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Mickey said:
It was not always that way. The final authority for Rome used to be the council. Have you ever heard of the Council of Basel or the Council of Constance? Both reiterated that “the council” is the final authority. But over time, Basel was retracted and Constance was marginalized prepping the way for the new dogma of Vatican I. It is an interesting history.
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It is. it is amazing how the Lord works his ways.

let’s praise Him
 
jam070406 said:
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Any moron can just cry Fallacy!QUOTE]

After this insult, I choose to no longer dicuss anything further with you sir. Good day and God bless.
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Jam. I am sorry!
that is how it goes. abusive language, intimidation, arrogancy. we have to forgive them. and continue to do the work of the Lord.
we know what is true, we know the True Church. for evidence is all around us. we dont need to prove it.

The Church rules from one City and reigns into all nations.
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jam070406 said:
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Any moron can just cry Fallacy!QUOTE]

After this insult, I choose to no longer dicuss anything further with you sir. Good day and God bless.
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Took me a while and some good advice from The Moderator, but I too ceased in exchanges where I’m called insulting names.
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East_Anglican said:
1070 wasn’t it?

Gosh, nearly a thousand years ago and some still havn’t got over it! :mad:

Protestants have no chance with that kind of lasting unforgiveness about! :mad:

Yes I know there are Protestants who are just as unforgiving.

Lord have mercy.
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No…1992 to current.
 
wisdomseeker said:
do you have the whole store? what did Peter say after Paul rebuked him? was this on past tense?
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What is your first language? Whole ‘store’? Do you mean whole story?

Galations 2 states “WHEN Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face.” In the english language, the use of WHEN in this instance means that at the time that Peter arrived in Antioch Paul confronted him. Just because you don’t want to admit this doesn’t make it less true.

If we look at the rest of the passage:
14When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, **I said to Peter in *FRONT ***of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
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Meaning, Paul approached Peter in front of the crowd and rebuked him.
wisdomseeker said:
besides Peter knew what he did was wrong. but he did because of his fellow jews. St Paul did not say anything that St Peter did not already know.
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Many of us get rebuked when we already know what is right. That is what rebuking is most of the time. It is to remind us of what is right. Operative word ‘REMIND’. 😊
 
It’s “my” unstructured thread.

Anybody can put links to whatever they want to so long as the moderators allow it.

un·struc·tured
  1. Lacking a definite structure or organization; not formally organized or systematized. 2. Not regulated or regimented: an unstructured environment.
  2. Psychology Having no intrinsic or objective meaning; meaningful by subjective interpretation only: unstructured inkblot tests.
 
2ndGen said:
It’s “my” unstructured thread.

Anybody can put links to whatever they want to so long as the moderators allow it.

un·struc·tured
  1. Lacking a definite structure or organization; not formally organized or systematized. 2. Not regulated or regimented: an unstructured environment.
  2. Psychology Having no intrinsic or objective meaning; meaningful by subjective interpretation only: unstructured inkblot tests.
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I was just teasing… 😛
 
Singinbeauty said:
Are we putting links to random threads now? 😃

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=216923

I was merely responding to this POST as wisdomseeker was mistaken when thinking that Paul was addressing a crowd, not Peter. Though, wisdomseeker doesn’t want to believe this isn’t true apparently. 🤷 Whaddayagonnado…
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If you’ve never worked to discredit Peter or to show his mistakes, don’t pay it any mind. It only applies to those people described in it.

Plus, there are others here who fit that bill.

But again, if you never did what the content of the Peter Haters thread speaks of, then take no offense. It doesn’t apply to you.
 
2ndGen said:
No…1992 to current.
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Hmmm. Does that include what was done in the name of the Latin church in Croatia?

I don’t believe either Milosovic nor Trudjman had been in a church for decades. Nor cared to go, except to stir up shibboleths.
 
2ndGen said:
No…1992 to current.
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I challenge you to prove your fallacies.

If you prefer, you just might as well prove that either there was WMD in Iraq, or that Orthodox castrate our guests and raise them into episcopacy (which was btw the reason you excommunicated us in 1054).
 
jam070406 said:
Fallacy!
The Council of Chalcedon in 451, attended by the Eastern Bishops, ended its discussion with the unanimous cry, “Peter has spoken by Leo,” when the Pope’s decision was given. A century and a half later Pope Gregory I could still write, “Who doubts that the Church of Constantinople is subject to the Apostolic See?” No one then doubted it; and no one disputed it until Photius came along in 867 to plunge the East into schism.

