the treatment is either delivering the baby - or if it is too early for that ending the pregnancy
What scare tactic David? Its an honest question. The fact is, you cannot honestly answer the question. And Couples face this every day. You are prochoice weather you want to acknowledge it or not. you simply choose to sacrifice the Life of the mother, instead of the Infant. So congratualtions. using your reasoning, you just side on saving the Infant, and MURDERING the mother. Of course I dont think its murder, Im just looking at things from your point of view.
Not comparing apple to oranges. What did we do in Hiroshema and Nagasake? Were these combatants we targeted?
So you would advocate your daughters death. Ok Thank you. You would decide then to “murder” your daughter to save the unborn child. Remember. you as the responsible parent are making the decision for a minor. Im just looking at it from your view. You then would be guilty of a mortal sin, by allowing your daughter to die. we are all pro choice weather we like it or not.
Thank you, I wont have to reply to that guys irrelavent post.
First off, Im not pro abortion. I have walked the line myself many times. This is a specific case though, where the life of the Mother is an issue. This is where most of us in the conservative ranks, DO feel it should be allowed. I can throw out some more real life scenarios to you. I know of Catholic pregancy centers that were started up, by women who have had abortions, and are opposed to the procedure. Let me just say that I Thank God you or dave have never had to be confronted personally by any of these issues. You can quite comfortably, keep living in the hypothetical world while some of us attempt to sort these issues of war and the life of the mother out in REAL life. And also may I add, I hope you never are confronted with these issues. I think you would also be making a terrible choice.
Here is the Kicker. Many more people read these threads without posting. There are potentially thousands of those we dont hear from. So they come onto a Catholic forum, perhaps looking for a little bit of compassion by their Brothers and Sisters, and All they see, is that they are a murderer, simply for taking an action to save their own life. How sad is that? They are already in enough turmoil due to this descision they made, and many in their own family want to rub salt in their wounds. I think the ultra left of our Chruch are just plain stupid. But I think the ultra right like we have here, are just plain heartless, and WOULD have stoned the woman caught in adultrey.I loved Pope John Paul II <3 what an incredibly kind man
It shocks me because this entire thread has seemed so harsh and cold towards a woman who was in the worst possible situation having to loss a child to save her own life - or die leaving her other children motherless… and still the life of that unborn child is lost -
how many times has this person been called a murderer -
and then we go to charity and if we put someone to death who is a danger to society the :“right” way we can send them straight to heaven…
Some of yall have much work to do on 1rst corinthians 13. What evil are you committing, that you have to be so harsh on Mothers who have had to make this horrible decision? Are you in a position to cast stones? 
Really Pilgrim? But you just stated you would not allow your daughter to HAVE this option. You stated you would choose DEATH for your daughter. Why could you allow this for a total stranger, and not for your own flesh and blood? And you only save your compassion for those that have only confessed thier sin? Where would we be if Christ thought like this? May I remind you, that while we were yet sinners, He loved us. May I remind you, that you were not sparkling clean when you came to him broken. I surely was not. I have received cleansing from a whole host of sins. That being said, I am not going to turn a woman away who has had this procedure done, under NO circumstance. They are already suffering enough. Repentance can happen, but its a whole lot harder when the people in the Church Christ set up, are Cold Hearted, and acting with a Holier Than Thou attitude. I thank God my priest has taught me compassion. I thank God I found Catholics who welcomed me in while a sinner, who gently guided me. I thank God, I did not come across Judgmental types, That are found in abundance in protestant fundamentalist congregations. :coolinoff: I pray the Catholichelp Will return to the Church, but that is not going to happen If all she runs into are people waiting to slam her.
No, an unjust war with lots of casualties is not worse than abortion. Abortion is far worse in my opinion. That said, it may be a fact that abortion is far worse than unjust war. I am honestly not sure. Finally, abortion receives an automatic excommunication. I do not believe that the perpetrators of an unjust war are excommunicated at all but I may be wrong on that.
My condolences for your losses. And my prayers are with you. And finally Thank you for your support and prayers.
Do you have an legitimate data to back up your claim that couples face life and circumstances relative to pregnancy every day?
What claim have I made relative to use of the A-bomb in Japan? My personal opinion is that it was an immoral choice because the loss of innocent life was too great. As such it was not a just act, even though the war may have been just.
on the contrary david. I think it is you who have run out of rational arguments. And I am sure that that on this globe, that this situation is faced by couples every day. At least Pilgrim was able to answer this.
Please do not call me “pro-abortion” you can call me pro choice if you choose… but since you don’;t know its rather unfair to say that I am pro abortion -
Yes it was Just to use the bomb. We targeted a civilan population with a horrible weapon to save millions of more lives that would have been lost, had we invaded. In the same way, An abortion to save a mothers life is justifiable. The intent is to save lives, or a life. Not to take them.
Who is casting stones? No one has been condemned.Here is the Kicker. Many more people read these threads without posting. There are potentially thousands of those we dont hear from. So they come onto a Catholic forum, perhaps looking for a little bit of compassion by their Brothers and Sisters, and All they see, is that they are a murderer, simply for taking an action to save their own life. How sad is that? They are already in enough turmoil due to this descision they made, and many in their own family want to rub salt in their wounds. I think the ultra left of our Chruch are just plain stupid. But I think the ultra right like we have here, are just plain heartless, and WOULD have stoned the woman caught in adultrey.
Sure will, when people stop calling mothers who procure an abortion to save their own lives, Murderers.
Please do not call me “pro-abortion” you can call me pro choice if you choose… but since you don’;t know its rather unfair to say that I am pro abortion -
I worked half my life preventing abortions …
But in consoling these women I can think I can honestly tell you the intent of every women having an abortion is not murder-.It is not that simple. it is not that cold and heartless.
A hypothetical world? No I did this all day every day for years… I spent years working with women in these situations and some times worse situations - I know all kinds of “intents” for abortion -
I have been confronted with some pretty rough situations luckily my choices are not yours to judge
Actually we are all pro choice. Some of us can just acknowledge it better than others. I also know you work your butt off to save lives. Peace and prayers for you. Being pro-choice is not the same as being pro-abortion. Who in their right mind says that they are pro-abortion and let’s have more abortions? As I stated in one of my previous posts, there are valid religious differences compared to Catholicism (in Judaism, Quakerism, and so on) regarding when life begins and there is no social or moral consensus on this issue. However, there is a social, moral, and legal consensus that AFTER birth, the baby is entitled to all the rights of a human being. So, obviously, ripping someone’s heart out to save your own wife is legally, socially, and morally wrong. On a somewhat lighter note, I remember several years ago John Cardinal O’Connor of New York City, the Archbishop of St. Patrick’s Cathedral, whom most New Yorkers of every faith, including myself, loved and revered, made a comment that he thought it inappropriate that there was a baseball game scheduled on Good Friday. Most people protested his remark, including Catholics. Why? Although he had the right to free speech, it was inappropriate for him to wish to impose his religious beliefs on all of New York City, especially since NYC is such a multicultural, multiethnic and multireligious city. But even if it weren’t, it would still have been inappropriate. The same I believe is true of the abortion issue. Protest the current laws, yes, by all means; but impose one’s moral viewpoints on others, no.
sorry i responded to the wrong post I know you know that