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Servant19
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You are a gem of a soul Fran
Don’t let anyone sway you from your spiritual path. In many aspects, you are what I aspire to be as a human being.
God bless you!
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Don’t let anyone sway you from your spiritual path. In many aspects, you are what I aspire to be as a human being.
God bless you!
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Faithful_Seeker
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The faith has always been passed down from those to whom it was committed to the disciples being formed in the paradosis. Jesus is the model of paradosis, and the Apostles passed this method of forming disciples to the Church.
I find your assertions and judgments inappropriate and offensive. You have not earned the right to tell me how I should learn about my faith.
It seems as though you would like to have the freedom to make judgmental assertions, then not be held accountable for what you have said, because being held accountable is suddently “bickering”. I agree with you, bickering is a waste of time. Holding you accountable for statements you have made on a public forum, on the other hand, is a good investment of time.
Jesus never intended for there to be denominations.
Yes, you certainly have the right to address my assertions, just as I have the right to address yours. It is only by addressing the confusions that we will come to understand each other.
Yes, the Catholic Church also canonized and promulgated the Septuagint along with the 27 books of the New Testament. We are in agreement that all that is written in the OT is valid and was written for our instruction as Christians. Jesus fulfilled the OT, and we cannot fully understand and appreciate what He has brought us without understanding the foundation upon which it was laid.
We might have to “argue” about that premise, though, since it came through my internet class on OT theology.
Wish I had time to comment!! A thumbs up will have to do for now.
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frangiuliano115
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HELLO SERVANT19
Your words are always so encouraging. Surely the Light of God is in your soul.
Here we are, on that spiritual path you speak of. But we get sidetracked, concentrating on historical details regarding christianity, wondering exactly what each word of a doctrine means, quoting this saint or that saint, this church father or that church father - many times there is not even agreement between the two, or they have a different way of undersanding ideas.
For others we demand justice
But for ourselves we ask mercy
The institution is worshiped instead of the instituter. Jesus is lost in the mix. The Word of God is made of null effect.
Christianity is not how and what we do, but WHY we do.
Christianity is not a doing - christianity is a being. We are called to be something. To reflect that light which is God. To listen to each other, to edify each other, to learn and to teach and to accept and to share.
First Jesus taught the beautitudes, when He took a sitting position on that hill, maybe overlooking the Sea of Galilee, the position of a teacher with authority, ready to teach. Moses went up Mt. Sinai and came down with 10 commandments written in stone, Jesus went up a Mount to give us commandments written in our hearts. He had a vision of how the world should be; one of humility and love. He didn’t want a person to obey, He wanted a transformation. Many don’t understand this.
AFTER teaching the beatitudes - how a person should BE - then he continued to teach law. Yes. There also has to be a law, but it came after learning to be thirsting for righteousness, being poor in spirit (understanding how much one needs God), mourning, being meek, being merciful, being peacemakers.
How do you follow the law if there in no transformation? And if there is a transformation, do you really need the law? If there is no humility and mercy, God’s Law becomes nothing but legalism.
The Law was not given to Moses just to be followed, just to make our lives “better and orderly” as we teach our children. It was also given to show man that he is a sinner. If there is no law, there is no sin. The law uncovered our sinfulness. What is the solution? Jesus is the solution.
In all our words and actions, we should always remember Jesus! the Light that shines in the darkness.
God’s blessings,
Fran
Your words are always so encouraging. Surely the Light of God is in your soul.
Here we are, on that spiritual path you speak of. But we get sidetracked, concentrating on historical details regarding christianity, wondering exactly what each word of a doctrine means, quoting this saint or that saint, this church father or that church father - many times there is not even agreement between the two, or they have a different way of undersanding ideas.
For others we demand justice
But for ourselves we ask mercy
The institution is worshiped instead of the instituter. Jesus is lost in the mix. The Word of God is made of null effect.
Christianity is not how and what we do, but WHY we do.
Christianity is not a doing - christianity is a being. We are called to be something. To reflect that light which is God. To listen to each other, to edify each other, to learn and to teach and to accept and to share.
