and share devout prayer for unity beyond our present separation. We should allow each other an assured place on such occasions and recall that the Prayer for Peace immediately preceding the Catholic Rite of Communion asks the Lord to “look not on our sins, but on the faith of your Church, and grant us the peace and unity of your Kingdom.”

While it is not possible for Catholic clergy to concelebrate the Eucharist with other Christian ministers, or for Catholics to receive the eucharistic sacrament in any tradition other than the Orthodox (in exceptional circumstances), this does not indicate the absence of respect and recognition. It acknowledges that, while we are already in real communion because of our common baptism, and while other traditions’ celebrations “are able to nourish the life of grace and provide access to the communion of salvation” (Decree on Ecumenism 4), we are not yet in full communion because of differences of faith and understanding that our ecumenical journey of faith sharing works hard to resolve.

Pope John Paul, now followed by Pope Benedict, have urged us to nurture a ‘spirituality of communion’, not just a spirituality of ecumenism, expressly to encourage not just closeness and affinity but unity in the Eucharist. So the Catholic Church is determined to follow the way that leads to the restoration of the fullest communion between all Christians, their churches and church communities, and the visible re-integration in unity of the one Church of Jesus Christ.

Not being able to receive the Eucharist on occasions when Christians of different traditions and Catholics are together for worship is very painful, but the pain of separation is one that unites us. It also powerfully witnesses to our commitment, arising from that of the Lord himself, to reconciliation and full visible communion. And so the Eucharist of other traditions at which we cannot receive, and the Mass where we cannot invite our brother and sisters to share with us the Body and Blood of Christ, are each powerful gifts from God to pray ever more insistently the prayer of Christ our High Priest in the Garden of Gethsemane, shortly after he instituted the Eucharist on the night before he died: ‘Father, may they be one, as you are in me and I in you, so that the world may believe’ (John 17:21).

The Holy Father Pope Benedict, like Pope John Paul before him, have encouraged Catholics to attend and become familiar with the Eucharistic celebrations of other Christian communities, to understand their belief, devotion and Eucharistic spirituality on the journey to ecclesial unity and full communion.*
 
Just because they may have a different understanding doesn’t mean there can’t be a sense of unity.
Nice article. Thanks for sharing.

The Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist is the supreme expression of unity and not a means towards unity. When the Apostle Paul encouraged the Ephesians to keep the unity of the Spirit and the bond of peace, he went on to remind them: “There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism.” [Ephes. 4:4-5]

Given this understanding of the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist, in false ecumenism, there can only be Eucharistic Communion. There cannot be true “inter-communion” because the term “inter-communion” in conjunction with a practice that opposes true “inter-communion” is a contradiction. To share the common cup while still maintaining fundamental differences in faith, order and ministry does not make sense because it violates a major element of the meaning and significant of the Eucharist.

“Catholic ministers may lawfully administer the sacraments only to Catholic members of Christ’s faithful, who equally may lawfully receive them only from Catholic ministers.” [Canon # 844.1]

So would we have a unity in the spirit of the Eucharist, in that we all desire to share in that mystery? 🤷
 
To Anna and others who want to answer.

The Church states that the Catholic Church (and those in communion w/Rome) and The Orthodox Church have a valid Eucharist. All other Eucharists are invalid. Soooooo lol

How can there be unity in the Eucharist if many denominations have an invalid Eucharist?

Some Protestant denominations flat out deny the RP in the host. 🤷
aidanbradypop,

I am aware of the “invalid” Holy Orders issue. Catholics are bound by Apostolicae Curae, Promulgated September 18, 1896 by Pope Leo XIII and must believe that Anglican orders are invalid. Of course, Anglicans disagree. This has been discussed many times on CAF in numerous threads.

As for Protestants who flatly deny the RP; I wish more would weigh in on this discussion. I think discussions such as these can do a great deal in fostering understanding of the beliefs of those outside one’s own Church.

Anna
 
aidanbradypop,

I am aware of the “invalid” Holy Orders issue. Catholics are bound by Apostolicae Curae, Promulgated September 18, 1896 by Pope Leo XIII and must believe that Anglican orders are invalid. Of course, Anglicans disagree. This has been discussed many times on CAF in numerous threads.

As for Protestants who flatly deny the RP; I wish more would weigh in on this discussion. I think discussions such as these can do a great deal in fostering understanding of the beliefs of those outside one’s own Church.

Anna
I’m sure it has and we can spare everyone on this thread that dialogue lol

I believe that the unity in the Eucharist has to start with those who deny the RP. Not to ignore Anglicans and Lutherans, but I believe educating those who deny the RP should be the first step in trying to bring about unity! 👍
 
. . . “Catholic ministers may lawfully administer the sacraments only to Catholic members of Christ’s faithful, who equally may lawfully receive them only from Catholic ministers.” [Canon # 844.1]. . . .
And yet, there are Catholic visitors who do receive Communion in our Anglo Catholic Episcopal Parish. 😃

In CAF’s Ask an Apologist forum; Catholics are told it is a serious sin to receive Communion in an Episcopal Church: See this post by Catholic Answers Apologist, Fr. Vincent Serpa.

Anna
 
I’m sure it has and we can spare everyone on this thread that dialogue lol
Indeed.
I believe that the unity in the Eucharist has to start with those who deny the RP. Not to ignore Anglicans and Lutherans, but I believe educating those who deny the RP should be the first step in trying to bring about unity! 👍
I couldn’t agree more; and SteveVH is also hoping for a response from those who deny the Real Presence. So far, you are stuck with chatty Anglicans. 😃

Anna
 
I couldn’t agree more; and SteveVH is also hoping for a response from those who deny the Real Presence. So far, you are stuck with chatty Anglicans. 😃

Anna
That’s usually the only non Catholics besides Lutherans that respond. I would suggect going to CARM and ask the question but I am banned from there. lol
OTOH, it does pad my post total. But I’m more than willing to forgo that.

