Unrealistic Expectations of a Priest?

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And for all those saying that we can’t judge a priest by the acount of one person when we weren’t there: I’ll remember that the next time someone posts that their priest divided up the gospel between him and a lay person. When everyone screams “Write the bishop!”, I’ll remind you that we weren’t there and this was the acount of only one person.
There is a significant difference between a Priest doing his job, i.e. giving a doctrinally sound Homily (and ensuring the congregation can hear it), telling the congregation of the need for Sacramental Absolution, reminding the congregation of the Parish’s financial situation etc and a Priest violating Canon Law or the GIRM. Furthermore if a Priest has had a layperson read a Gospel it is a factual event it doesn’t call for an opinion except whether it is/is not allowed. In this case its a matter of preference and to base an entire condemnatory assessment on a Priest who appears to be orthodox and faithful to the Church purely on one person’s assessment is wrong. It would be comparable to a Priest wearing a clown outfit to preside at a Mass, which is clearly not allowed, versus a Priest choosing to wear rosacea on Laetare Sunday and someone not liking the colour.
 
There is a significant difference between a Priest doing his job, i.e. giving a doctrinally sound Homily (and ensuring the congregation can hear it), telling the congregation of the need for Sacramental Absolution, reminding the congregation of the Parish’s financial situation etc and a Priest violating Canon Law or the GIRM. Furthermore if a Priest has had a layperson read a Gospel it is a factual event it doesn’t call for an opinion except whether it is/is not allowed. In this case its a matter of preference and to base an entire condemnatory assessment on a Priest who appears to be orthodox and faithful to the Church purely on one person’s assessment is wrong. It would be comparable to a Priest wearing a clown outfit to preside at a Mass, which is clearly not allowed, versus a Priest choosing to wear rosacea on Laetare Sunday and someone not liking the colour.
Hi. I liked your post and the points you made. However (hope you have a sense of humor) , rosacea is a medical condition and “rose” is a color.
 
I’m sorry that you have a hard time attending mass because of your priest. I’ve also experienced this in different ways and in fact recently had a “falling out” with my pastor. It since has been resolved but only after alot of prayer and the guidence of the Holy Spirit.

The church is made up of a fallen people. We have to accept that not every situation can be perfect- only God is perfect. We have to remember why we are at Mass and it is only the Priest who can give us the Sacraments. Not even the Angels have that ability.

You can change parishes but who’s to say the next pastor of that parish will be any better? You will not be able to change the man but you can change the culture of your parish by how you interact with others.
 
Hi. I liked your post and the points you made. However (hope you have a sense of humor) , rosacea is a medical condition and “rose” is a color.
I think rosacea might be both a medical condition and a colour for vestments, see here. Obviously whichever Doctor named it wasn’t very original :).
 
I definitely agree that you need to pray for this priest and reach out to him - what a great chance to do good to those who don’t necessarily do good to us (I’m not going to go as far as to say he is your ‘enemy’ 😉 ).

I can empathize with you - I haven’t had any mean priests (although I DID have one of those terrible confession experiences once) but I have had dull ones who gave canned homilies. When I was little I couldn’t stand Church. I was blessed enough to have some great parishes in college and grad school. I’ll be honest and say I don’t enjoy Church as much when I visit my hometown - BUT I still go and still enjoy it because regardless, I know I’m getting the Eucharist and that is what matters. That’s always the same, and that’s the joy of the Universal Church 🙂

However, I think some of the other posters are being a little harsh. I hate seeing people denigrate priests too, but I don’t think he/she is looking for reasons to bash priests. We really have no idea what happened - maybe the mother didn’t even have a chance to quiet her child. Or maybe not. But IF what the OP says is true, then I think she has a legitamate concern. Yes, the most important thing is the Eucharist and administering of Sacraments, and the priests need to be respected - but that doesn’t mean they are above reproach. Sometimes there really are bad priests out there.

BUT, maybe you can reach out to this guy and help him - he has his struggles just like the rest of us.
 
Hi Twelve!

