Unpopulated Hell

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Sister, my only point is that we on earth are not to judge. We can suppose, but God may have saved Judas due to some good works he did for His Son. We just don’t know.
Yes - i know we don’t judge. 😃

BUT - i honestly believe his entry to hell is a Traditional teaching because Christ wanted us to know - that it doesn’t matter who we are - we can fall - and we can go to hell if we do not repent or if we blaspheme the Holy Spirit and we despair more than trust the mercy of God…

This should be a fearful thing to all the clergy - if an Apostle can be left to be eternally seperated from Him - then we shouldn’t think we hold some position of comfort.
As Paul said - all must run the race.
 
Yes - i know we don’t judge. 😃

BUT - i honestly believe his entry to hell is a Traditional teaching because Christ wanted us to know - that it doesn’t matter who we are - we can fall - and we can go to hell if we do not repent or if we blaspheme the Holy Spirit and we despair more than trust the mercy of God…

This should be a fearful thing to all the clergy - if an Apostle can be left to be eternally seperated from Him - then we shouldn’t think we hold some position of comfort.
As Paul said - all must run the race.
I don’t think the belief that Judas went to hell has ever been a traditional teaching to the level of Magisterium. It may be a tradition (lower case) in some families, cultures, countries, etc. but it is not a Tradition (capital).
 
Our RCIA class has been discussing sin & confession recently, and comments regarding mortal sin and “going to hell” seem to have struck a nerve with one of the candidate’s sponsor. After some heated discussion, I was willing admit that no, in fact, we do not have certain knowledge that anybody is in hell. Likewise, I admitted that, since full knowledge and consent of the will are preconditions for mortal sin, that ignorance, emotions, and mental disorders mitigate the guilt due to sins. I was also willing to admit that we should certainly hope and pray for the salvation of all souls, even those who we suspect may have died impenitent.

On his side, he confirmed the existence of free-will, the existence of hell, and the existence of mortal sin. We both said that it is not our position to judge, and that ultimately we must leave it up God’s ultimate justice and mercy.

But I’m still perplexed by why he was so adamant as to pick this topic to boldly and confidently present his opinions to the class. Since he quoted Fr. Richard Neuhaus, I read a Neuhas article defending the “unpopulated hell” theory.

What I don’t get, and what I’m asking people to comment on here, is what could be the motivation behind this perspective. Jesus obviously didn’t pull any punches about the risk of hell. If God, in his infinte mercy is going to bring everybody to heaven anyway, what’s the point following God’s law. Neuhaus dismisses this argument as “profoundly wrongheaded and spiritually perverse.” He continues to say that, “one cannot rationally and knowingly choose to live contrary to God’s will, since to do so is contrary to one’s own nature,” which I find to be blatantly absurd given that all humanity, to one degree or another, lives contrary to God’s will.

I’m just dumbfounded as to why this is worth arguing about. I mean, if Jesus taught that hell was a real possibility and we are to act and live as though hell were a real possibility, why bother proclaiming that hell might not be, in actual fact, a real possibility?
Your last point is the crux. If no one could go to hell, why even mention it or warn anybody of it? We know
  • Jesus warned of hell more than anyone.
  • Paul was second in number of warnings.
    if hell didn’t exist or that no one could go there, then saying one could go when they couldn’t would make
  • Jesus and Paul liars.
  • Since Jesus only spoke what the Father wanted Him to say, that would make the Father an accomplace to the lie
  • Since the Holy Spirit is the one guiding Paul to teach what he teaches, that would make the HS an accomplace to the lie also
  • we know that is crazy
    Having said that, Jesus DID say after he makes the point "it’s easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to get to heaven… then Jesus was asked, then who can be saved? He says for man it 's impossible but anything is possible with God. 🙂
The act of contrition I think says it all.

Oh my God I am heartily sorry for having offended you. And I detest all my sins because I dread the loss of heaven and the pains of hell. But most of all becaues I have offended you my God who is all good and worthy of all my love. I firmly resolve with the help of your grace to confess my sins, do penance, and amend my life…Amen

Personally, I say this prayer often. Probably not as many times as I should.
 
Doesn’t the Eastern Church teach that hell and Purgatory are basically the same and that a soul will not necessarily spend eternity in hell? Basically, that there is the posibility for Salvation after spending time in hell? If so, this would tend to support the empty hell theory, at least eventually. Of course, this it totally aposed to what the RC teaches.
 
I don’t think the belief that Judas went to hell has ever been a traditional teaching to the level of Magisterium. It may be a tradition (lower case) in some families, cultures, countries, etc. but it is not a Tradition (capital).
It’s not a doctrine…I agree.
But it is taught by the fathers in the early Church as I quoted.
Basically, Jesus probably told His Apostles who then wrote that it would be better he was never born.

I think Judas may have been an example to the Apostles and all the clergy…and all of humanity.
 
Doesn’t the Eastern Church teach that hell and Purgatory are basically the same and that a soul will not necessarily spend eternity in hell? Basically, that there is the posibility for Salvation after spending time in hell? If so, this would tend to support the empty hell theory, at least eventually. Of course, this it totally aposed to what the RC teaches.
Do you mean Eastern Catholic? Or Eastern Orthodox?
I never heard this taught in either Church. :hmmm:
 
Doesn’t the Eastern Church teach that hell and Purgatory are basically the same and that a soul will not necessarily spend eternity in hell? Basically, that there is the posibility for Salvation after spending time in hell? If so, this would tend to support the empty hell theory, at least eventually. Of course, this it totally aposed to what the RC teaches.
It’s not opposed, it’s just using the words differently to describe the same realities which they believe just as we do. East and West are in agreement on this and nearly everything else. Remember, the doctrines of Hell and Purgatory developed to their final state in our Tradition. Before that (and still in the East) the words were used less precisely.
 
Doesn’t the Eastern Church teach that hell and Purgatory are basically the same and that a soul will not necessarily spend eternity in hell?
As a quick summary,

Orthodox Judaism believes gehinnom / sheol is temporary. They believe in purification of the soul after death and before heaven. Punishment lasts no longer than 1 year for the wicked. Then they move on to heaven. Some in Judaism also believe in the total distruction of the wicked soul. But no everlasting torment

Eastern Catholics and Western Catholics as you know, believe the same with regards to purgatory and the permanence of hell.

Eastern Orthodox don’t believe in purgatory but the permanence of hell
 
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