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[Isa_Almisry]

In other words, avoiding answering the question again.

Was there a question in there somewhere?

No, chronological order…the order of “events”.

You didn’t list any events.

Which came first? Matthew 18 or Matthew 16?

Oh who am I kidding…you won’t answer.

In the sequence of the text, chapter 18 comes after 16. To jump ahead, again the verb in question is future, prospective, hasn’t happened yet in chapter 16, but present, reality, going on now in 18. Unfortunately for you ultramontanists, 18 is also plural, which is also how the Fathers, including St. Augustine, interpret 16.

Never mind…I just found out why you guys don’t believe in The Catholic Pope…you guys went and created your own!

We had our Catholic Pope before you ultramontanists had yours. Again, documentation.

I guess you’re not going to tell me how the sheep and the lambs could be the same then and if they were, why Jesus would use two different terms to define the same group.

Again, another question dodged. At least you consistent.

I’m always that way with the redundant.

Soo, when Our Lords says woe to the Scribes, Pharisees and hypocrites, he is talking about different groups. I’m sure the Scribes and Pharisees will be relieved to hear that.

You mean, like “your” pope?

Our Pope isn’t the one making outlandish claims. Nor ever had his own secular state to enforce them.

My Russian

Russian? You said your girlfriend was Greek, and that was were you got your vast knowledge of Greek from (LOL).

Or is there else someone else?

Girlfriend tells me that the Orthodox Church doesn’t recognize “Arab orthodox”.

Your girlfriend (no offense meant with the lower case) doesn’t know what she is talking about. Patriarch Ignatius IV of Antioch, the third ranking patriarchate in Orthodoxy is Arab Orthodox. The altar in the patriarch’s cathedral is a gift from the Russian Orthodox Church. That the Arab Orthodox run their own patriarchate is due to the pressure that Russia placed on the Ottomans (and Phanariots). Russian schools for the Arab Orthodox were in large part responsible for the revival of Arabic letters. During the Soviet era, when the Church was forbidden charitible works in Russia, it was allowed to do them in Syria among the Arab Orthodox. The first Orthodox bishop ordained in the New World (then a Russian archdiocese) was the Arab, St. Raphael.

The second ranking patriarchate in Orthodoxy (the one with the real Pope) has an Arab Orthodox eparchy, with an Arab bishop in Tanta.

The senior bishop of SCOBA is the Arab Orthodox metropolitan, Phillip.

And St. John of Damascus, a/k/a yuHanna al-manSuur, was Arabic Orthodox, wrote the epitomy of Orthodoxy, organized the Church hymns, and wrote the Anastais (Resurrection) service of Pascha. Oh, btw, your popes have declared him a doctor of your church.

Maybe that’s why they said you’re wrong.

Is this true?

No. What Russian bishop is she under (or as we would put it, in communion with)?

Let me tell you where Orthodox get their teachings from:

Pope Shenouda III

There’s your “authority”.

Yes, his holiness is an authority.

And he is Orthodox, but just not Eastern Orthodox.

Nor is he Arab. He’s a Copt.

Just by claiming to be an Arab Orthodox, you are acknowledging that he is the supreme authority over your bishops/Patriarchs/etc…and over you.

Ah, like all delusions, Ultramontanism insists the whole of humanity thinks like it does. Shenouda is not an African Vatican.

Since his Holiness is not Arab, nor Eastern Orthodox, he technically has NO authority over me, nor any Arab Orthodox in general. And since the EP outranks him, that eliminates supreme in “supreme authority.”

Since I’ve met and admired His Holiness, I wouldn’t have any problem with him being a “supreme authority over me,” but do you have a point somewhere? That makes a conversation more interesting.

Btw Pope Theodore is the EO Pope of Alexandria.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

There has been a lot of begging the question in this thread. Let’s put our cards on the table. Both the Orthodox Church and the Roman Church claim to be the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church founded by the Apostles.
Rome claims that the other four patriarchates left the Catholic fold and the four patriachates and their daughter churches claim that Rome left the Catholic fold. Let us begin the presentation of evidence.

