Unscriptural Protestant Beliefs

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So OK, should I paint you with the same brush since you are all Non-Catholics? There are just too many of you to make the distinction of who believes in infant baptism and who doesn’t … which of you believes in OSAS and who doesn’t. I do not have a choice because there are just too many to distinguish from the other. What are we supposed to do?

I put the Mormons in there because I don’t know much about them, I just thought they’re just another group that broke off from the others. I think of JW’s as protestants too, are they? dunno.
I think that a fundamental test as to whether a particular denomination or sect is Christian in its doctrine is whether it holds to an orthodox understanding of the Trinity. Despite their many other problems, most Protestants denominations do correctly understand the Trinity. This is in contrast to the LDS which has a very strange understanding of the Trinity and the Jehovahs Witnesses which believe that Christ is a created being.
 
=Loboto-Me;6589615]So OK, should I paint you with the same brush since you are all Non-Catholics? There are just too many of you to make the distinction of who believes in infant baptism and who doesn’t … which of you believes in OSAS and who doesn’t. I do not have a choice because there are just too many to distinguish from the other. What are we supposed to do?
No. You shouldn’t paint anyone with a broad brush when it comes to their beliefs.
If you want to know the distinctions, put up a thread that asks, n-C Christian churches, what do you believe? Generalizing and broad brushing only leads to misunderstandings.
Baptists don’t want to be grouped with Lutherans (or the other way around), for example.
I think of JW’s as protestants too, are they? dunno.
They’re not.
Posted by Matthew P Muehl:
NO infant baptism
O.S.A.S.
The bible is the only authority.
Anyone can interpret scripture…
#]Lutherans and many other Baptize infants. I was baptized a month and a day after my birth.
#Lutherans and many others do not believe in OSAS.
#The Bible is the final norm, to which all teaching and teachers are accountable. In Lutheranism, there is authority in the Confessions, the early councils and the creeds.
#Lutherans are not free to interpret scripture as we want, when it comes to doctrine.
We are held to the Lutheran Confessions, as they rightly reflect scripture. I was never
given a copy of the Bible (KJV or otherwise :rolleyes:) and told to go interpret it in any
way I choose. I was catechized to be a confessional Lutheran.

Hope that helps.
Jon
 
No. You shouldn’t paint anyone with a broad brush when it comes to their beliefs.
If you want to know the distinctions, put up a thread that asks, n-C Christian churches, what do you believe? Generalizing and broad brushing only leads to misunderstandings.
Baptists don’t want to be grouped with Lutherans (or the other way around), for example.

They’re not.

#]Lutherans and many other Baptize infants. I was baptized a month and a day after my birth.
#Lutherans and many others do not believe in OSAS.
#The Bible is the final norm, to which all teaching and teachers are accountable. In Lutheranism, there is authority in the Confessions, the early councils and the creeds.
#Lutherans are not free to interpret scripture as we want, when it comes to doctrine.
We are held to the Lutheran Confessions, as they rightly reflect scripture. I was never
given a copy of the Bible (KJV or otherwise :rolleyes:) and told to go interpret it in any
way I choose. I was catechized to be a confessional Lutheran.

Hope that helps.
Jon
Thanks Jon… What i listed is primarily southern baptist. I wasn’t sure of the lutherans.

Matthew
 
Again, denomination does not matter. We are just listing unscriptural protestant beliefs.
 
Thank you for not painting us all with the same brush. Calvinism, in my mind, is a huge scourge in the protestant circle today. It’s not scriptural and is leading many down the wrong path, to their demise - blissfully unaware of the dangers.
I did mention exceptions. But let’s be honest here. I do not know what denomination you are from, maybe you are non denominational, evangelical etc. If you are methodist, this does not apply to you as I mentioned.

Do you believe in once saved always saved? If so, that belief has its origin in Calvin’s interpretation of the scriptures.

Do you not believe in baptismal regeneration? In other words, does baptism save? If not, the origin of that belief , again, originates in Reformed theology.

Many “free will” protestants may not embrace all of the TULPI, but reformed theology has had a huge influence on most protestant traditions that fall outside of Anglicanism and the many denominations that emerged in the 19th century, such as Mormonism, Church of Christ, Seventh day Adventist, etc.

