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vern_humphrey
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Name them.
You’ve made the accusation, now back it up.
Once again, you’re arguing with your own mis-applied ideas.
It’s the old, "You think . . . " ploy.
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You’ve made the accusation, now back it up.
It’s the old, "You think . . . " ploy.
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goofyjim
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When will you stop your false accusation that I don’t work hard. You don’t know me.Jim, his repetition is in response to you repeating the same old rhetoric over and over again.
You keep advancing the same arguments, you have to expect to get the same rebuttals.
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Verisimilitude
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Me.
First thing is the federal government owns nothing that is not already owned by ‘the People’. The government has no resources. It does not own the oil off the coast or in the mountains. It doesn’t own the sun and wind used to create alternative energy. The US Navy ships are owned by the People, held in trust and used by the military for the common defense. It does not own the waterways, the land highways are built on, or the national parks- nothing. Because it has nothing it has nothing to give to others without taking it from someone first. It is a simple concept. Governments own nothing. We, the People do and contrary to popular belief the People is not the government, but is made up by a representative and elected group of people. The government has limitations and guidlines as prescribed by our law to protect the People.
Second thing is the false idea that the government is mandated to provide services for all the People in the form of healthcare, welfare, employment, housing, transportation, or food is just that- a false idea. Don’t think this position lacks compassion. It doesn’t. It is just the simple truth. The governmet has no resoiurces and also has no compassion because it is an entity not a person. Stop looking to the governemnt for help.
Social Security was an agreement with the People by our government. A value was to be deducted from our income and the money was to be a common fund for very specific things. The government has broken its promise to the People.
The government is a broker. It takes resources it does not have from those who do and redistributes it to those who need it, or for some great collective goal- or at least that is the idea. Whole generations have been brought up to believe the government is something we must believe and accept and trust without question. The Founders would be horrified with such a notion.
What is funny in a sad sort of way is the many arguments I have read here. Vern argues that the people are responsible for themselves and should not look to government for handouts whether deserved or not, yet he won’t even discuss the billions forced from the People for a unjust and unwise foreign policy.
Cynic argues for the compassion of needy and wants to force more from the Peoples pocket without accounting for the billions already are out there for just such a purpose.
I , and probably most people that have some means are not opposed to helping others that do not have the means, even by way of a tax as it were but I challange anyone to say they trust the federal government with their money to spend it wisely and for the intended purpose. An endless stream of examples of watsed and inappropriate use of tax payer funds could be found in things from NASA to the military, to other things.
No, I’m not willing to give the federal government $15 more.
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Caesar517
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Good post, Verisimilitude. 
I’m not in favor of helping anyone through government programs, however, regardless of their capacity to work (or lack thereof). I agree that some people really need help, and I’m all in favor of helping them. I just don’t want the government involved because I don’t trust the government with my money.
I’m not in favor of helping anyone through government programs, however, regardless of their capacity to work (or lack thereof). I agree that some people really need help, and I’m all in favor of helping them. I just don’t want the government involved because I don’t trust the government with my money.
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goofyjim
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I don’t have the capacity to work full time. Can you recommend a charity to pay my rent when these government programs are taken away?Good post, Verisimilitude.
I’m not in favor of helping anyone through government programs, however, regardless of their capacity to work (or lack thereof). I agree that some people really need help, and I’m all in favor of helping them. I just don’t want the government involved because I don’t trust the government with my money.
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Caesar517
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The first thing to do may be do live in a smaller house so as to reduce your rent. Cut expenses where you can.
You could recieve aid from family & friends.
A cursory google search yielded this website to search for charities in the US.
You could ask for help at a Catholic Church.
Many people and organizations will assist in providing basic necessities in exchange for volunteer time.
Of course, you should also post in the prayer requests forum. Many many people will gladly pray that you will recieve aid in making ends meet.
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goofyjim
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Um that’s great for the other recommendations but I don’t live in a house and my apartment can’t get any smaller unless you suggest I move away from the 2 bedroom I share now and rent a single room. Would be foolish.The first thing to do may be do live in a smaller house so as to reduce your rent. Cut expenses where you can.
