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pathia
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No. We checked every hospital MRI group in the state. Any farther would have involved a drive of 10+ hours and I don’t own a car, nor do my friends or roommates.
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SFTor
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The beauty of a free market is that you have providers and INFORMED customers. This is not the case in health care. You don’t know what illness will befall you in the future. And when you need care, you just need it, whether you are rich poor, or in between.I suggest you shop around. I got an MRI same day as my injury.
The beauty of a free market is you can do that.
Rich kids get the care they need, poor kids don’t. The beauty of the free market.
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SFTor
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Deciding how to handle medical care for people in their last stages of life is a medical decision. Doctors will often stop aggressive treatment and put patients on palliative care instead. It’s part of being a doctor. Please do not suggest that a “government official” would do it.Thats not rationing. That is people (doctors, hospitals workers, medical manufacturing plant workers, etc.) refusing to provide a service or good for free or less than it costs to produce it.
Are MediCare and MedicAid fixed?
So you want to decide how much each person will get in their last six months of life? Tell me exactly how are you going to determine when that six months starts? Why do you (or some government official get to decide)? If someone has the money to spend in their last six months of life are they not allowed to spend it on themselves?
You actually contribute to my point that it is the economics of the situation that cause the problems rather that the fact that the system is broken.
If people want to spend money on themselves during the last six months of their lives that is of course their own business.
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orionsbelt
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There appears to be a tremendous unsatisfied demand in your area. An entreprenurial dream opportunity. Perhaps you should look into investing in a local MRI service. You can provide a much needed service and make a fair profit at the same time.No. We checked every hospital MRI group in the state. Any farther would have involved a drive of 10+ hours and I don’t own a car, nor do my friends or roommates.
A warning though. You may encounter an overwhelming amount of government regulation that limits the viability.
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pathia
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I currently have an income of zero, and I owe four hundred thousand dollars in medical debt, one hundred thousand in college education debt.There appears to be a tremendous unsatisfied demand in your area. An entreprenurial dream opportunity. Perhaps you should look into investing in a local MRI service. You can provide a much needed service and make a fair profit at the same time.
A warning though. You may encounter an overwhelming amount of government regulation that limits the viability.
I bet people will just be TRIPPING over themselves to finance this idea for me.
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orionsbelt
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Is the doctor going to consider the economic cost? If not, who’s going to pay for it.Deciding how to handle medical care for people in their last stages of life is a medical decision. Doctors will often stop aggressive treatment and put patients on palliative care instead. It’s part of being a doctor. Please do not suggest that a “government official” would do it.
If people want to spend money on themselves during the last sixx months of their lives that is of course their own business.
If yes then you have a situation where the person getting paid is the same person deciding whether it should be done? Any potential for conflict of interest?
UHC only works if you ration or reduce the cost of delivery. How does this reduce the cost of delivery?
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SFTor
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Are you for real?There appears to be a tremendous unsatisfied demand in your area. An entreprenurial dream opportunity. Perhaps you should look into investing in a local MRI service. You can provide a much needed service and make a fair profit at the same time.
A warning though. You may encounter an overwhelming amount of government regulation that limits the viability.
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SFTor
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OK, Orionsbelt, let me explain this to you:Is the doctor going to consider the economic cost? If not, who’s going to pay for it.
If yes then you have a situation where the person getting paid is the same person deciding whether it should be done? Any potential for conflict of interest?
UHC only works if you ration or reduce the cost of delivery. How does this reduce the cost of delivery?
aggressive treatment is expensive. Palliative care is cheap.
Don’t know what palliative care means? It is care that is extended to make a patient comfortable, without attempting to treat the illness a patient may have. It is for instance used with end-stage cancer patients.
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orionsbelt
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But you still got an MRI.I currently have an income of zero, and I owe four hundred thousand dollars in medical debt, one hundred thousand in college education debt.
I bet people will just be TRIPPING over themselves to finance this idea for me.
I have to wonder why no one is tripping over the idea of funding this huge economic opportunity on their own. My guess it is restrictive governmwnt regulation that would only get worse with UHC.
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orionsbelt
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It may be cheap but someone still has to pay for it Who.OK, Orionsbelt, let me explain this to you:
aggressive treatment is expensive. Palliative care is cheap.
Don’t know what palliative care means? It is care that is extended to make a patient comfortable, without attempting to treat the illness a patient may have. It is for instance used with end-stage cancer patients.
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SFTor
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Us.It may be cheap but someone still has to pay for it Who.
The good news is that if we are half as good as anyone else it will still be less than we are paying today, as a nation.
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BamaRider
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I spent the afternoon goofing off so I got behind on the posts.
