Unnatural law

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It wouldn’t change the minds of those in favor of homosexuality because they’d just view it as “hate speech,” and they won’t bother listening to anyone who tries to tell them otherwise, because “obviously that person’s a bigot for telling me there’s something wrong with how *I *chose to live my life.” '-_-

I like the idea though, if only to give people who chose to take on this problem something more to learn from.
 
ProdglArchitect said:
It wouldn’t change the minds of those in favor of homosexuality because they’d just view it as “hate speech,” and they won’t bother listening to anyone who tries to tell them otherwise, because “obviously that person’s a bigot for telling me there’s something wrong with how *I *chose to live my life.” '-_-

I like the idea though, if only to give people who chose to take on this problem something more to learn from.
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Yeah, I think it’s a good idea insofar that it will articulate our views but I also think that it might make people who are already in favor of same-sex marriage hate the Church even more.
 
I just made a (smallish) donation. I really hope that they find the money. I live in a very liberal environment and the topic of homosexuality in society is something that everyone thinks about. Having a 20-30 minute documentary to show people about the Church’s teachings on the topic could be invaluable.

In today’s society this could be a great asset to our Church.
 
I know this priest has taken alot of youtube abuse in the past from gay marriage advocates.

It must be hard to want to reach out in love with God’s truth and find so many harden hearts. We all have our sins and crosses. Some are harder than others. Same sex attraction would be very hard.

I’m finding in my teens that homosexuality is more acceptable and there isn’t the repugnance of former times. That’s good and bad, I guess. Good to see the dignity of each human, but bad that the unnaturalness of the act is acceptable.
 
Would it be appropriate to ask people on this forum to donate? If this were the case we should probably change the title of this thread to get more attention. Right now it seems like it’s referring to a philosophical topic. Something like “Project for Catholic Film on Homosexuality: ‘Unnatural law?’” might be clearer.

I definitely think that CAF as a whole could get together a few hundred dollars for this project. I’m praying that if it is in God’s will, that this project gets done. Only He knows if this is truly a good approach towards dealing with the issues around homosexuality, though from my perspective it seems very useful.
 
I highly doubt it will change minds. Chances are most of the people who will see it already agree with the movie. If you are fine with homosexuality and for gay marriage, chances are you don’t want to give your money to see a movie against your position. I actually am cool with watching movies on both sides of issues, but I am not a common person.
 
robotsarecool said:
I highly doubt it will change minds. Chances are most of the people who will see it already agree with the movie. If you are fine with homosexuality and for gay marriage, chances are you don’t want to give your money to see a movie against your position. I actually am cool with watching movies on both sides of issues, but I am not a common person.
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I think that people can be a bit more open minded than you are giving them credit for: in the right circumstances a liberal will consider conservative arguments, and vice versa.

Besides, even if this movie doesn’t change minds, it will help people against gay marriage understand the Church’s full position on homosexuality. This will be very valuable for homosexual Catholics, and it will permit Catholics to argue their position more effectively.

The Catholic position is fine with homosexuality. It considers this simply as one of the many sinful inclinations that a person can be born with. Everyone is born with many sinful inclinations. So being anti-gay really doesn’t make sense in Catholicism, as we understand such sinful inclinations as the common lot of mankind. They are not worse than an inclination to violence, or theft, or lying, etc.
 
They are over halfway on their goal to financing the movie. It does seem doable if the word gets out.

I think if anyone has a chance to change minds by reasonable argument, it would be this priest.

praying for success.
 
Robert_Caritas said:
I think that people can be a bit more open minded than you are giving them credit for: in the right circumstances a liberal will consider conservative arguments, and vice versa.

Besides, even if this movie doesn’t change minds, it will help people against gay marriage understand the Church’s full position on homosexuality. This will be very valuable for homosexual Catholics, and it will permit Catholics to argue their position more effectively.

The Catholic position is fine with homosexuality. It considers this simply as one of the many sinful inclinations that a person can be born with. Everyone is born with many sinful inclinations. So being anti-gay really doesn’t make sense in Catholicism, as we understand such sinful inclinations as the common lot of mankind. They are not worse than an inclination to violence, or theft, or lying, etc.
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As a Catholic woman with same sex attraction (I am a bisexual and living chastely in a straight sacramental marriage) I am very aware of Church teaching on the subject. I still don’t think this movie will be popular among non-Christians. Documentaries are not popular in the first place and then people who are against Church teaching, will probably not give money to see the movie as to not support it’s view. I know I wouldn’t see a pro-choice documentary in theaters because I am pro-life (I would maybe watch it after it came out on Netflix or borrow it from a friend, but wouldn’t want to contribute money towards the people who made the movie). If they don’t see it, it probably won’t change minds. Plus it is a very controversial subject and with controversial subjects, people tend to have strong feelings and generally will not do anything that could possibly support the other side. I could be wrong, but I really doubt this will be very effective in changing minds.

I know many Christians/Catholics protested the DaVinci Code and wouldn’t pay money to see the movie or read the book because it shows some ideas against Church teaching. I would imagine people that are against Church teaching would feel the same way about movies/books supporting the Catholic position.
 
robotsarecool said:
As a Catholic woman with same sex attraction (I am a bisexual and living chastely in a straight sacramental marriage) I am very aware of Church teaching on the subject. I still don’t think this movie will be popular among non-Christians. Documentaries are not popular in the first place and then people who are against Church teaching, will probably not give money to see the movie as to not support it’s view. I know I wouldn’t see a pro-choice documentary in theaters because I am pro-life (I would maybe watch it after it came out on Netflix or borrow it from a friend, but wouldn’t want to contribute money towards the people who made the movie). If they don’t see it, it probably won’t change minds. Plus it is a very controversial subject and with controversial subjects, people tend to have strong feelings and generally will not do anything that could possibly support the other side. I could be wrong, but I really doubt this will be very effective in changing minds.

I know many Christians/Catholics protested the DaVinci Code and wouldn’t pay money to see the movie or read the book because it shows some ideas against Church teaching. I would imagine people that are against Church teaching would feel the same way about movies/books supporting the Catholic position.
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hmmm, I think it might be useful for young Catholics (teens and young adults) as well as high school theology teachers to use. Plus, I think a lot of Catholics don’t really understand the teaching clearly–either are too tolerant or aren’t tolerant of the “cross” of same sex attraction.

How would it be best to get this film into uncatechized Catholics?
 
leonie said:
hmmm, I think it might be useful for young Catholics (teens and young adults) as well as high school theology teachers to use. Plus, I think a lot of Catholics don’t really understand the teaching clearly–either are too tolerant or aren’t tolerant of the “cross” of same sex attraction.

How would it be best to get this film into uncatechized Catholics?
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Yes I agree. For high school theology classes and young Catholics, this could be great. I think that this film would also be useful for Catholic LGBT groups. They’re probably already well equipped, but a documentary like this with testimonies and expert interviews definitely couldn’t hurt.

About uncatechized Catholics, I guess if the film was good it might get passed around a bit… It’s also easier to learn your Churches stance on such a question with a 30 min film than to go and catechized yourself entirely…

I agree with robotsarecool that this probably wouldn’t reach anti-Catholics much.
 
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