Unjust How to Deal

[joeybaggz]

Emotions !! Pain is not an emotion, and distress (manifested in what we might call fear) in animals, insects, etc. is most probably instinctual reactions to perilous situations. Animal life does not exhibit emotions as do human beings. Attributing human emotion to instinctual or homeostatic/reflex organic functions is incorrect thinking.

 

[Kei]

It is really quite simple, the fall of Adam involved the entirety of creation.
One of the rules of biology is to not try to give them a human understanding of things.
They do not feel like us. Of course they feel pain, it is an instinct. But they do not feel pain like humans feel pain.
The lower species do not have the same manner of soul as us. A dog may think, but it won’t think about its thinking.
To ascribe them anthropomorphic qualities, no matter how much pain it may understand, is wrong. They may feel pain, but they do not suffer, in the way a man does.

You quote Darwin saying a loving God wouldn’t do them he his or that, but as neither you nor he are loving gods, I will be quite pleased to ignore the argument from outrage.

 

[FiveLinden]

It is really quite simple, the fall of Adam involved the entirety of creation.

One of the rules of biology is to not try to give them a human understanding of things.

They do not feel like us. Of course they feel pain, it is an instinct. But they do not feel pain like humans feel pain.

Do you know of an animal behaviourist who has published anything that agrees with you in a peer-review journal? And anyway, for my argument it just matters that they feel pain at all, not how it compares to human pain.

 

[Kei]

Are you implying that an animal has any sense of what is unjust or suffering because it can feel pain?
Pain is simply the instinct of this is dangerous, it is to save us from bad situations like putting your finger on a stove top. Get hit by one thorn, and you “know” to not go further into the thornbushes.
There is nothing indicating that “pain” for animals has further, human like qualities like injustice or suffering.

Do I have a journal for what? I recall that maxim of never ascribing human experience to animals (which should be obvious) when researching if lobsters feel pain.

 

[FiveLinden]

Are you implying that an animal has any sense of what is unjust or suffering because it can feel pain?

Pain is simply the instinct of this is dangerous, it is to save us from bad situations like putting your finger on a stove top. Get hit by one thorn, and you “know” to not go further into the thornbushes.

There is nothing indicating that “pain” for animals has further, human like qualities like injustice or suffering.

Do I have a journal for what? I recall that maxim of never ascribing human experience to animals (which should be obvious) when researching if lobsters feel pain.

No I am not talking about animals’ sense of injustice. I am saying that it is manifestly unjust for animals to suffer pain on this earth in the absence of any possibility of eternal life. The idea of a just God allowing this is incomprehensible, if the word ‘just’ has any meaning. I am not ascribing human experiences to animals. I am saying they feel pain. This is incompatible with belief in a just God.

 

[Kei]

I am sorry but that just sounds ludicrous, you act as if it is unjust to feel pain, when it’s a survival mechanism.
That’s not even counting just punishments.

 

[Eric_Hyom]

No I am not talking about animals’ sense of injustice. I am saying that it is manifestly unjust for animals to suffer pain on this earth in the absence of any possibility of eternal life. The idea of a just God allowing this is incomprehensible, if the word ‘just’ has any meaning. I am not ascribing human experiences to animals. I am saying they feel pain. This is incompatible with belief in a just God.

This is not incompatible with a just God, because if God is just, he will have a just solution for animals too.

 

[FiveLinden]

This is not incompatible with a just God, because if God is just, he will have a just solution for animals too

There is no possible answer to this assertion. If there is a just God, everything must be ok. Well, yes. I agree. But the appearance of everything is that there is not. Which should I choose? Rational observation or whatever the other thing is?