You know, you don’t have to go to that particular parish to fulfill your Sunday obligation. So, why don’t you stay registered, and go elsewhere on Sunday? You said you’ve been there all your life. There are probably many aspects of the parish you enjoy. And by all means, give what you can to support the parish (Put it on autopay, either through your personal checking account or something along the lines of ParishPay). But you said this priest has a history of being assigned to parishes and having people clear out. If I was that attached to the parish, that’s what I’d do: Pick up the bulletin on my way elsewhere, making sure I supported both parishes, and not necessarily even 50-50.

Priests, God love them, they don’t stay anywhere forever (at least in charge). There will be a new priest along one of these days.
 
Oh, my!

Well, I’m sure we all could share a story or two about a priest or nun that is unfavorable.

This is very unfortunate and it is our obedience to the Church and the Office of the Priest (not the man in the chasuble), but we should be extremely mindful of, in addition to our support of our neighbors in this situation (that poor woman)…I loved the “soothing voice lulling the baby to sleep” advice…good one!

They took out the cry room in our parish because the priest thought the separation was not right. The children should grow up in the church (just like we did), when we got way out of hand we were taken to the narthex for a change of scenery and then back inside. Those around us learn tolerance, also.

But for some reason a rant about bringing the teachings of Jesus to the people seems like an oxymoron…perhaps a word with the parish administrator with several parish members?
 
It sounds like you can - and probably should - get out of this parish. I’m sure many others have and many will follow. Come back when they get a priest who is actually pastoral.
By whose estimation is a Priest “pastoral.” Are we all (individually) to determine which Priests are “pastoral” and which are not? If so, then what if I find a Priest pastoral and you do not? Who is right? Is truth relative? I will suggest to you and those like you that it is NOT the place of the laity to determine whether or not a Priest is “pastoral.” The Church is very capable of doing it’s job, unless of course you are suggesting that the Church is not and therefore Christ was lying. As laity, we can of course go to mother Church with concerns we have concerning the issues encountered with a particular Priest, but ultimately it is the Church who decides, not the laity. You may of course attend another parish, but that advice is not what causes me concern about your advice to the OP. My concern rests in your assumption that she come back after “they get a priest who is actually pastoral.” This would imply that the OP knows better than the Church who is and is not worthy of being a Priest. I would suggest that perhaps this is an untruth. I am getting the impression that you do not love the Priesthood very much. Now of course you’ll deny that here and now, but truly how is it that you can so quickly speak out and give advice against a Priest you have never met nor seen based solely on a witness you have neither seen nor met? It is almost as if you are a shark looking for reasons to hate the Church and her Clergy.
And for all those saying that we can’t judge a priest by the acount of one person when we weren’t there: I’ll remember that the next time someone posts that their priest divided up the gospel between him and a lay person. When everyone screams “Write the bishop!”, I’ll remind you that we weren’t there and this was the acount of only one person.
LOL - You do that. Normally, the advice I give concerning someone who believes that their Priest has gone astray is to simply make an appointment with the Priest and speak with him about it. I wouldn’t actually suggest writing the Bishop unless the situation was grave (IE - an abuse) and then only after first speaking with the Priest directly beforehand. At least give him the courtesy of correcting the problem before running to the Bishop as though the Bishop had nothing better to do then listen to someone complaining about a Priest who asked a parent to take an upset infant into a vestibule. God bless and I hope that you will come to have a little more compassion toward those the Church has seen fit to provide us with as Priests.
 