I submit definition of Faith in the 6 session of the Council of Ephesus.:

Definition of the faith at Nicaea [6th session 22 July 431]
The synod of Nicaea produced this creed: We believe … [the Nicene Creed follows]

It seems fitting that all should assent to this holy creed. It is pious and sufficiently helpful for the whole world. But since some pretend to confess and accept it, while at the same time distorting the force of its expressions to their own opinion and so evading the truth, being sons of error and children of destruction, it has proved necessary to add testimonies from the holy and orthodox fathers that can fill out the meaning they have given to the words and their courage in proclaiming it. All those who have a clear and blameless faith will understand, interpret and proclaim it in this way.

When these documents had been read out, the holy synod decreed the following.

1. It is not permitted to produce or write or compose any other creed except the one which was defined by the holy fathers who were gathered together in the holy Spirit at Nicaea.
2. Any who dare to compose or bring forth or produce another creed for the benefit of those who wish to turn from Hellenism or Judaism or some other heresy to the knowledge of the truth, if they are bishops or clerics they should be deprived of their respective charges and if they are laymen they are to be anathematised.

3)In the same way if any should be discovered, whether bishops, clergy or laity, thinking or teaching the views expressed in his statement by the priest Charisius about the incarnation of the only-begotten Son of God or the disgusting, perverted views of Nestorius, which underlie them, these should be subject to the condemnation of this holy and ecumenical synod. A bishop clearly is to be stripped of his bishopric and deposed, a cleric to be deposed from the clergy, and a lay person is to be anathematised, as was said before.

It is clear from the evidence above that when the bishop of Rome added to the Creed, he was was to be dismissed of his office. This concilar declaration included ALL bishops including the bishop of Rome. Sixtus III, bishop of Rome, himself accepted this decree and made no execption to himself or his episcopal successors. This is proof that the Roman Church left the Catholic Church when they unilaterally changed the creed and excommunicated the other four patriarchates for not following suit.

Just a quick comment before I go back to wade through muck:

Your cogent analysis is a redeeming quality of this thread. I’m sure others are seeing these pearls while others trample them underfoot.

 

[2ndGen]

Just a quick comment before I go back to wade through muck:

Your cogent analysis is a redeeming quality of this thread. I’m sure others are seeing these pearls while others trample them underfoot.

I guess you must’ve missed my response to him then.

 

[VARC]

Thank you Isa. It’s a rather easy case to make if one remains objective and emotionally uninvested.

 

[VARC]

What??
No, the fact that the East and West were together for some 200 years with the Filioque with no council called to excommunicate the Pope for allowing it to be altered dispells your hypothesis.

I missed this post earlier. Where did you get 200 years? Pope Benedict VIII added the Filioque to the Creed in Rome in 1014. The schism happened within one generation.

 

[2ndGen]

Cmon, you know better than that.
Fallacy. Circular argument. Rome is right because Rome says so.

And BTW, your misquoting Augustine…

". . . for already on this matter two councils have sent to the Apostolic See, whence also rescripts (reports) have come. The cause is finished, would that the error may terminate likewise. "

So, Augustine is wrong when I quote a him, but he’s wrong when you quote an out of context, in the middle of a sentence, “fragment” of what He says?

(I’m assuming I’m misquoting him when he proclaims that Peter is The Rock that Jesus built His Church upon too?)

Where’s the rest of that sentence?

And why didn’t you include it when using it?



That “Alpha and Omega Ministeries” site is not particularly fond of using entire quotes is it?

That is a “para-phrase” of his sermon…here is the complete sentence from which that quote is derived:

*In a sermon to his flock, Augus-tine informed them that the pope had ratified the condemnations of the Pelagian heresy pronounced at the councils of Milevi and Carthage. He said “The two councils sent their decrees to the Apostolic See and the decrees quickly came back. The cause is finished; would that the error were as quickly finished (Sermon 131:10).”

This has developed over the centuries into the commonly known formula.

Augustine was commenting on the authority of the pope and the fact that councils of the Church are authoritative only if approved by the bishop of Rome. *

catholic.com/thisrock/1996/9601qq.asp

So…no, he’s not being misquoted.

That is exactly what he said paraphrased.

Do you agree with what he said?

