Vern’s statement was that people should have to pay what they can afford-
well, like you said before, if they can’t pay then the whole system falls apart. At least, that was your rationale for why the government needs to pay.
In a voluntary society, if you want to pay for a war, you are free to do so.
Exactly-
And you just repeat the same old rhetoric over and over again. Well guess what-it doesn’t work? It is apparent to me that the systme is going to collpase no matter what direction we go in. And if we continue in yours the rich will get richer and the disabled will be left behind to be poorer and poorer. Oh that’s right, that’s because they don’t work hard enough.
Another false accusation.No, it comes down to an understanding of the difference between basic human rights, basic human responsibilities, and how government programs like socialized medicine are a violation of both.
I never said they don’t work hard enough. I said they were sick, and poor, and deserving of our concern and charity.And you just repeat the same old rhetoric over and over again. Well guess what-it doesn’t work? It is apparent to me that the systme is going to collpase no matter what direction we go in. And if we continue in yours the rich will get richer and the disabled will be left behind to be poorer and poorer. Oh that’s right, that’s because they don’t work hard enough.
Then why can’t this charity everyone here talks about begin by the hospitals writing off the debts of those who can’t afford them? I see everyone talking about charity but I haven’t seen the socalled charitable solutions. Always the same old “work harder”. Well I work hard and for you to say I don’t is a bold faced lie.
Sorry Vern keeps making those ridiculous accusations. Apparently everyone has to meet his standards or they don’t work hard.
So, you want the freedom to choose to spend your tax dollars on health insurance?
People don’t think that healthcare is a charity in need of their support precisely because they believe the government either is or should be managing it.
Even if the government didn’t manage it I seriously doubt whether a hospital would write off someone’s bill. They would send it to a collections agency until it gets paid.
yes, that is probably true of some hospitals.
And hospitals write off bills and portions of bills RIGHT NOW-it happens all the time
There are people here who would hate it if the government took as little as $15 out of their weekly pay cheque earmarked for health spending. Even if it was simply subsidising private treatement - not ‘socialized’ healthcare - they would still resent it, because the outcome does not matter, only that what’s mine remains mine - and I’ll give on my terms.
That help will depend on whether people feel like consistently donating part of their incomes away. It has to be consistent and it has to be enough to make sure everyone who cannot pay gets treatment. Dread to think what would happen in a recession.
I agree.
Free will was given to us by God. I like allowing people to excercise it.
And people can take visits to the ER on the hospital’s bill for the common cold. And doctors can choose not to see Medicaid patients because the government pays significantly less. They don’t have a fundamental right to do any of these things, they are just a product of how society works. We permit big businesses to thrive, not because they have a right to, but because they are the heart of the economy and can sell products more cheaply and efficiently.
I’m not surprised.
Jim, his repetition is in response to you repeating the same old rhetoric over and over again.And you just repeat the same old rhetoric over and over again. Well guess what-it doesn’t work? It is apparent to me that the systme is going to collpase no matter what direction we go in. And if we continue in yours the rich will get richer and the disabled will be left behind to be poorer and poorer. Oh that’s right, that’s because they don’t work hard enough.