GKC
I think we all are. 😉 We can just do this :banghead: and save us all some time lol
 
Ummmmm, IMHO…yes. By simply seeing it as a memorial or symbolic,
We have to be fair though - read #7 again.

" but spiritually present to the faith of believers in that ordinance, as the elements themselves are to their outward senses."

They’re rejecting the idea that the body and blood are in this material world without rejecting what the body and blood are doing with their spirit.

As a Lutheran, I would expect that if I examined the Eucharist under a scanning tunneling microscope, I would not find a change, so in a way the True Body and Blood is in there in a way I can not fathom. So I can’t get too angry when other faith traditions have an explanation. Because it’s a mystery of faith.

So I think we have to be fair, that their understanding is different - but it’s not like they’re having a mid-service remembrance snack either.

Frankly, if Lutherans could offer anything to the table of Unity in Christ, I would say it would be the ability to leave the Eucharist as a Mystery. I think we share this with our Orthodox friends as well.
 
That’s usually the only non Catholics besides Lutherans that respond. I would suggect going to CARM and ask the question but I am banned from there. lol

I think we all are. 😉 We can just do this :banghead: and save us all some time lol
:tsktsk: 😉
 
We have to be fair though - read #7 again.

" but spiritually present to the faith of believers in that ordinance, as the elements themselves are to their outward senses."

They’re rejecting the idea that the body and blood are in this material world without rejecting what the body and blood are doing with their spirit.

As a Lutheran, I would expect that if I examined the Eucharist under a scanning tunneling microscope, I would not find a change, so in a way the True Body and Blood is in there in a way I can not fathom. So I can’t get too angry when other faith traditions have an explanation. Because it’s a mystery of faith.

So I think we have to be fair, that their understanding is different - but it’s not like they’re having a mid-service remembrance snack either.

Frankly, if Lutherans could offer anything to the table of Unity in Christ, I would say it would be the ability to leave the Eucharist as a Mystery. I think we share this with our Orthodox friends as well.
I was lazy…lol…but I went back to 7 again lol

Honestly, I am just fine with the Lutheran and Anglican view of the Eucharist. Of course it is not my belief, but I respect that Lutherans and Anglicans accept some form of the RP. I would hope and pray some denominations to do not see it as a quarterly snack 😉 but coming from a Southern Baptist background, they believe one can go their whole life without ever taking it. Some Baptist congregations I have been to have actually made it once a year on a Wed night. 🤷 Those are the ones that we should educate on the Eucharist. Agree?
 
We have to be fair though - read #7 again.

" but spiritually present to the faith of believers in that ordinance, as the elements themselves are to their outward senses."

They’re rejecting the idea that the body and blood are in this material world without rejecting what the body and blood are doing with their spirit.

As a Lutheran, I would expect that if I examined the Eucharist under a scanning tunneling microscope, I would not find a change, so in a way the True Body and Blood is in there in a way I can not fathom. So I can’t get too angry when other faith traditions have an explanation. Because it’s a mystery of faith.

So I think we have to be fair, that their understanding is different - but it’s not like they’re having a mid-service remembrance snack either.
👍
Frankly, if Lutherans could offer anything to the table of Unity in Christ, I would say it would be the ability to leave the Eucharist as a Mystery. I think we share this with our Orthodox friends as well.
And many Anglicans.

Anna
 
I was lazy…lol…but I went back to 7 again lol

Honestly, I am just fine with the Lutheran and Anglican view of the Eucharist. Of course it is not my belief, but I respect that Lutherans and Anglicans accept some form of the RP. I would hope and pray some denominations to do not see it as a quarterly snack 😉 but coming from a Southern Baptist background, they believe one can go their whole life without ever taking it. Some Baptist congregations I have been to have actually made it once a year on a Wed night. 🤷 Those are the ones that we should educate on the Eucharist. Agree?
As a former Southern Baptist myself, I think that would be a good idea.

GKC
 
GKC,

There seems to be a lot of us—former Southern Baptists.

Anna
I read somewhere that Baptist are the second highest converts to Catholicism. Anglicans being number 1. You are on the correct path. 👍 :hmmm::yup::rotfl:

UNITY…UNITY…UNITY
 
I think I’m confused on what you mean by “rejecting the Eucharist.” Having spent many years in each of two non-liturgical churches, Presbyterian and Baptist (the two churches my parents attended when I was a child), I know that they regularly hold the Lord’s Supper and do so with due reverence, honor, and respect in fulfilling a commandment given by Christ. Chapter XXIX of the Westminster Confession of Faith gives their understanding and practice of this ordinance. Other than the Salvation Army, I can’t think of a group that rejects the practice of observing it. What kind of churches, or what kind of rejection, did you have in mind?
The rejection of the true presence of Christ; body, blood, soul and divinity. This was the belief of the Church always, since the beginning. That belief; that doctrine, has been rejected. What we are left with are doctrines unrecognizable by the Church Christ founded, from whence we received the Apostolic teachings.
 
The rejection of the true presence of Christ; body, blood, soul and divinity. This was the belief of the Church always, since the beginning. That belief; that doctrine, has been rejected. What we are left with are doctrines unrecognizable by the Church Christ founded, from whence we received the Apostolic teachings.
Actually if you read books about Eucharistic origins, they are consistent in saying that the concept of the real presence wasn’t at all the belief from the begining. This view actually became prevalent from the fourth century onwards. There was certainly an incremental development to the Eucharistic prayers - and no unity in the Western Church.
 
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