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I have a relative that is contemplating attending the University of Dayton. She is 19. I will be going with her on a campus tour, on Nov 22. We are driving down from Metro Detroit.

Any comments on the college in general?

Any suggestions on what to see once we are there?

Is it too far to drive and return to Detroit in the same day? MapQuest states that it is a 3 1/2 hour drive, but I was wondering if anyone here has actually made the drive.
 
I have a relative that is contemplating attending the University of Dayton. She is 19. I will be going with her on a campus tour, on Nov 22. We are driving down from Metro Detroit.

Any comments on the college in general?

Any suggestions on what to see once we are there?

Is it too far to drive and return to Detroit in the same day? MapQuest states that it is a 3 1/2 hour drive, but I was wondering if anyone here has actually made the drive.
a non-descript semi-catholic midwestern university

they don’t reject anybody with a HS ddegree; if you can beg borrow or steal the tuition, you’ll be admitted…
 
Yes, you can drive downand back in the same day but be aware that construction on I75 could cause some delays. I plan to drive up and back from here to Sterling Heights in a few weeks.
I have known several people who attended UD,including our daughter, and I know someone attending right now. It is a very good school for many degrees and it is strongly Catholic. The campus has greatly expanded over the years and is quite beautiful. The chapel was renovated over the past year and there is a beautiful Catholic parish right on the edge of the campus.
 
a non-descript semi-catholic midwestern university

they don’t reject anybody with a HS ddegree; if you can beg borrow or steal the tuition, you’ll be admitted…
I am not sure where you got this information because the acceptance rate for this freshman class was 53%.
 
PP was saying 47% were rejected due to not having a hs degree.
I am a little confused by your response here, the poster brian custer responded to the op by stating they don’t reject anyone with a hs degree. This is not accurate, in the past year they accepted 53% of their applicants. Having a hs degree is necessary before you can apply. We love UD and highly recommend it to anyone seeking a Catholic university degree. It is a very competitive university that accepts only @ half of their applicants.
 
I have a relative that is contemplating attending the University of Dayton. She is 19. I will be going with her on a campus tour, on Nov 22. We are driving down from Metro Detroit.

Any comments on the college in general?

Any suggestions on what to see once we are there?

Is it too far to drive and return to Detroit in the same day? MapQuest states that it is a 3 1/2 hour drive, but I was wondering if anyone here has actually made the drive.
I just moved to Dayton in June. The school has a very pretty campus located near downtown. The major concern I would have is the crime rate, since the downtown area seems a bit blighted and I know the western areas of Dayton have a lot of crime. So, I would ask about crime and safety.

I’d say it was probably doable as a day trip, if you left early in the morning. My experience has been that Dayton’s traffic is surprisingly light, so the GPS calculations are probably accurate.
 
Check out the following:

www.cardinalnewmansociety.org

The Cardinal Newman Society lists the various criteria the Church has listed for a Catholic College or University. You will find most colleges that claim to be Catholic do not meet the criteria, even though they linger on in a diocesan directory, or claim to be Catholic. They may have a strong Catholic heritage - that is, past tense - but in the present, their Theologians do not have a mandatum from their bishop.

No college is going to be perfect, but there are measurable factors you can look for.
Start with the Cardinal Newman Society website. Besides listing criteria, they identify specific colleges. Then, my suggestions:
  • What room is Sunday Mass normally held in? You may find they use a traditional chapel for alumni and parent weekend, but where is it held usually? Consider both the size of the room, and the atmosphere. If the room holds 20 people, that tells you something.
  • Is there a definite time for confessions, or just available as needed?
  • Any prolife ministry? Any “Gay Ministry” or clubs recognized, other than Courage?
  • Look up the last couple years’ commencement speakers, or other major speakers. Then find out if they are pro choice, or pro gay marriage.
  • Find the Campus Ministry office, and look at the bulletin board, website, etc. Are the causes they support coming direct from the media, or from the Church?
  • Are there other kinds of spiritual supports? Catholic, or New Age, etc?
  • What kinds of religion texts do they use (you can check the bookstore).
  • If you tour the campus, go up to some student at random. Ask, is this place Catholic? Just see what they say.
  • Coed dorms?
Even if you can’t find a college that meets the criteria set by St. JPII, some fake-Catholic colleges are worse than others. Personally I think it better to send a student to a State college in my own city, than to send one to a fake-Catholic one out of town. The biggest factor in losing one’s faith is whether they stay in a dorm, or at home, not whether it is Catholic or not.
 