First Jesus taught the beautitudes, when He took a sitting position on that hill, maybe overlooking the Sea of Galilee, the position of a teacher with authority, ready to teach. Moses went up Mt. Sinai and came down with 10 commandments written in stone, Jesus went up a Mount to give us commandments written in our hearts. He had a vision of how the world should be; one of humility and love. He didn’t want a person to obey, He wanted a transformation. Many don’t understand this.
AFTER teaching the beatitudes - how a person should BE - then he continued to teach law. Yes. There also has to be a law, but it came after learning to be thirsting for righteousness, being poor in spirit (understanding how much one needs God), mourning, being meek, being merciful, being peacemakers.
How do you follow the law if there in no transformation? And if there is a transformation, do you really need the law? If there is no humility and mercy, God’s Law becomes nothing but legalism.
The Law was not given to Moses just to be followed, just to make our lives “better and orderly” as we teach our children. It was also given to show man that he is a sinner. If there is no law, there is no sin. The law uncovered our sinfulness. What is the solution? Jesus is the solution.
In all our words and actions, we should always remember Jesus! the Light that shines in the darkness.
God’s blessings,
Fran
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TonyBS
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Dear Fran - Would agree you may be interesed in what one could be called the Beatatudes of the Bahai Faith
"Blessed the slumberer who is awakened by My Breeze.
"Blessed the lifeless one who is quickened through My reviving breaths.
"Blessed the eye that is solaced by gazing at My beauty.
"Blessed the wayfarer who directeth his steps towards the Tabernacle of My glory and majesty.
"Blessed the distressed one who seeketh refuge beneath the shadow of My canopy.
"Blessed the sore athirst who hasteneth to the soft-flowing waters of My loving-kindness.
"Blessed the insatiate soul who casteth away his selfish desires for love of Me and taketh his place at
the banquet table which I have sent down from the heaven of divine bounty for My chosen ones.
"Blessed the abased one who layeth fast hold on the cord of My glory; and the needy one who entereth beneath the shadow of the Tabernacle of My wealth.
"Blessed the ignorant one who seeketh the fountain of My knowledge; and the heedless one who
cleaveth to the cord of My remembrance.
"Blessed the soul that hath been raised to life through My quickening breath and hath gained admittance into My heavenly Kingdom.
"Blessed the man whom the sweet savours of reunion with Me have stirred and caused to draw nigh unto the Dayspring of My Revelation.
"Blessed the ear that hath heard and the tongue that hath borne witness and the eye that hath seen and recognized the Lord Himself, in His great glory and majesty, invested with grandeur and dominion.
"Blessed are they that have attained His presence.
"Blessed the man who hath sought enlightenment from the Day-Star of My Word.
"Blessed he who hath attired his head with the diadem of My love.
"Blessed is he who hath heard of My grief and hath arisen to aid Me among My people.
"Blessed is he who hath laid down his life in My path and hath borne manifold hardships for the sake of My Name.
"Blessed the man who, assured of My Word, hath arisen from among the dead to celebrate My praise.
"Blessed is he that hath been enraptured by My wondrous melodies and hath rent the veils asunder through the potency of My might.
"Blessed is he who hath remained faithful to My Covenant, and whom the things of the world have not kept back from attaining My Court of holiness.
"Blessed is the man who hath detached himself from all else but Me, hath soared in the atmosphere of My love, hath gained admittance into My Kingdom, gazed upon My realms of glory, quaffed the living waters of My bounty, hath drunk his fill from the heavenly river of My loving providence, acquainted himself with My Cause, apprehended that which I concealed within the treasury of My Words, and hath shone forth from the horizon of divine knowledge engaged in My praise and glorification.
“Verily, he is of Me. Upon him rest My mercy, My loving-kindness, My bounty and My glory.”
Lawh-i-Aqdas(Tablet to the Christians), reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/TB/tb-3.html
Bod Bless
Regards Tony
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guanophore
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Fran, keep in mind where you are. Catholic Answers Forum is first and formost an apologetics site. Discussion of all these topics does not need to “sidetrack” us from our spirituality. Although it is an important aspect of evangelism, apologetics is only one part of faith formation. I am the first to admit that the winning of souls does not happen well on the internet, It is a place to exchange ideas and information, and to some extent it will help people along the path, but you are right on when you say that the first step is a personal encounter with Jesus.
