Unsaved?

[frangiuliano115]

I do believe in predestination. Make no mistake, my perdition is of my own choosing. I think we do have choice.

It is not easy for to deal with. The simple truth for me is I am a disgrace. Always really have been.

The best I could do as far doing Gods will, is maybe (just maybe) for about 20 minutes after I go to confession. How people are able to make a conversion and follow Christ for the rest of their lives with out willfully sinning at any point is not something I can relate to.

This has been something I have pretty much known about myself since I was a kid. Always messing up. There are those that would have been better off never being born. Jesus even says that.

I seriously doubt that is the case with you. I seriously doubt it.

Hi,

Everybody willfully sins at many points.

Do you think it’s possible not to sin? Well, I can assure you that even the Pope sins!

Keep Jesus in your heart and stop worrying about sinning.

Read these passages many times when you’re feeling like you’re letting God down:

John 3:16
Phillipians 4:8
2 Corinthians 5:17
Mathew 11:28-30
Psalm 32:1-2

Jesus loved us so much He died for us.
All He wants is your love. Trust in Him.

God bless you
Fran

 

[porthos11]

N

No, you have not known deep down. As with predestination, reprobation is **known **to man. You may think you feel it, but it’s not an indication of reprobation. God gives sufficient grace to everyone. Perhaps it’s depression, perhaps it’s something else. But you do not know. None of us do, no matter what we feel.

Goodness, in light of CatholicKnight’s possible condition, I can’t let this go uncorrected.

As with predestination, reprobation is UNKNOWN to man. Therefore CatholicKnight’s “feeling” that he is reprobate is his depression (I presume) talking, not some supernatural inkling that he is reprobate.

 

[TonyBS]

I do believe in predestination. Make no mistake, my perdition is of my own choosing. I think we do have choice.

It is not easy for to deal with. The simple truth for me is I am a disgrace. Always really have been.

The best I could do as far doing Gods will, is maybe (just maybe) for about 20 minutes after I go to confession. How people are able to make a conversion and follow Christ for the rest of their lives with out willfully sinning at any point is not something I can relate to.

This has been something I have pretty much known about myself since I was a kid. Always messing up. There are those that would have been better off never being born. Jesus even says that.

I seriously doubt that is the case with you. I seriously doubt it.

The Baha’i view on the progress of the Soul may help you with this. It is a big subject, but here is a snippets of thoughts.

We are told that every soul progresses to the next world and can take 'No Bad" with them. Thus all the virtues are all we can take with us. When we meet God we will now what has escaped us, what our free will chose not to pursue, or to repent of.

Life then becomes a process of Obtaining our Spiritual Limbs, the more we develop the more we take with us.

Thus it is like a Child in the womb, if it does not develop all the needed limbs, organs and senses in the womb, it will face this life at various degrees of disadvantage. If we enter the next world with only one virtue we are remote from God and will know of that remoteness, thus “Hell”.

The more virtues we obtain the closer we are to God when we pass on and thus closer to 'Heaven".

This has many many explanations and is a good subject to be aware of.

Regards Tony

 

[frangiuliano115]

The Baha’i view on the progress of the Soul may help you with this. It is a big subject, but here is a snippets of thoughts.

We are told that every soul progresses to the next world and can take 'No Bad" with them. Thus all the virtues are all we can take with us. When we meet God we will now what has escaped us, what our free will chose not to pursue, or to repent of.

Life then becomes a process of Obtaining our Spiritual Limbs, the more we develop the more we take with us.

Thus it is like a Child in the womb, if it does not develop all the needed limbs, organs and senses in the womb, it will face this life at various degrees of disadvantage. If we enter the next world with only one virtue we are remote from God and will know of that remoteness, thus “Hell”.

The more virtues we obtain the closer we are to God when we pass on and thus closer to 'Heaven".

This has many many explanations and is a good subject to be aware of.

Regards Tony

Hello TonyBS,

You are of the Baha’i faith and very far from what catholics or christians believe.

What you say sounds very nice, but if it’s read well, one will find that you believe we enter heaven and the presence of God by our own good works. We believe the bible is the Word of God and the bible tells us that our works do not save us.

If we can’t take the “bad” with us to heaven, exactly who do yo think is going to be in heaven? And how exactly do we grow those limbs?