You could recieve aid from family & friends.
A cursory google search yielded this website to search for charities in the US.
You could ask for help at a Catholic Church.
Many people and organizations will assist in providing basic necessities in exchange for volunteer time.
Of course, you should also post in the prayer requests forum. Many many people will gladly pray that you will recieve aid in making ends meet.
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Caesar517
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Then your housing situtation is all set, just one less thing on your to-do list.
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Verisimilitude
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How about your local parish? Family, friends and those who love and what to help you? If you have a particular medical issue there are often private groups that collect funds from private individuals to help those afflicted with such conditions.
To fund those government programs money is not just taken from those who have excess, but from people just like you who do not have the resources to give if they wanted to.
I’m curious if you think asking those close to you (parish, friends, family…) for money and help is harder or more distatstefull than relying on the governemnt to take the money from strangers to help you.
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goofyjim
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I still can’t believe that there is enough charity to pay for medical expenses and homes and clothing an food for those who don’t have the ability to earn these. So there needs to be a safety net in place to prevent these from happening. Of course we could just let people go homeless and then arrest them for being that way. Don’t laugh. It happens.
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goofyjim
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They have their own families to take care of as well. Look there is no easy solution. The money is going to have to come from somewhere to prevent people who have disabilities from falling through the cracks. If everyone is really ready to step the donations to make up for the missing government programs then fine. If not then, yes, it would have to be taken care of by the government the same way as police, fire, and road construction is.
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Verisimilitude
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“Historically, religion always represented a threat to government because it competes for the loyalties of the people. In modern America, however, most religious institutions abandoned their independence long ago, and now serve as cheerleaders for state policies like social services, faith-based welfare, and military aggression in the name of democracy. Few American churches challenge state actions at all, provided their tax-exempt status is maintained. This is why Washington politicians ostensibly celebrate religion-- it no longer threatens their supremacy. Government has co-opted religion and family as the primary organizing principle of our society. The federal government is boss, and everybody knows it.”
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Verisimilitude
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The police and fire and roads are paid by use and other taxes, not income or payroll taxes.
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Caesar517
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I have more faith in the good will of society than you do, I think. I accept the certainty that not all poor will be adequately provided for, but I think it is God’s job to punish those who do not assist, not our job to force them to.
The industries you list cannot be privitized and those are legitimate roles of the government as laid out in the constitution.
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goofyjim
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And the social security disability I get as income was funded by my payroll taxes and noone else’s. It’s an insurance program for those who don’t have it on the job. Therefore it shouldn’t be taken away. The same can be said for medicare which is funded through my own payroll tax and medicaid is paid for by a premium I pay to the state. How am I not paying my way?
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seremina
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Universal Health Insurance is an interesting and wonderful idea. I hope its priced low, so that its accessible to all. Like say $5 a month. I would also hope it has tons of choices. Like homeopathy, naturopathy, herbalism, Native American medicine [not voo doo], natural remedies, midwifery, etc. Allopathic [known as “normal” medicine if you want simple English] medicine just never works for me and I am tired of seeing insurances not offer them any coverage.
I know the Knights of Columbus offer Life Insurance. Maybe they could offer Universal Health Insurance?
I know the Knights of Columbus offer Life Insurance. Maybe they could offer Universal Health Insurance?
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Caesar517
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All taxes that the government collects go into a myriad of secret underground pipes and when they come out, no one knows what money came from where or where it belongs.
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goofyjim
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That would be a nice idea but it’s my understanding it is only offered to Knights and their families. If I am wrong then maybe they should off health insurance to the public.
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Caesar517
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The net cost of healthcare must still be paid. If you only pay $5 a month for it, you can only recieve $5 a month worth of medical care. There is no magical source of extra money. The taxes necessary to support everyone’s medical procedures would be enormous. The cost of the procedure will only increase.
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goofyjim
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Then I’ll call the government tomorrow to stop my check and go to my parish to request my rent be paid.All taxes that the government collects go into a myriad of secret underground pipes and when they come out, no one knows what money came from where or where it belongs.
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