Just want to add that you can go to college without a HS degree and will be tested and evaluated on individual basis. It is not the norm, but it is possible. Not everyone in this big, wide world has the benefit of a conventional education for one reason or another, but an individual may be well educated by other means. BTW, half the people I know that have a HS degree, probably shouldn’t. A certificate is a piece of paper that not everyone deserves these days, esp. in from some of some of the school systems. Just saying.

An example" I went to a fast food place where a cashier could not make change. She tried three time and finally I just said “forget it.”
 
While logged into the Cardinal Newman Society website, type in the name of a college or university and articles, good and bad, will show about the school.

Anything from the latest trip of the pro life club to the school’s stance on providing contraception is included.
 
I want to thank all of you for your (name removed by moderator)ut. My niece is looking for the campus/dormitory experience. I will not try and influence her on going, or not going to this college. She is a smart girl. I can only pray that once she is on her own, that she will have common sense to avoid trouble.

I just wish she would realize that she does not need to spend thousands of dollars on an education, in order to be successful. We have more than one Catholic college here in Metro Detroit, that she could attend and get a excellent education from. Unfortunately, she was raised to believe that she needs to experience the campus lifestyle.

The decision is hers. I will just support whatever decision she makes.

What I would like to tell is that she would be just as successful by going to Madonna University in Livonia, as she would if she went to the University of Dayton. But you can’t tell people anything they don’t want to hear. 😦
 
I want to thank all of you for your (name removed by moderator)ut. My niece is looking for the campus/dormitory experience. I will not try and influence her on going, or not going to this college. She is a smart girl. I can only pray that once she is on her own, that she will have common sense to avoid trouble.

I just wish she would realize that she does not need to spend thousands of dollars on an education, in order to be successful. We have more than one Catholic college here in Metro Detroit, that she could attend and get a excellent education from. Unfortunately, she was raised to believe that she needs to experience the campus lifestyle.

The decision is hers. I will just support whatever decision she makes.

What I would like to tell is that she would be just as successful by going to Madonna University in Livonia, as she would if she went to the University of Dayton. But you can’t tell people anything they don’t want to hear. 😦
It’s difficult for this generation to give up the idea of the four year college experience, complete with dorms, the cafeteria, the clubs, etc.

Unfortunately it is not always safe for the soul or the pocketbook. It has been bad for decades, but at least now there seems to be more alternatives like community college and faithful Catholic schools.

What does she want to study? Maybe you could suggest she consider one of the faithful Catholic schools such as Franciscan University of Steubenville? She would still get the dorm experience but it would be in a much better atmosphere.
 
Having an interested relative like you is also a big factor. Pray for her, offer informed suggestions but support her in whatever choice she makes. I find young people tend not to like it when oldsters like me tell them what they should believe (about abortion, same sex marriage, religion, etc) but they pay attention if I tell them what I believe, and why. The more your niece respects you, or even admires you, the more your own testimony will influence her.
 
I want to thank all of you for your (name removed by moderator)ut. My niece is looking for the campus/dormitory experience. I will not try and influence her on going, or not going to this college. She is a smart girl. I can only pray that once she is on her own, that she will have common sense to avoid trouble.

I just wish she would realize that she does not need to spend thousands of dollars on an education, in order to be successful. We have more than one Catholic college here in Metro Detroit, that she could attend and get a excellent education from. Unfortunately, she was raised to believe that she needs to experience the campus lifestyle.

The decision is hers. I will just support whatever decision she makes.
😦
Can I ask what her intended major is? That and fit are a huge factor for whether a school is a good choice for her personally.

Two points also, I encourage to apply to numerous schools (regardless of projected tuition costs). Then once all of the financial aid packages are received, you can take that into consideration when choosing a school. For me, it was actually cheaper for me to go to more prestigious private college (50,000+ tuition) then it was to go to the local state school Private ended up being about 10-14,000 year while the public school was closer to 20,000). Private schools often have larger endowments and easier ability to offer merit based and need-based aid. I graduated undergrad with about 28,000 in student loans (FYI with Engineering degree in 2013).

The second big factor is projected salary from major of study. Obviously a teaching salary is lower than say an engineering major. In that case the cheaper school might be a better option while the engineering major would have a higher projected salary thus could afford more of a tuition cost (maybe due to a possible benefit from a more prestigious program). Also some schools include co-op programs where students can gain work experience for 3-6 months and help offset school cost (usually means an extra year to graduate but you don’t pay for tuition during the Co-Op). My brother worked for IBM during his Co-Op made some serious cash (it’s generally 2/3 salary of typical employee) and was able to graduate with over a year of work experience (did two Co-Ops so it took him 5 years to graduate).