The Baha’i faith is made up of very nice people - the problem is, Who is your God?
We believe Jesus is God, not a nice prophet. We believe Jesus is our redeemer and by following Him we can enter into God’s presence.

Actually, TonyBS, I have a feeling you already know all this so I won’t go any further.
This post is to encourage CatholicKnight if he’s around, not to debate with you.

Fran

 

[TonyBS]

Hello TonyBS,

You are of the Baha’i faith and very far from what catholics or christians believe.

What you say sounds very nice, but if it’s read well, one will find that you believe we enter heaven and the presence of God by our own good works. We believe the bible is the Word of God and the bible tells us that our works do not save us.

If we can’t take the “bad” with us to heaven, exactly who do yo think is going to be in heaven? And how exactly do we grow those limbs?

The Baha’i faith is made up of very nice people - the problem is, Who is your God?
We believe Jesus is God, not a nice prophet. We believe Jesus is our redeemer and by following Him we can enter into God’s presence.

Actually, TonyBS, I have a feeling you already know all this so I won’t go any further.
This post is to encourage CatholicKnight if he’s around, not to debate with you.

Fran

Fran - Yes dear friend - Our works require us to have Accepted Christ as our Savior as a prerequisite. Bu Yes as a Bahai I believe this carries through to Baha’ullah.

I do not think our beliefs are far apart, in fact I think we will find more common ground than we can consider!

We grow the limbs first by acceptance and then by following to obtain the virtues. Christ said lok for the good in everyone, everyone has good. What good we do have goes with us, no bad can.

Big Subject Regards Tony

 

[frangiuliano115]

Fran - Yes dear friend - Our works require us to have Accepted Christ as our Savior as a prerequisite. Bu Yes as a Bahai I believe this carries through to Baha’ullah.

I do not think our beliefs are far apart, in fact I think we will find more common ground than we can consider!

We grow the limbs first by acceptance and then by following to obtain the virtues. Christ said lok for the good in everyone, everyone has good. What good we do have goes with us, no bad can.

Big Subject Regards Tony

I don’t remember where Jesus said to look for the good in everyone. I remember Him more saying that the bad needs to be removed from everyone. Like in the beautitudes, for instance. Where He teaches how we SHOULD be. Or when He ate with sinners so He could explain the “kingdom” to them and convert them. Or when he healed the blind so they could SEE. Most of us are blind, Tony - only our Father in heaven is good…

I do think it’s important to stress that we believe Jesus is God. I don’t believe you think Baha’Ullah is God.

But yes. Big subject.

Fran

 

[Servant19]

I don’t remember where Jesus said to look for the good in everyone.

I don’t recall Jesus saying it either, but seeing God in all things is a central tenet of Ignatian spirituality, and a fundamental value of Catholic teaching

.

 

[frangiuliano115]

I don’t recall Jesus saying it either, but seeing God in all things is a central tenet of Ignatian spirituality, and a fundamental value of Catholic teaching

.

Hello Kam

A bit more freedom here.

Two things:

Please reply to what you think about the resurrection. If the resurrection is true, Jesus is God. If the resurrection is not true, He is not God and the apostles were liars and worse. Also a bit stupid since they changed their whole life to spread the gospel, for no apparent gain, and also died for it. Yes, I’m afraid christianity does hinge on this.

“Seeing God in all things” - As I said, I don’t know your religion enough. Is this the same to you as God IS IN all things? If you see God in all things you acknowledge that He made them and are thankful for it. If you think God is in everything then everything becomes a god.

Re Krishna and Baha’u’llah: I don’t believe they ever claimed to be God. They might have claimed to be a god in the sense of a messenger of God or something to that affect. I won’t insist because I’m not knowledgeable enough, however I do remember studying that no other “prophet” ever claimed to be God.

Gosh. I remember the Krishna’s from NYC in the '60’s.
Did I just give away my age??

Fran
Do you know Tony?

 

[TonyBS]

I don’t remember where Jesus said to look for the good in everyone. I remember Him more saying that the bad needs to be removed from everyone. Like in the beautitudes, for instance. Where He teaches how we SHOULD be. Or when He ate with sinners so He could explain the “kingdom” to them and convert them. Or when he healed the blind so they could SEE. Most of us are blind, Tony - only our Father in heaven is good…

I do think it’s important to stress that we believe Jesus is God. I don’t believe you think Baha’Ullah is God.

