unknown place

[jbinueza]

hi,
is there any mention of a place where God and the angels dwell together before Lucifer fell into sin? what place is/was that? Do we have any name for that?
for sure I know it is not called heaven, right?

thanks,

 

[Mintaka]

Fr. Hardon has an article on Angelology that says: “Were the angels created before the material world? The Church has never given a definitive answer. But the more common teaching of theologians is that the angels were created at the same time as the visible universe…”

Another article says: First observation, the angels were not originally created in heaven, we speak using the words “the angels, some, fell from heaven,” but these words are not to be taken literally. No one who actually ever reaches heaven will lose the celestial beatitude."

I don’t think anybody has named the angels’ state of existence between the moment of their creation and their choice for heaven or hell. They were just in the spiritual world but not in heaven, I suppose.

Obviously God wasn’t too concerned to reveal this to us, so it’s not a matter of importance to our own salvation. I don’t know any Scripture that you could deduce it from. It may not even be any of our business. But we do have freedom to speculate and guess, as long as we don’t try to teach our deductions as official and correct.

 

[thistle]

Fr. Hardon has an article on Angelology that says: “Were the angels created before the material world? The Church has never given a definitive answer. But the more common teaching of theologians is that the angels were created at the same time as the visible universe…”

Another article says: First observation, the angels were not originally created in heaven, we speak using the words “the angels, some, fell from heaven,” but these words are not to be taken literally. No one who actually ever reaches heaven will lose the celestial beatitude."

I don’t think anybody has named the angels’ state of existence between the moment of their creation and their choice for heaven or hell. They were just in the spiritual world but not in heaven, I suppose.

Obviously God wasn’t too concerned to reveal this to us, so it’s not a matter of importance to our own salvation. I don’t know any Scripture that you could deduce it from. It may not even be any of our business. But we do have freedom to speculate and guess, as long as we don’t try to teach our deductions as official and correct.

Church teaching:

CCC 332 Angels have been present since creation and throughout the history of salvation, announcing this salvation from afar or near and serving the accomplishment of the divine plan: they closed the earthly paradise; protected Lot; saved Hagar and her child; stayed Abraham’s hand; communicated the law by their ministry; led the People of God; announced births and callings; and assisted the prophets, just to cite a few examples.194 Finally, the angel Gabriel announced the birth of the Precursor and that of Jesus himself.