 

[VARC]

So, Augustine is wrong when I quote a him, but he’s wrong when you quote an out of context, in the middle of a sentence, “fragment” of what He says?

You quoted an incomplete and misleading misquote of Augustine. So I called you on it. So what?

(I’m assuming I’m misquoting him when he proclaims that Peter is The Rock that Jesus built His Church upon too?)

Doesn’t really matter to me because he retracted that position

That is a “para-phrase” of his sermon…here is the complete sentence from which that quote is derived:

He said “The two councils sent their decrees to the Apostolic See and the decrees quickly came back. The cause is finished; would that the error were as quickly finished (Sermon 131:10).”

That a far cry from the simplistic “Rome has spoken” mantra. The emphasis of the quote is that Pelagianism has been judged heretical. St Augustine is backing up his view with the Roman approval but his view is not entirely based on Rome conscent.

This has developed over the centuries into the commonly known formula

Don’t you think it’s a little dishonest to take a “formula” “developed over centuries” and retroactively put ascribe those words to Augustine?

Augustine was commenting on the authority of the pope and the fact that councils of the Church are authoritative only if approved by the bishop of Rome.

Fallacy. Card stacking. Remember that Augustine opposed Pope Zosimus declared Pelagius to be orthodox.

That is exactly what he said paraphrased.

That’s an oxymoron if I ever heard one

 

[Isa_Almisry]

What??
No, the fact that the East and West were together for some 200 years with the Filioque with no council called to excommunicate the Pope for allowing it to be altered dispells your hypothesis.

That no council did so is becaue Pope Leo III orbade the addition of “filioque” to the Nicene Creed which was added by Franks in Aachen in 809. He also ordered that the Nicene creed be engraved on silver tablets, and set up in St. Peter’s and St. Paul outside the Walls, so that his conclusion might not be overturned in the future, writing “HAEC LEO POSUI AMORE ET CAUTELA ORTHODOXAE FIDEI” (I, Leo, put here for love and protection of the Orthodox Faith)(VITA LEONIS, LIBER PONTIFICALIS (Ed.Duchene, TII, p.26).

When Pope Nicholas tried to undo this, St. Photius championed said Orthodox Faith: in the Council of 879 which vindicated him, it reiterated the bans of the Ecumenical Councils on composing a different Creed, with specific reference to the filioque.

When pope Benedict VIII inserted it in the Creed (as commanded by the German emperor Henry IV, who also enforced the suppression of clerical marriage, and had put Benedict on the throne in Rome) in 1014, the popes name, according to canon, was removed from the diptychs. And when the German pope Leo IX send his legates to enforce it on the Catholic Church, they succeeded in only excommuicating themselves.

 

[2ndGen]

Was there a question in there somewhere?

 

[2ndGen]

Your girlfriend (no offense meant with the lower case) doesn’t know what she is talking about. Patriarch Ignatius IV of Antioch, the third ranking patriarchate in Orthodoxy is Arab Orthodox. The altar in the patriarch’s cathedral is a gift from the Russian Orthodox Church. That the Arab Orthodox run their own patriarchate is due to the pressure that Russia placed on the Ottomans (and Phanariots). Russian schools for the Arab Orthodox were in large part responsible for the revival of Arabic letters. During the Soviet era, when the Church was forbidden charitible works in Russia, it was allowed to do them in Syria among the Arab Orthodox. The first Orthodox bishop ordained in the New World (then a Russian archdiocese) was the Arab, St. Raphael.

I don’t know…there are so many Orthodox sects, I can’t figure out which is which. Tell you what…enlighten me…tell me which one is the real Orthodox Church:

Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople
Finnish Orthodox Church (autonomous)
Estonian Apostolic Orthodox Church (autonomous)
Albanian Orthodox Diocese of America
Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Diocese in the USA
Ukrainian Orthodox Church of Canada
Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the USA
Patriarchal Exarchate for Orthodox Parishes of Russian Tradition in Western Europe
Episcopal Vicariate of Great Britain and Ireland
Mount Athos
Belorussian Council of Orthodox Churches in North America
Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America
Archdiocese of Thyateira and Great Britain (includes Ireland)
Archdiocese in Italy and Malta
Archdiocese in Australia
13 other small metropolises outside its canonical territory: Austria, Belgium, Argentina, Canada, France, Germany, Hong Kong, the Korean Orthodox Church, Mexico and Central America, New Zealand, Scandinavia, Spain and Portugal, and Switzerland
Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria
African Orthodox groups in the African Continent
Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch
Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America (autonomous)
Antiochian Orthodox Archdiocese of Australia, New Zealand, and All Oceania
Greek Orthodox Church of Jerusalem
Church of Mount Sinai (autonomous)
Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem in North and South America
Russian Orthodox Church
Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) (de-facto autonomous)
Moldovan Orthodox Church (territorial jurisdiction contested by the Romanian Church)
Metropolis of Western Europe (proposed, but not instituted)
Japanese Orthodox Church (autonomy not universally recognized[citation needed])
Belarusian exarchate
Estonian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate)
Latvian Orthodox Church
Hungarian diocese
Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (autonomous; union completed on May 17, 2007.)
Serbian Orthodox Church
Orthodox Ohrid Archbishopric (autonomous)
Metropolitanate of Zagreb, Ljubljana and All Italy (Croatia, Slovenia, Italy)
Metropolitanate of Montenegro and the Littoral (Montenegro)
Metropolitanate of Dabar-Bosna (Bosnia-Herzegovina)
Serbian Orthodox Church in the USA and Canada
Bishopric in Australia and New Zealand
Bishopric in Britain and Scandinavia (Great Britain, Norway, Sweden, and Denmark)
Bishopric of Buda (Hungary, Czech Republic, and Slovakia)
Bishopric in Central Europe (Germany, Austria, and Switzerland)
Bishopric in Timişoara (Romania)
Bishopric in Western Europe (France, Belgium, Netherlands, and Spain)
Romanian Orthodox Church
Metropolis of Bessarabia (autonomous, with the rank of an exarchate, i.e. having the right to have parishes outside its canonical jurisdiction – de facto has in Russia and USA; territorial jurisdiction contested by the Russian Church)
Metropolis in France, Western and Southern Europe (British Islands, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy)
Metropolis in Germany and Central Europe (Germany, Northern and Central Europe)
Romanian Orthodox Archdiocese in America and Canada (USA, Canada, Argentina, Venezuela)
Romanian Orthodox Bishopric Dacia Felix (in Serbia)
Bulgarian Orthodox Church
Bulgarian Eastern Orthodox Church Diocese of America, Canada and Australia
Diocese in Central and Western Europe
Georgian Orthodox and Apostolic Church
Church of Cyprus
Church of Greece
Polish Orthodox Church
Albanian Orthodox Church
Czech and Slovak Orthodox Church
Orthodox Church in America (recognized as autocephalous only by the Russian, Bulgarian, Georgian, Polish, and Czech-Slovak Churches)
Orthodox Church in America Albanian Archdiocese
Orthodox Church in America Bulgarian Diocese
Romanian Orthodox Episcopate in America
Orthodox Church in America Parishes in Australia

[edit] Orthodox Churches and communities not in communion with others
Belarusian Autocephalous Orthodox Church
Bulgarian Alternative Synod
Orthodox Church in Italy
Macedonian Orthodox Church
Montenegrin Orthodox Church
Russian True Orthodox Church
Turkish Orthodox Church
Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Kiev Patriarchate)
Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church
Autonomous Ukrainian Orthodox Church in America

[edit] Old Believers
Russian Orthodox Old-Rite Church (Belokrinitskaya Hierarchy)
Lipovan Orthodox Old-Rite Church (Belokrinitskaya Hierarchy)
Russian Old-Orthodox Church (Novozybkovskaya Hierarchy)
Pomorian Old-Orthodox Church (Pomortsy)

[edit] Old Calendarist
Church of the Genuine Orthodox Christians of Greece
Church of the Genuine Orthodox Christians, USA
Orthodox Church of Greece (Holy Synod in Resistance)
Old Calendar Romanian Orthodox Church
Old Calendar Bulgarian Orthodox Church
Old Calendar Syrian/Assyrian Orthodox Church

[edit] Defunct churches
Croatian Orthodox Church
Chinese Orthodox Church

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church#Church_today

Or are they “all” The Orthodox Church?