But yes. Big subject.

Fran

Fran - Yes most likely not an exact quote can be found, but much Like this Romans 8:28 “And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose”.

And maybe we could apply this as well

Philippians 4:8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

Thus to me if we we are to have Sin Covering Eyes then, would it not be to the Good we only look.

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[TonyBS]

Hello Kam

A bit more freedom here.

Two things:

Please reply to what you think about the resurrection. If the resurrection is true, Jesus is God. If the resurrection is not true, He is not God and the apostles were liars and worse. Also a bit stupid since they changed their whole life to spread the gospel, for no apparent gain, and also died for it. Yes, I’m afraid christianity does hinge on this.

“Seeing God in all things” - As I said, I don’t know your religion enough. Is this the same to you as God IS IN all things? If you see God in all things you acknowledge that He made them and are thankful for it. If you think God is in everything then everything becomes a god.

Re Krishna and Baha’u’llah: I don’t believe they ever claimed to be God. They might have claimed to be a god in the sense of a messenger of God or something to that affect. I won’t insist because I’m not knowledgeable enough, however I do remember studying that no other “prophet” ever claimed to be God.

Gosh. I remember the Krishna’s from NYC in the '60’s.
Did I just give away my age??

Fran
Do you know Tony?

Fran - Yes you did! But I also remember them in the early 70s as well

Can I suggest there is another way to look at it which makes no one a Liar

May I also say to you, with no ill intent inferred, that you may not find a Stronger Christian then a BAHA’I We just have a slightly different Frame of Reference to the subject. But we will never deny Christ, We would Deny God if we did.

I will let Kam answer as to work I must return.

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[frangiuliano115]

Fran - Yes most likely not an exact quote can be found, but much Like this Romans 8:28 “And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose”.

And maybe we could apply this as well

Philippians 4:8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

Thus to me if we we are to have Sin Covering Eyes then, would it not be to the Good we only look.

God Bless and Regards Tony

Hello Tony,

I wasn’t looking for a specific quote since I know one doesn’t exist. I really don’t find the concept in the bible either. Not all concepts are specifically stated. Also, Paul said the above and not Jesus although he was teaching what Jesus had said so we’ll put that aside.

Love Philippians 4:8. One of my favorite and that I try to follow but sometimes it’s not easy!

Romans 8:28. God can use anything for the good, even when bad things happen to us. It’s not really talking about the good in people.

See. This is what I mean. You know a lot about different religions but you’re not being convicted by one particular religion except yours, which is very new. Now I’m getting mixed up between you and Kam, sorry, can’t go back and look up - not a lot of time - but which religion most convicts you? Which one makes you understand God more?

We christians believe you have to believe in Jesus in order to be saved. Saved from what? And this could go on forever… Saved from everything - on this earth and in the next life.

And the Sin Covering Eyes. I have difficulty with this too. If you can’t see the sin, how do you eradicate it?

And how would someone of your faith become “unsaved”?

Fran

 

[frangiuliano115]

Fran - Yes you did! But I also remember them in the early 70s as well

Can I suggest there is another way to look at it which makes no one a Liar

May I also say to you, with no ill intent inferred, that you may not find a Stronger Christian then a BAHA’I We just have a slightly different Frame of Reference to the subject. But we will never deny Christ, We would Deny God if we did.

I will let Kam answer as to work I must return.

God Bless and Regards Tony

Okay Tony. But I’m still older than you are! Is that a plus or a minus???

What other way could there possibly be of understanding the resurrection???

And then we’re going to have to stop because it’s a bit off topic, although you do have to believe in the resurrection to be saved and to be a christian.

Regarding you being a stronger christian than maybe christians - this is a fallacy. Because you’re intending (sorry if I’m mistaken) that, once again, it’s your goodness that saves you. Atheists could be good too. Christians don’t believe your goodness could save you but that it could bring you to salvation. Yeah. Big subject.

Fran

 

[Servant19]

Hello Kam

A bit more freedom here.