“Believers” baptism versus baptismal regeneration is just one example. There are deep Calvinistic roots in Evangelicalism. Carl F. H. Henry, Scofield, Spurgeon to name a few,… there is a lot of Calvinist influence within evangelical movement alone. Baptist, the largest protestant denomination in the US was at one time, predominately Reformed in its approach to theology.
 
I’ve perused this forum and the information is very fragmented at best. I’m curious to know -if any - what are some protestant beliefs that aren’t found in scripture (besides Sola Scriptura and Sola fide of course…even though sola fide is just a misunderstanding of semantics).

And please can we avoid this not turning into a flame war?

Yours in Christ
One belief that I’ve heard many Protestants say is that they believe that a deceased relative or friend is “watching over” them from heaven. And they don’t mean just looking. They mean that these relatives actively have a hand in their lives.
 
I have to disagree, I think domination matters greatly because like Lutherteach mentions, they don’t want to be painted with a broad brush. We are lumping protestants together yet they one protestant community beleives biblically (sp?) and another doesn’t.

I think that it’s disingenuous to lump them all together. Yet, if I were to ask all the protestants I meet and know what their beliefs are, I could never get it straight and remember who believe’s what. This thread, although asks for what protestants believe that are unscriptural, what about those that don’t believe as their brethren? This person is still a protestant, but really, is it charitable to just say “protestants believe this and that”?

Thank you for setting the Mormon and JW thing straight for me.

Jon, unfortunately in threads like these, we can’t really ask who believes what because it doesn’t lend to that type of discourse… it’s a “general protestant” type of question, yet I don’t feel there’s such a thing as a general protestant anymore. A better question would have been “What do fill in the blanks believe that is non scriptural”. It would be so much easier if we could separate types of non-catholics one from the other. Apparently the JW’s and the Mormons did it right lol! At least now I know that they’re another “breed” altogether and I won’t forget that.
 
Again, denomination does not matter. We are just listing unscriptural protestant beliefs.
That’s fine, windlessuser. May I then suggest that when posters list an “unscriptural belief” they identify its source (denomination, ecclesial community, etc), just so there’s no confusion?

Jon
 
That’s fine, windlessuser. May I then suggest that when posters list an “unscriptural belief” they identify its source (denomination, ecclesial community, etc), just so there’s no confusion?

Jon
Sure, that would be best, as well as a short description of the belief in question.
 
OYE! I mixed you Jon, with Lutheranteach … so sorry, I meant you obviously :o Sorry 'bout that.
 
I have to disagree, I think domination matters greatly because like Lutherteach mentions, they don’t want to be painted with a broad brush. We are lumping protestants together yet they one protestant community beleives biblically (sp?) and another doesn’t.

I think that it’s disingenuous to lump them all together. Yet, if I were to ask all the protestants I meet and know what their beliefs are, I could never get it straight and remember who believe’s what. This thread, although asks for what protestants believe that are unscriptural, what about those that don’t believe as their brethren? This person is still a protestant, but really, is it charitable to just say “protestants believe this and that”?

Thank you for setting the Mormon and JW thing straight for me.

Jon, unfortunately in threads like these, we can’t really ask who believes what because it doesn’t lend to that type of discourse… it’s a “general protestant” type of question, yet I don’t feel there’s such a thing as a general protestant anymore. A better question would have been “What do fill in the blanks believe that is non scriptural”. It would be so much easier if we could separate types of non-catholics one from the other. Apparently the JW’s and the Mormons did it right lol! At least now I know that they’re another “breed” altogether and I won’t forget that.
You make some good points here. I think it is safe to say that one can identify about 5 particular groups of western non-catholic Christians: Lutheran, Anglican, Reformed, anabaptist, etc. Many of the smaller groups, non-denoms, etc, have their roots in Baptist and/or Calvinist thinking. Very few of them are Lutheran or Anglican splinters.
So, one can make some broad generalizations about each of those groups in regards to important doctrines of the faith. Ex: ***all ***Lutherans recognize the real and substantial body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist. It is probably safe to say that most Baptists do not see the Lord’s Supper in that way.