One finally note, the school itself doesn’t have to be Catholic to have a good faith forming environment. Look at the Newman ministry at the school, talk with local parishes and ask about their ministry and support to the local college kids, and maybe check to see if there are Catholic student groups? Hope some of these suggestions help.

If you have any questions and think I can help, feel free to PM me.

About schools in Ohio: there a numerous decent schools: CWRU (great engineering and physical science school), Ohio State (huge and pretty well-rounded school) and Toledo (much closer to Detroit). Just a few schools suggestions.
 
I want to thank all of you for your (name removed by moderator)ut. My niece is looking for the campus/dormitory experience. I will not try and influence her on going, or not going to this college. She is a smart girl. I can only pray that once she is on her own, that she will have common sense to avoid trouble.

I just wish she would realize that she does not need to spend thousands of dollars on an education, in order to be successful. We have more than one Catholic college here in Metro Detroit, that she could attend and get a excellent education from. Unfortunately, she was raised to believe that she needs to experience the campus lifestyle.

The decision is hers. I will just support whatever decision she makes.

What I would like to tell is that she would be just as successful by going to Madonna University in Livonia, as she would if she went to the University of Dayton. But you can’t tell people anything they don’t want to hear. 😦
One quick point: that last is going to depend in part on what she wants to do.

Note: I will be the first to say that the following situation is utterly idiotic, but it is the way that a good bit of the world works.

If she’s going into certain areas of business or finance, or wants to get into grad/doctoral programs in certain other areas, how highly a school is ranked is of the utmost importance. Many larger/international companies simply won’t consider smaller/lower-ranked schools’ alumni at all for hiring purposes now, or if they do, rarely, hire such a person, the employee may well get stuck in a dead-end job simply because of the name on their diploma.

As an example, a friend of DH’s/former coworker was a star in his department. His department consisted primarily of individuals with undergraduate degrees in the business field applicable for the department. He, however, was the only person without a degree from a top school in that field, and was told point-blank by HR that he’d never get beyond where he was for that single reason.

He left and got a master’s degree from Really Big Name School. The master’s degree taught him exactly nothing related to his field, nor anything practical for his job. It was a piece of paper that costs six figures.

As soon as he graduated, his former company started begging him to come back at a higher level and significantly higher rate of pay. He declined, and went to another company which also wouldn’t have hired him without a diploma from Really Big Name School, even though, as I mentioned, that degree meant absolutely nothing from a practical perspective.

I’ve heard this story over and over again from other coworkers of DH’s. Everyone agrees that this is a serious problem on the corporate level, but things are unlikely to change for the next few decades, at least.

I also second the Newman Center on a public campus idea. Look into them. Some are execrable, but many are top-notch. At our local one, there’s daily Mass (sometimes twice-daily), frequent Confession times, good spiritual direction (leads the nation in vocations!), etc. That way, one gets the solid Catholic teaching without the cringe-worthy private school price tag.

(And yes, a previous suggestion to apply to a lot of schools both private and public and seeing which offers the best financial aid is also a very good one.)
 
I just saw this thread and wanted to put my $0.02 in.

I’m a UD alumnus, and live in the area still. It is a very good school from an education standpoint.

From a Catholic perspective is it pretty good as well, as some teachers incorporate faith into their classes to some degree. On the plus side, they have a great campus ministry, and the chapel is great for worshiping, and there are opportunities for students to participate. On the minus side, the university has a reputation as a “party school”. However, in my years there it was fairly easy for me to avoid the parties, and hang out with people who did not get involved with alcohol.

IMO there is a benefit to living on campus. It helps facilitate making and developing friendships which can last a lifetime. However, I’m seeing the increasing financial benefits of going to a two year community college then transferring after taking the gen ed requirements.
I want to thank all of you for your (name removed by moderator)ut. My niece is looking for the campus/dormitory experience. I will not try and influence her on going, or not going to this college. She is a smart girl. I can only pray that once she is on her own, that she will have common sense to avoid trouble.

I just wish she would realize that she does not need to spend thousands of dollars on an education, in order to be successful. We have more than one Catholic college here in Metro Detroit, that she could attend and get a excellent education from. Unfortunately, she was raised to believe that she needs to experience the campus lifestyle.

The decision is hers. I will just support whatever decision she makes.

What I would like to tell is that she would be just as successful by going to Madonna University in Livonia, as she would if she went to the University of Dayton. But you can’t tell people anything they don’t want to hear. 😦
 
It’s a good Catholic University.
Be at peace. It’s her decision anyway.
 
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