By whose estimation is a Priest “pastoral.” Are we all (individually) to determine which Priests are “pastoral” and which are not? If so, then what if I find a Priest pastoral and you do not? Who is right? Is truth relative? I will suggest to you and those like you that it is NOT the place of the laity to determine whether or not a Priest is “pastoral.” The Church is very capable of doing it’s job, unless of course you are suggesting that the Church is not and therefore Christ was lying. As laity, we can of course go to mother Church with concerns we have concerning the issues encountered with a particular Priest, but ultimately it is the Church who decides, not the laity. You may of course attend another parish, but that advice is not what causes me concern about your advice to the OP. My concern rests in your assumption that she come back after “they get a priest who is actually pastoral.” This would imply that the OP knows better than the Church who is and is not worthy of being a Priest. I would suggest that perhaps this is an untruth. I am getting the impression that you do not love the Priesthood very much. Now of course you’ll deny that here and now, but truly how is it that you can so quickly speak out and give advice against a Priest you have never met nor seen based solely on a witness you have neither seen nor met? It is almost as if you are a shark looking for reasons to hate the Church and her Clergy.

Actually - quite to the contrary. In fact, I am quite sick of all the stupid, nit-picking, dumb complaints that often come to our priests and about our priests at our parish. Most of the complaints are trivial, as are most of the complaints that people have on this board.

The behavior that was described was not simply a priest asking, very kindly, a woman to remove a crying child or reminding a congregation to remove children when they are disruptive. Rather, it sounds like his admonition to this person was blunt and outright, and not the least bit sensitive, done in front of everyone in the moment. The person seems to have been quite humiliated - as many people would be. They also go on to say that this is only one incident in this type of behavior. If that is true, I certainly would leave the parish in that situation.

This has nothing to do with judging who can be a priest; The judgement of “pastoral” is quite subjective. But, really, it comes down to having decent people skills. There are some things that you simply don’t do. Publicly embarrassing someone is one of them. There are better ways to deal with these things - and I’d suggest that this priest find them, or he may find himself without parishioners - and for good reason!

LOL - You do that. Normally, the advice I give concerning someone who believes that their Priest has gone astray is to simply make an appointment with the Priest and speak with him about it. I wouldn’t actually suggest writing the Bishop unless the situation was grave (IE - an abuse) and then only after first speaking with the Priest directly beforehand. At least give him the courtesy of correcting the problem before running to the Bishop as though the Bishop had nothing better to do then listen to someone complaining about a Priest who asked a parent to take an upset infant into a vestibule. God bless and I hope that you will come to have a little more compassion toward those the Church has seen fit to provide us with as Priests.
Before you reduce the original poster to being too sensitive for merely being asked to take a screaming baby outside, let me tell you that the parish in which I work had just such a priest a lot of years ago. I have been told many stories: Stories of him standing up and saying “Take that crying baby outside!”, of him actually using God’s name in vain while correcting people about talking in church in front of the blessed sacrament, and a story of him chasing a child, grabbing him, and accusing him of not having consumed Communion - which the child actually DID consume. Was the priest “TECHNICALLY” right on target with his concerns? It seems so. Were his approaches correct? I don’t think anyone will seriously say that they were. This priest in this thread sounds awfully similar to me. Oh, any by the way - people actually DID lose their faith over this other priest I have told you about. They couldn’t bear coming to worship God and being berated by a representative of the Church.
 
Hi there we had a priest like this approximately 6 years or so ago now he was very very strict and some people found him a bit too strict he started to get forgetful too eventually, it turned out he had cancer right through his body and was in tremendous pain he continued conducting mass right to the end, all im saying is like someone else also has that you really do not know what his personal circumastances are.
The priest we have now is great he is warm and welcoming and very understanding so we dont have the same problem now but knowing what i know now, i have seen one priest suffer (in silence too i might add) i wont ever be too quick to judge again.
If your priest is really that bad im sure he will welcome any suggestions or for you to go to him with any problems, he will welcome the chance to grow and learn dont do what some did in my parish and turn away from the church and as a result our priest who at the time could not help his actions and could have done with the support himself.
I hope you can sort this out maybe your priest doesnt realise the way many people are feeling sometimes a gentle chat is all that is needed.
god bless
xxx
 
I think the priest should address the problems of disruptions in church in the bulletin, or before or after Mass. We have someone come up before Mass to remind everyone to turn off their cell phones and that has helped a lot.

You say you want to help out. I would get together with others in trying to start a nursery there. We have a nursery and this has been a big help for parents and members.