Two things:

Please reply to what you think about the resurrection. If the resurrection is true, Jesus is God. If the resurrection is not true, He is not God and the apostles were liars and worse. Also a bit stupid since they changed their whole life to spread the gospel, for no apparent gain, and also died for it. Yes, I’m afraid christianity does hinge on this.

“Seeing God in all things” - As I said, I don’t know your religion enough. Is this the same to you as God IS IN all things? If you see God in all things you acknowledge that He made them and are thankful for it. If you think God is in everything then everything becomes a god.

Re Krishna and Baha’u’llah: I don’t believe they ever claimed to be God. They might have claimed to be a god in the sense of a messenger of God or something to that affect. I won’t insist because I’m not knowledgeable enough, however I do remember studying that no other “prophet” ever claimed to be God.

Gosh. I remember the Krishna’s from NYC in the '60’s.
Did I just give away my age??

Fran
Do you know Tony?

Bahais interpret the resurrection as having more significance for its spiritual meaning. Miracles are not as important as the spiritual intention and outcome. Jesus Christ lives today and influences the world in so many ways. That’s the significance.

Bahai teachings are comfortable with whether you think Jesus is God or Jesus is not God. What is more important is what these concepts mean to you and what it creates in your inner condition and how that manifests itself in your deeds.

Where Ignatian spirituality talks about “seeing God in all things” it is a reference, not to pantheism, but a reference to the fact that God has placed his attributes in all created things. We must look for and focus on His attributes, and they can be found everywhere.

In regards to Krishna and Baha’u’llah, they both claimed to be God. I’m sure Google will be your friend for that search, it’s not hard to find the relevant verses

Besides, let us be clear, Jesus claimed more towards being a Messenger of God, than a clear cut “I am God”.

Hope that helps to clarify a few things

.

 

[frangiuliano115]

Bahais interpret the resurrection as having more significance for its spiritual meaning. Miracles are not as important as the spiritual intention and outcome. Jesus Christ lives today and influences the world in so many ways. That’s the significance.

Bahai teachings are comfortable with whether you think Jesus is God or Jesus is not God. What is more important is what these concepts mean to you and what it creates in your inner condition and how that manifests itself in your deeds.

Where Ignatian spirituality talks about “seeing God in all things” it is a reference, not to pantheism, but a reference to the fact that God has placed his attributes in all created things. We must look for and focus on His attributes, and they can be found everywhere.

In regards to Krishna and Baha’u’llah, they both claimed to be God. I’m sure Google will be your friend for that search, it’s not hard to find the relevant verses

Besides, let us be clear, Jesus claimed more towards being a Messenger of God, than a clear cut “I am God”.

Hope that helps to clarify a few things

.

And, herein lies the difference between christianity and every other religion. We believe Jesus is God. Seems to me He leaves no wiggle room there. Listen to me - either he was God or He was a crazy man. I insist on this. Jesus forgave people’s sins. The Jews believed only God could forgive sin. So Jesus must have thought He was God? Only a crazy person thinks he’s God. Did Krishna or Buddha forgive sins? No. And they never claimed to.

Buddha was a man and never claimed to be God. I don’t need Professor google to know that. Krishna thought he was some kind of divine person, but he never said he was God. Muhammad never claimed to be God.

Jesus claimed to be God. In Exodus 3:14 God refers to Himself to Moses as “I AM”.
In John 8:58 Jesus refers to Himself as I AM. Some pharisees and Jews that were with Him became very angry and started to throw stones at Him. Why? Because He was claiming to be God. He claimed to be the great I AM - or Yahweh. God.

Also see John 10.33. “For good works we do not stone you, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a man, make yourself out to be God.”

Another important passage is Mathew 16:13-17. Peter told Jesus that He was The Christ, the Son of the LIving God, and Jesus confirmed it. And also important, telling Peter that flesh and blood had not revealed this to him, but Jesus’ Father who was in heaven.

This is important because unlike every other religion, christianity cannot be accepted with reason alone. We’re asked to believe something supernatural - it cannot be believed with our intellect alone - as can your religion, for instance. Of course there’s a God, of course perfection exists, of course something had to create all we see. Thus, simple to believe in God.

But our God has a name. He revealed Himself. He went to a cross, he was seen after dying. Kam, if the resurrection isn’t true - I’m ready to pack my bags!