Poverry in Alabama was a question, and my response is a guy has to work pretty hard to be poor in this state. I can walk out th door and find a job 10 dollar a hour job in 15 min, as can most any able bodied guy that can pass a drug test, and background check, I’m not much in the mood to hear about somebody trying to make a living off the govt, he needs to get a job and quit complaining.
The number 50 million uninsured is put out by Tor. Now go back and weed out all the millions who have boats, cable tv, 2 cars, big house, land, but NO health insurance. I’m gonna say 70% of that number has their priorities messed up, but we’ll never know for sure, because libs don’'t like that number getting out.
UHC is a loss freedom and bad for the country as a whole. Will some benefit? No doubt, at the coercion of the rest of us.
Poverry in Alabama was a question, and my response is a guy has to work pretty hard to be poor in this state. I can walk out th door and find a job 10 dollar a hour job in 15 min, as can most any able bodied guy that can pass a drug test, and background check, I’m not much in the mood to hear about somebody trying to make a living off the govt, he needs to get a job and quit complaining.
The number 50 million uninsured is put out by Tor. Now go back and weed out all the millions who have boats, cable tv, 2 cars, big house, land, but NO health insurance. I’m gonna say 70% of that number has their priorities messed up, but we’ll never know for sure, because libs don’'t like that number getting out.
UHC is a loss freedom and bad for the country as a whole. Will some benefit? No doubt, at the coercion of the rest of us.
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orionsbelt
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Yes.Are you for real?
I was making a point that in a free market Capital flows to where there is a demand.
In a socialist system (Universal Health Care).Capital flows to where a government official/politician/commitee chooses.
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orionsbelt
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Poor kids get care too. It just bankrupts their parents.The beauty of a free market is that you have providers and INFORMED customers. This is not the case in health care. You don’t know what illness will befall you in the future. And when you need care, you just need it, whether you are rich poor, or in between.
Rich kids get the care they need, poor kids don’t. The beauty of the free market.
Unless you are willing to pay for their healthcare.
Again. We are challenged by our faith to help other (Charity) not force other to do something thru an inefficient mechanism (UHC)
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SFTor
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orionsbelt:Yes.
I was making a point that in a free market Capital flows to where there is a demand.
In a socialist system (Universal Health Care).Capital flows to where a government official/politician/commitee chooses.
Do you consider Japan a socialist country? How about England?
Socialist?
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wildleafblower
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As an American citizen I’m not a fan of Universal Health Care for several reasons:
- I was the only person at the bedside of a dear friend that was in the Palliative and End-of-Life Care of a hospital in Canada. He had a heart attack and they never gave him a MRI. During my three days there at his bedside, which I spent on an average of 18 hours a day, I did not see other visitors within that 15 patient room. All I did was pray and say the rosary. I got the sense that family and friends of those in there didn’t care about their loved ones. I was shocked and saddened by that fact though deeply grateful for having been there. I’m positive my dear friend was aware of my presence though unable to speak. After his death in that hospital, I immediately returned home teary eyed and heartbroken.
- On a recent visit to New Mexico I met a young couple from Florida who had moved from Europe. He was a doctor and she a nurse. They moved to the U.S. to get away from their country’s Universal Health Care system. One reason was that they made a lot more money in the U.S. and had longer periods of time for their children.
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orionsbelt
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Hmmm. What makes you think I’m not?I think everyone in this country can be grateful to know that Orionsbelt is not in charge of setting up the government.
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pathia
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I don’t own a car. I don’t own a house. I don’t own a TV. I don’t have cable. The computer I use was built from ancient out of warranty discarded computers at my last job. The internet access comes with the apartment as part of rent. I don’t subscribe to any magazines, websites, nothing at all. My only costs are food, rent and medical bills. For months at a time in the past few years it was just food and medical bills, I was homeless.The number 50 million uninsured is put out by Tor. Now go back and weed out all the millions who have boats, cable tv, 2 cars, big house, land, but NO health insurance. I’m gonna say 70% of that number has their priorities messed up, but we’ll never know for sure, because libs don’'t like that number getting out.
UHC is a loss freedom and bad for the country as a whole. Will some benefit? No doubt, at the coercion of the rest of us.
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orionsbelt
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Socialism - Government control of production (in this case delivery of health service). Most UHC is a form of socialism.orionsbelt:
Do you consider Japan a socialist country? How about England?
Socialist?
Look at it as a continuim from free market to socialist. And look at overall econimic systems as well as specific industries within those systems.
England is towards socialsim on many things. Overall farther than Japan but not as far as Cuba.
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SFTor
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orionsbelt:Poor kids get care too. It just bankrupts their parents.
Unless you are willing to pay for their healthcare.
Again. We are challenged by our faith to help other (Charity) not force other to do something thru an inefficient mechanism (UHC)
Are you familiar with Marie Antoinette? The one who said “let them eat cake?”
You are starting to sound more and more like her. Are you sure that is a good thing?
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Tor
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