And which one are you?

 

[2ndGen]

No. What Russian bishop is she under (or as we would put it, in communion with)?

Right now, she’s in communion with sleep! LOL!

Yes, his holiness is an authority.

And he is Orthodox, but just not Eastern Orthodox.

Nor is he Arab. He’s a Copt.

He’s Orthodox, but not Eastern Orthodox, but he’s a Copt, but not an Arab even thou, The Coptic Church is an Arab Church?

:hypno:

I am so glad I’m Catholic!

No wonder you guys are always fighting.

I just found out that you guys were having schisms before you even schismed from us! LOL!

And you guys were fighting the Greeks within the past century.

Are you Greek Orthodox Arab? Russian Orthodox Arab? Hot Fudge Sundae with a cherry on the top Arab Orthodox?

It’s like shopping at IKEA with you guys. A million designs all calling themselves “Orthodox” competing for the same buyer.

Wow…you guys are sure fond of schisming…then you blame everybody else. Such malcontemption.

You’re all divided by regions and states and countries and races and ethniticities…all things that counter Jesus’ teachings that we all be as “one”.

We Catholics really are the “universal” Church.

Ah, like all delusions, Ultramontanism insists the whole of humanity thinks like it does. Shenouda is not an African Vatican.

I’ll leave that up just so that I don’t get singled out for calling you guys malcontemptuous.

Since his Holiness is not Arab, nor Eastern Orthodox, he technically has NO authority over me, nor any Arab Orthodox in general. And since the EP outranks him, that eliminates supreme in “supreme authority.”

So why have him around then?
Who does have authority over you?
And what does his race have to do with spiritual guidance?
Again…

So basically, he’s a “paper pope” or just for show?

Since I’ve met and admired His Holiness, I wouldn’t have any problem with him being a “supreme authority over me,” but do you have a point somewhere? That makes a conversation more interesting.

Yeah, will the real Orthodox “pope” please stand up.
Identify your Church’s supreme authority on earth.

Btw Pope Theodore is the EO Pope of Alexandria.

Which Orthodox “Church” there?

Coptic?
Greek?
Russian?

 

[2ndGen]

Fallacy. Begging the question. You can’t use as proof what isn’t established as fact.

 

[2ndGen]

Or these “Orthodox” Church Fathers…

Through envy and jealousy, the greatest and most righteous pillars [of the Church] have been persecuted and put to death. Let us set before our eyes the illustrious apostles. Peter, through unrighteous envy, endured not one or two, but numerous labours and when he had at length suffered martyrdom, departed to the place of glory due to him." Clement of Rome, The First Epistle of Clement, 5 (c. A.D. 96).

“I do not, as Peter and Paul, issue commandments unto you.” Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Romans, 4 (c. A.D. 110).

‘You have thus by such an admonition bound together the plantings of Peter and Paul at Rome and Corinth." Dionysius of Corinth, Epistle to Pope Soter, fragment in Eusebius’ Church History, II:25 (c. A.D. 178).

“Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3:1:1 (c. A.D. 180).

“As Peter had preached the Word publicly at Rome, and declared the Gospel by the Spirit, many who were present requested that Mark, who had followed him for a long time and remembered his sayings, should write them out.” Clement of Alexandria, fragment in Eusebius Church History, VI:14,6 (A.D. 190)

“It is, therefore, recorded that Paul was beheaded in Rome itself, and that Peter likewise was crucified under Nero. This account of Peter and Paul is substantiated by the fact that their names are preserved in the cemeteries of that place even to the present day.’” Gaius, fragment in Eusebius’ Church History, 2:25 (A.D. 198).

'We read the lives of the Caesars: At Rome Nero was the first who stained with blood the rising blood. Then is Peter girt by another (an allusion to John 21:18), when he is made fast to the cross." Tertullian, Scorpiace, 15:3 (A.D. 212).

“Peter…at last, having come to Rome, he was crucified head-downwards; for he had requested that he might suffer this way.” Origen, Third Commentary on Genesis, (A.D. 232).