Many see it as a spiritual type of resurrection. This cannot be accepted by a reasonable person, and you seem so reasonable. Thomas, the famous doubter, didn’t believe Jesus could have resurrected. But when he put his finger and hand in Jesus’ side, he declared “My Lord and My God!” There’s no way around this.

Jesus cannot be accepted as a prophet and the resurrection cannot be accepted as spiritual. Christians don’t like the fact that other religions lump Jesus into a hodge podge of belief sysems. We don’t believe in a system - we believe in a person. NOT a person who brings us to God, but God who became a person.

I can’t be comfortable with believing Jesus is not God. And neither would you if you were christian. If Jesus thought he was just a messenger from God, He was a pretty darn arrogant one! He said to go and baptize in the Name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit - putting Himself on the same plain with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

This also kind of denies your contention that Jesus IS the Holy Spirit. He clearly separates Himself.

i refer back to my original statement:

Tolerance is the virtue
of a man with no conviction.
GK Chesterton

You seem to accept everything - which means you value nothing.

Fran
I’m hoping these written words are coming through properly - I speak with christianly love toward you.

 

[Seekerjn316]

And, herein lies the difference between christianity and every other religion. We believe Jesus is God. Seems to me He leaves no wiggle room there. Listen to me - either he was God or He was a crazy man. I insist on this. Jesus forgave people’s sins. The Jews believed only God could forgive sin. So Jesus must have thought He was God? Only a crazy person thinks he’s God. Did Krishna or Buddha forgive sins? No. And they never claimed to.

Buddha was a man and never claimed to be God. I don’t need Professor google to know that. Krishna thought he was some kind of divine person, but he never said he was God. Muhammad never claimed to be God.

Jesus claimed to be God. In Exodus 3:14 God refers to Himself to Moses as “I AM”.
In John 8:58 Jesus refers to Himself as I AM. Some pharisees and Jews that were with Him became very angry and started to throw stones at Him. Why? Because He was claiming to be God. He claimed to be the great I AM - or Yahweh. God.

Also see John 10.33. “For good works we do not stone you, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a man, make yourself out to be God.”

Another important passage is Mathew 16:13-17. Peter told Jesus that He was The Christ, the Son of the LIving God, and Jesus confirmed it. And also important, telling Peter that flesh and blood had not revealed this to him, but Jesus’ Father who was in heaven.

This is important because unlike every other religion, christianity cannot be accepted with reason alone. We’re asked to believe something supernatural - it cannot be believed with our intellect alone - as can your religion, for instance. Of course there’s a God, of course perfection exists, of course something had to create all we see. Thus, simple to believe in God.

But our God has a name. He revealed Himself. He went to a cross, he was seen after dying. Kam, if the resurrection isn’t true - I’m ready to pack my bags!

Many see it as a spiritual type of resurrection. This cannot be accepted by a reasonable person, and you seem so reasonable. Thomas, the famous doubter, didn’t believe Jesus could have resurrected. But when he put his finger and hand in Jesus’ side, he declared “My Lord and My God!” There’s no way around this.

Jesus cannot be accepted as a prophet and the resurrection cannot be accepted as spiritual. Christians don’t like the fact that other religions lump Jesus into a hodge podge of belief sysems. We don’t believe in a system - we believe in a person. NOT a person who brings us to God, but God who became a person.

I can’t be comfortable with believing Jesus is not God. And neither would you if you were christian. If Jesus thought he was just a messenger from God, He was a pretty darn arrogant one! He said to go and baptize in the Name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit - putting Himself on the same plain with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

This also kind of denies your contention that Jesus IS the Holy Spirit. He clearly separates Himself.

i refer back to my original statement:

Tolerance is the virtue
of a man with no conviction.
GK Chesterton

You seem to accept everything - which means you value nothing.

Fran
I’m hoping these written words are coming through properly - I speak with christianly love toward you.

Another option the gospels aren’t things Jesus said about himself, but the gospels are a reflection of what his followers had come to believe about him…to them He was God Incarnate, so this belief in the Incarnation, was written down in liturgical and mythic language to convey what the early Christian communities had come to accept some 40 to 60 years + later down the road.

 

[TonyBS]

Hello Tony,

And the Sin Covering Eyes. I have difficulty with this too. If you can’t see the sin, how do you eradicate it?