Naturally we see it differently. You and I have a very different understanding of the nature and purpose of the Church. In my view, Jesus is not separated from His One Body.
I would say it is both, but I do agree with your point.
I agree with this too. That being said, if you come to CAF claiming to be a Catholic Catechist asserting that the Church no longer teaches the infallible doctrines she has maintained since the early centuries, you are going to get some blowback.
Not all of us have black and white/either or thinking Fran. Some of us believe that obedience and transformation can go together. Some of us believe that transformation creates the ability and desire to be obedient. :yup:
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frangiuliano115
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Thank you Tony,Dear Fran - Would agree you may be interesed in what one could be called the Beatatudes of the Bahai Faith
"Blessed the slumberer who is awakened by My Breeze.
"Blessed the lifeless one who is quickened through My reviving breaths.
"Blessed the eye that is solaced by gazing at My beauty.
"Blessed the wayfarer who directeth his steps towards the Tabernacle of My glory and majesty.
"Blessed the distressed one who seeketh refuge beneath the shadow of My canopy.
"Blessed the sore athirst who hasteneth to the soft-flowing waters of My loving-kindness.
"Blessed the insatiate soul who casteth away his selfish desires for love of Me and taketh his place at
the banquet table which I have sent down from the heaven of divine bounty for My chosen ones.
"Blessed the abased one who layeth fast hold on the cord of My glory; and the needy one who entereth beneath the shadow of the Tabernacle of My wealth.
"Blessed the ignorant one who seeketh the fountain of My knowledge; and the heedless one who
cleaveth to the cord of My remembrance.
"Blessed the soul that hath been raised to life through My quickening breath and hath gained admittance into My heavenly Kingdom.
"Blessed the man whom the sweet savours of reunion with Me have stirred and caused to draw nigh unto the Dayspring of My Revelation.
"Blessed the ear that hath heard and the tongue that hath borne witness and the eye that hath seen and recognized the Lord Himself, in His great glory and majesty, invested with grandeur and dominion.
"Blessed are they that have attained His presence.
"Blessed the man who hath sought enlightenment from the Day-Star of My Word.
"Blessed he who hath attired his head with the diadem of My love.
"Blessed is he who hath heard of My grief and hath arisen to aid Me among My people.
"Blessed is he who hath laid down his life in My path and hath borne manifold hardships for the sake of My Name.
"Blessed the man who, assured of My Word, hath arisen from among the dead to celebrate My praise.
"Blessed is he that hath been enraptured by My wondrous melodies and hath rent the veils asunder through the potency of My might.
"Blessed is he who hath remained faithful to My Covenant, and whom the things of the world have not kept back from attaining My Court of holiness.
"Blessed is the man who hath detached himself from all else but Me, hath soared in the atmosphere of My love, hath gained admittance into My Kingdom, gazed upon My realms of glory, quaffed the living waters of My bounty, hath drunk his fill from the heavenly river of My loving providence, acquainted himself with My Cause, apprehended that which I concealed within the treasury of My Words, and hath shone forth from the horizon of divine knowledge engaged in My praise and glorification.
“Verily, he is of Me. Upon him rest My mercy, My loving-kindness, My bounty and My glory.”
Lawh-i-Aqdas(Tablet to the Christians), reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/TB/tb-3.html
Bod Bless
Regards Tony
Very beautiful. Will have to print it out.
Maybe these should be our goals!
God bless you
Fran
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Vico
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Catholic belief is that one is predestined to salvation by God, in which case the sufficient grace is efficacious. When the person is not saved it is because the sufficient grace was not efficacious through the free will choice of the person. If there is the state of grace at death a person is saved, so how can one accurately say that they are saved before that moment occurs?
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TonyBS
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Thank you Fran, I enjoy your Fellowship and always happy to pursue the Love of God with you and all.
Regards Tony
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