Our priest always brags on our choir and all who help with the church and Mass so this keeps them coming back.

If your priest is not willing to work with the members on making positive changes at your church then you might have to go to another parish.

We are really supposed to be in another parish after they built a newer church, but we have continued to stay at our former one because we like the way things are done there.

I hope you get some helpful answers and suggestions here.
 
I see that this thread has been moved so I hope those of you who replied will see these words to you. Thanks to all of you for your insights.

First, I am a 36 year old female, so that clears that up! Second, I never intended to use this forum just to bash or disrespect our priest. I was hoping to gain some guidance or advice from someone who may be experiencing something similar. I never, ever lost sight of the fact that this is a man who dedicated his life to God. I also believe in my heart that he does not know how deeply he offends or hurts his congregation, or how often.

I know this priest was removed from his last parish. Enough of the parishioners revolted and he was basically booted out. It had to be hurtful to him, and I would not be comfortable if my letter started that ball rolling now that he is in this parish. He has insulted so many…at our funerals, in our confessions and at daily Mass. It is talked of often and our parking lot grows emptier. Still, I will leave a revolt up to those whose conscience can handle it. Mine cannot.

Toaslan talks of the possibility of not having a priest at all, and asks if that gives me a new perspective. I guess that is hard for me to know, at this point, and I’ll tell you why. Nothing feels worse than feelings of anger, belittlement and hostility in Church…at Mass. Sometimes it is all that I can do not to pack up and leave. Others do.

But I will take the advice of rtconstant and I will minister to this man to the best of my ability. I will see if he feels like dinner some evening with my family. I’ll bake him a casserole or send him some cookies. I’ll try to open my heart to him and as you all mentioned….pray for him. Thanks again for your words.
 
Sorry but this Priest sounds like a cranky mean spirited Priest. No excuse for doing this to a women and her child. I don’t care what kind of pretty package you try to wrap this in, it’s still ugly. This is why people leave the Church. And we wonder why so many are leaving for the big mega protestant Churches? :rolleyes: duh. Of course, many Catholics actually believe a smaller Church would be fine with them. 🤷

I would seriously find a different parish as another poster suggested. Stay far away from him. I can see why he had to leave the last parish. We have a very orthodox priest who is whipping us all into shape but he also has a gentle spirit and doesn’t skip a beat when a child crys out. A priest can still be orthodox but not nasty about it. For heavens sake. What was it out Lord said? "LET THE CHILDREN COME ONTO ME! 🤷
 
I wish our priests would harp on confession and not leaving mass early 😦
 
There is nothing wrong with wanting to change your parish.

However, it is good to remember that priests are not perfect, and sometimes they are uncharitable, just as I am.

I try to remember that the priest can bring the Lord to me in the Eucharist, and that I should be focusing on the Mass.

I agree that it is distressing to see people leave because they are uncomfortable with a particular priest. Priests need our prayers, and we need to remember the Truth, Jesus Christ, whom we should love above all.
 
Sorry but this Priest sounds like a cranky mean spirited Priest. No excuse for doing this to a women and her child.



Of course, many Catholics actually believe a smaller Church would be fine with them. 🤷

🤷
Really, there are some reasons that might be excuses.

This priest might be rather ill, most of the time.
He might be mentally ill (in a lifelong fashion).
He might be seriously isolated from other people (sounds like he is).

As for the notion of a smaller Church, Benedict XVI has said it might come to that, but “smaller and stronger.” I see the problem of “inadequate pastor” causing one to flee a parish as being similar to a form of cafeteria Catholicism. At the least, one should do as much as one can to see that such a priest is made to feel welcome and comforted - then see if one really needs to depart for a greener parish. I do appreciate the fact that the OP has said she will do her best to be a more welcoming parishoner. New assignments can be hard on many priests. The parish is a stable “social unit” and the priest is the one who hopes to fit in.

Again, pray pray pray.
 
Really, there are some reasons that might be excuses.