And how would someone of your faith become “unsaved”?

Fran

It is not that you can not see it, Christ saw all.

We eradicate it by changing ourselves, being the example and thus teach it.

“Unsaved” Is just a word used but it is Sin Against the Holy Spirit. It can be seen like this, If one Accepts Christ and becomes a follower, then Pride gets in the way and He then attempts to Joins Partners with Him to vaunt His own Ideas for people to follow Him as a partner in Christ, or worse as Christ, then this is Spiritual Death.

Of course this is but one small explanation, there is many extremes of this.

Regards Tony

 

[TonyBS]

Okay Tony. But I’m still older than you are! Is that a plus or a minus???

What other way could there possibly be of understanding the resurrection???

And then we’re going to have to stop because it’s a bit off topic, although you do have to believe in the resurrection to be saved and to be a christian.

Regarding you being a stronger christian than maybe christians - this is a fallacy. Because you’re intending (sorry if I’m mistaken) that, once again, it’s your goodness that saves you. Atheists could be good too. Christians don’t believe your goodness could save you but that it could bring you to salvation. Yeah. Big subject.

Fran

Age is sometimes and advantage, sometimes not

To talk about the subject would not be off topic as it does tie into “Unsaved”

But I will leave it there apart to say, no dear friend there is no goodness in me, that I can assure you 100%

If any good can be seen in me, know it is not me but from whom we all search for.

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[frangiuliano115]

Another option the gospels aren’t things Jesus said about himself, but the gospels are a reflection of what his followers had come to believe about him…to them He was God Incarnate, so this belief in the Incarnation, was written down in liturgical and mythic language to convey what the early Christian communities had come to accept some 40 to 60 years + later down the road.

You either didn’t read my post no. 54, or you didn’t understand it.

There can be no further answer from me.

If the language in the bible was liturgical and mythical, the apostles were liars and deceivers, unable to understand what they witnessed or malicious enough to twist it to their ideals - which they died for. Well then, we can just all of us, christians I mean, remove all crosses from everywhere and go home.

Fran

 

[frangiuliano115]

Age is sometimes and advantage, sometimes not

To talk about the subject would not be off topic as it does tie into “Unsaved”

But I will leave it there apart to say, no dear friend there is no goodness in me, that I can assure you 100%

If any good can be seen in me, know it is not me but from whom we all search for.

God Bless and Regards Tony

Hi Tony,

I agree with your post no. 56. See, we agree on a lot. It’s always Jesus that creates a problem. The Stumbling Block. He predicted He would be! You’ve stumbled over Him. Take a second look.

If the goodness in you comes from God, it is good.

God keep you pure of heart.

Fran

 

[arthra]

I have some evangelical protestant friends who I discuss faith with. In a discussion about salvation, I asked them if they could be “unsaved,” using the example of a “saved” person committing murder. The question caught them off guard, but their response was that the person probably wasn’t really “saved” to begin with. This didn’t make sense to me, but I couldn’t think of a good way to try and point them in the right direction.
Any suggestions?

The issue of being “saved” I know is one that occupies many of my Christian friends… and there is the controversy can you be saved through works or faith or both… I think for Baha’is recognizing who the Manifestation of God is for this age is uppermost but along with that is following His teachings. The two are equally important.

But there are some statements about humanity being saved and I’ll quote a few here:

*You ask if, through the appearance of the Kingdom of God, every soul hath been saved. The Sun of Reality hath appeared to all the world. This Luminous Appearance is salvation and life; but only he who hath opened the eye of reality and who hath seen these lights will be saved. *

~ Abdu’l-Baha, Tablets of Abdu’l-Baha v2, p. 322

Another statement:

“…the world of humanity cannot be saved from the darkness of nature, and cannot attain illumination, except through the abandonment of prejudices and the acquisition of the morals of the Kingdom…”

~ Abdu’l-Baha, Foundations of World Unity, p. 29

Did Baha’u’llah say He was God? someone asked above… Yes but you need to understand the context…

“Were any of the all-embracing Manifestations of God to declare: “I am God,” He, verily, speaketh the truth, and no doubt attacheth thereto. For it hath been repeatedly demonstrated that through their Revelation, their attributes and names, the Revelation of God, His names and His attributes, are made manifest in the world.”
(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 53)