Jon
 
One belief that I’ve heard many Protestants say is that they believe that a deceased relative or friend is “watching over” them from heaven. And they don’t mean just looking. They mean that these relatives actively have a hand in their lives.
Thats very interesting… I didn’t know that.

Thanks, Matthew
 
Do you believe in once saved always saved? If so, that belief has its origin in Calvin’s interpretation of the scriptures.
No - that is my biggest concern with Calvinism. It’s leading people straight and happily to hell.
Do you not believe in baptismal regeneration? In other words, does baptism save? If not, the origin of that belief , again, originates in Reformed theology.
No, I don’t believe in baptismal regeneration. It’s not the act of baptism that saves, It’s by faith through God’s grace that we are saved. Baptism in the outward sign of inward conviction. The Bible tells us that believers were baptized. I know this could be the beginning of a long discussion and will try to get to it more fully soon. But my experence is that discussing such things with Catholics doesn’t usually produce much fruit because I don’t hold to Catholic tradition. I go strictly with scripture.

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=Fair Lady;6592819]No - that is my biggest concern with Calvinism. It’s leading people straight and happily to hell.
I suspect it isn’t our place to decide who is or is not going straight to Hell, happily or not. That said, I agree with your sentiments about Perseverance of Saints.
No, I don’t believe in baptismal regeneration. It’s not the act of baptism that saves, It’s by faith through God’s grace that we are saved. Baptism in the outward sign of inward conviction. The Bible tells us that believers were baptized. I know this could be the beginning of a long discussion and will try to get to it more fully soon. But my experence is that discussing such things with Catholics doesn’t usually produce much fruit because I don’t hold to Catholic tradition. I go strictly with scripture.
Here is where identifying one’s communion is important, and I hope you will take a moment to do so. Lutheran understanding of the Sacrament of Baptism is essentially the same as Catholic: “Baptism now saves you.” And scripture does not specifically limit Baptism to adults. We are told to go into all nations and Baptize. Children and infants are part of nations. Entire families are reported Baptized in scripture. And Christ Himself says, Suffer the little children to come to me, and forbid them not.
Infants have been baptized since the early Church, and rightly so.

Jon
 
I sure you are aware of websites by Ex Catholic Priests who say Protestants have it right.
I think this is something that’s going to go back and forth perpetually - converts convert for a reason, and when the reason is doctrinal they have more to say than when the reason is because you want to marry your spouse in his or her church and weren’t ever that into your own growing up.

When I think of the differences between the faith traditions (or denominations, if you prefer) I try to look for where the Lord has used these differences to bring people to Him from across the faith traditions. That Grace can overcome the hardness of men’s hearts is without question - what I seek is where and how.
 
No - that is my biggest concern with Calvinism. It’s leading people straight and happily to hell.
This begs yet another question for probably yet another topic - if you live believing and convinced that you are following what the Lord intends, will the Lord hold you responsible for what you believe and have been taught your entire life, or for the correct understanding?

Again, that’s probably for another thread, just like baptismal regeneration. Also, we could examine the two different rationale for “once saved always saved” - that of predestination (Calvinist) and that of free choice (an Evangelical theology).

And yes, I agree we should discuss specific beliefs with the intent in mind of attempting to understand how these beliefs were arrived at, given that each of us interprets at least some of Scripture differently from those who are in a different faith tradition. The key here is understanding - what are your assumptions, what is your procession of logic, etc.
But my experence is that discussing such things with Catholics doesn’t usually produce much fruit because I don’t hold to Catholic tradition. I go strictly with scripture.
This is actually helpful - it tells us that we must rely strictly upon Scripture in attempting to convince you of our position. At the same time, you probably aren’t here to be proselytized as much as to understand why on God’s Green Earth we do things the way we do, so still it would be helpful to present our beliefs according to rationale that you are most familiar with, bearing in mind that we consider Scripture differently than you.

Also, I must note that there are likely other Protestants (as you self-affiliate) who would likewise say “I go strictly with Scripture” yet arrive at distinct conclusions. That’s probably more germane to the present conversation.
 
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