This priest might be rather ill, most of the time.
He might be mentally ill (in a lifelong fashion).
He might be seriously isolated from other people (sounds like he is).

** As for the notion of a smaller Church, Benedict XVI has said it might come to that, but “smaller and stronger.”** I see the problem of “inadequate pastor” causing one to flee a parish as being similar to a form of cafeteria Catholicism. At the least, one should do as much as one can to see that such a priest is made to feel welcome and comforted - then see if one really needs to depart for a greener parish. I do appreciate the fact that the OP has said she will do her best to be a more welcoming parishoner. New assignments can be hard on many priests. The parish is a stable “social unit” and the priest is the one who hopes to fit in.

Again, pray pray pray.
Yes, I am horribly aware of this statement :rolleyes: I’ve read it on this message board 100 times 🤷 no offense to you but I’m sick of hearing it because it normally comes from Catholics who use it as a way to divide the faithful or prove that even the Pope agrees that" my way is the only way." :rolleyes: It’s always taken out of context as well. Which I find interesting.

As far as the priest possibly being ill or isolated, you might have a good point there and I had thought of that but the reality is, he shouldn’t have said that. There really isn’t an excuse. And if he is having personal problems then he needs to take a sabbatical. If he was in my parish, eventually I would send a letter of concern to the Bishop along with many others I’m sure. It’s possible some already have. 🤷
 
There is nothing wrong with wanting to change your parish.

However, it is good to remember that priests are not perfect, and sometimes they are uncharitable, just as I am.
This goes beyond uncharitable into disturbing. Yes, we all get cranky but we are not Priests in charge of a flock. Just my opinion 🤷
 
I will start my post by quoting the Gospel according to Matthew, Chapter 19, verses 13 and 14 (NAB)
13 10 Then children were brought to him that he might lay his hands on them and pray. The disciples rebuked them, 14 but Jesus said, “Let the children come to me, and do not prevent them; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”
I understand that a crying child can be a distraction during the Mass. I am a father of 5. However I remember a time when my daughters (quadruplets) were a little over a year old. We were attending Mass with my parents at their parish. During the homily, a couple of them got impatient and started to cry. After trying for a couple of minutes to sooth them my wife took the two that were crying to the back until they could be calmed. As the preist was making the announcements at the end of Mass, he made mention of the crying babies and said that if we are to be a pro-life Church, which we are, we must welcome the sounds of children in our liturgies. I personally thanked him for making this point and have liked him ever since. The best part is that about a year and a half ago, he became the pastor at my parish.

Yes, parents need to be considerate of others, but we also have to be understanding of the realities of having small children (infants and toddlers) in Mass. They don’t understand what is going on, but the only way they will learn is if their parents take them. We should welcome them just as our Lord did in the passage quoted above.
 
As far as the priest possibly being ill or isolated, you might have a good point there and I had thought of that but the reality is, he shouldn’t have said that. There really isn’t an excuse. And if he is having personal problems then he needs to take a sabbatical. If he was in my parish, eventually I would send a letter of concern to the Bishop along with many others I’m sure. It’s possible some already have. 🤷
If there were enough Priests then he’d probably be retired by now, and he could take a sabbatical, go on a pilgrimage or enter a monastery, where he wouldn’t have to deal with babies or objections from his congregation to reminders to go to confession regularly, until he was called. As it is he is a retired Priest who is still working, full time, by the sound of it as the only Priest in the Parish. If it were an old man at the back of the Church complaining about the noise children/babies were making during a Mass no one would bat an eyelid and although he is a Priest at a basic level that is what he is an old man.

In case no one has noticed the Biblical extract says nothing about the children disrupting others who are trying to listen to Our Lord, nor does it say that he had to raise his voice or shout to be heard above crying infants. Yes the Priest could have dealt with it in a nicer way but I doubt there are many people who can honestly say they haven’t wished a baby would shut up in Mass at some point. There is nothing ‘disturbing’ about his actions, he may be a Priest but he is a man, he is not God and you can’t expect him to never have a bad day or never be uncharitable to others.
 
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