“Thus Peter, the first of the Apostles, having been often apprehended, and thrown into prison, and treated with igominy, was last of all crucified at Rome.” Peter of Alexandria, The Canonical Epistle, Canon 9 (A.D. 306).

Fallacy. Non-sequitor. St Ambrose is speaking of St. Peter not the bishop of Rome.

Well, being that St. Ambrose “was” The Bishop of Rome himself…let’s see what he says about Peter…

Ambrose of Milan

“[T]hey [the Novatian heretics] have not the succession of Peter, who hold not the chair of Peter, which they rend by wicked schism; and this, too, they do, wickedly denying that sins can be forgiven [by the sacrament of confession] even in the Church, whereas it was said to Peter: ‘I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven, and whatsoever thou shall loose on earth shall be loosed also in heaven’[Matt. 16:19]”
(Penance 1:7:33 [A.D. 388]).

Do you have a problem with this “Orthodox” Church Father?

Optatus

“You cannot deny that you are aware that in the city of Rome the episcopal chair was given first to Peter; the chair in which Peter sat, the same who was head—that is why he is also called Cephas ‘Rock’]—of all the apostles; the one chair in which unity is maintained by all” (The Schism of the Donatists 2:2 [A.D. 367]).

 

[2ndGen]

Doesn’t really matter to me because he retracted that position

 

[wisdomseeker]

TO VARC

“You’ve missed the point of what Cyprian was saying. He believed that the rock of St. Peter is the episcopy. In other words, the chair of Peter is held by the bishop in his own diocese. You can disagree with him all you like but it is card stacking to selectively quote him to support your view when he held the contrary view in another citation.”

I SEE

so you are saying that any one any church can claim they have the chair of Peter? if there is so, then i must say either Jesus was very wrong or we are the ones to be wrong, take your pick.
I would have to consider a blasphemy against CHRIST to even consider such a thing is to say that Jesus would do anything to cause confusion and divisions in the Church He promised He would built and protect and prayed over it that they would be one like Him and the Father would be one.

 

[wisdomseeker]

I’ll leave it to you Ultramontanists to show that great unity that flows from Rome. LOL

Yes. to us was given the spirit of humility. when we are wrong we tend to ask for forgiveness.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Can Anyone Tell Me Where To Find A Good Protestant Forum? I Would Like To Visit Them.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

Yes. that all sound good. but we are not talking about the popes who did wrong. we are talking about the church.

But for ultramontanist, pope=church.

I’ve heard your priests say, “the pope has 51% of the Church’s infallibility.”

St Augustine once said: "The Roman church is visible for everyone to see, there is no excuse for no one not to know this Church. It **seems to me **that he is saying that this church has the grace of God and Jesus is with this church. Just like Jesus said He would be.

And of course, only with this Church.

 

[wisdomseeker]

But for ultramontanist, pope=church.

I’ve heard your priests say, “the pope has 51% of the Church’s infallibility.”

And of course, only with this Church.

I understand your frustration believe me i do.
some day we all be one again i pray to God. i know we pretty much believe in the same things. which that makes us almost one like Jesus and the Father. and i admire very much the orthodox churches i love their services it looks beautifull and very saint.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

Was this “before” or “after” 1054 AD?

Don’t know history either?

If it was before, then those are “our” Fathers that you left behind when you left The Church that they worked under. Those are “Catholic” Fathers that submitted themselves to The Catholic Pope

So your Fathers wrote the Catholic Creed without the Catholic Pope, your Fathers followed the Catholic Pope of Alexandria, your Fathers judged and examined the ex cathedra statements of the Catholic Pope, your Fathers removed the Catholic Pope from the diptychs, your Fathers anathematized (that means excommunicated and declare a heretic) the Catholic Pope. If you want to word it that way, be my guest.

(The Orthodox Church didn’t exist until after the 11th century)

Soo how did the Catholic Pope Leo III in the 9th post the Catholic Creed (the one WE say) on the doors of his Churches’ “out of love and protection of the ORTHODOX Faith”?

And how did St. John of Damascus (whom your popes claim as a Doctor of your Church) describe our Church in the 8th cent. in his “An Exact Exposition of the ORTHODOX Faith”?