The patriarch of Constantinople, and all the Eastern Bishops signed the formula of Hormisdas, who was Pope from 514 to 523.

That formula contained these words, “We follow the Apostolic See in everything and teach all its laws. I hope to be in that one Communion taught by the Apostolic See in which is the whole, real and perfect solidity of the Christian religion.”
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I’d post a link, but I am having computer problems.

Go to “Eastern Catholicism” Forum. Searh for posts “Hormisdas” or look for thread “Papal Primacy and the East.” In post #31 I posted the reception of the formula: John added an introduction that specified the equality of New Rome to Old Rome. The bishop of Thessalonica (which had been tranferred from Rome to Constantinople after Chalcedon, which Pope Leo complained of, and served as the legate (metochia, embassy church) of Rome in the East) tore it up. Others simply reufesed to sign, whereas they did put Rome back in the diptychs, while refusing to remove Acacius.

the other issue of Chalcedon I have already answered: the tome was examined, and foud Orthodox, not acepted just because the Pope of Rome issued it.
 
Isa_Almisry said:
I’d post a link, but I am having computer problems.

Go to “Eastern Catholicism” Forum. Searh for posts “Hormisdas” or look for thread “Papal Primacy and the East.” In post #31 I posted the reception of the formula: John added an introduction that specified the equality of New Rome to Old Rome. The bishop of Thessalonica (which had been tranferred from Rome to Constantinople after Chalcedon, which Pope Leo complained of, and served as the legate (metochia, embassy church) of Rome in the East) tore it up. Others simply reufesed to sign, whereas they did put Rome back in the diptychs, while refusing to remove Acacius.

the other issue of Chalcedon I have already answered: the tome was examined, and foud Orthodox, not acepted just because the Pope of Rome issued it.
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I remember one time hearing, that one time the Church of Rome moved to Constantinopla because of the great prosecution against christians at the time. but then, the Church went back to Rome again. anybody has any information on this?
 
Isa_Almisry said:
Hmmm. Does that include what was done in the name of the Latin church in Croatia?

I don’t believe either Milosovic nor Trudjman had been in a church for decades. Nor cared to go, except to stir up shibboleths.
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No…you are mixing up the topics with Terenty Dushkin of Alaska.

I was talking about ethnic cleansing.
 
sokoticasiva said:
I challenge you to prove your fallacies.

If you prefer, you just might as well prove that either there was WMD in Iraq, or that Orthodox castrate our guests and raise them into episcopacy (which was btw the reason you excommunicated us in 1054).
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By 1998, the former Yugoslavia had shrunk to three political divisions: Serbia, Kosovo and a semi-autonomous district, Montenegro. The mainly Muslim Albanian rebels in Kosovo were fighting for independence.

The central government in Belgrade, mainly controlled by Serbian Orthodox Christians, had attempted to crush the rebellion. They “used excessive force against the Albanian civilian population, destroying villages and driving people from their homes…By September 1998…there was a full-blown humanitarian crisis in Kosovo.” 5 At its peak, 300,000 Kosovars had fled their homes. 60,000 had no shelter. With the onset of winter, it was feared that many would die. NATO threatened air strikes against Serbia if it did not comply with a U.N. resolution calling for a ceasefire. Serbia appeared to comply. “…the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), representing 54 states, entered into an agreement with [Serbian president Slobodan] Milosevic that would establish the Kosovo Verification Mission (KVM), composed of at least 2,000 unarmed verifiers from the member states.”

5 After many cease-fire violations (mostly by Serbian forces) and a massacre of 45 unarmed ethnic Albanian civilians by Serbian forces in the village of Racak on 1999-JAN-15, the situation degenerated seriously. The U.S. and Russia called on both sides to adhere to previous agreements. NATO threatened to take military action if that was not done. By early 1999-FEB almost 400,000 Kosovars (almost 20% of the population) had been displaced. President Milosevic’s intransigence ultimately forced NATO to take military action. After destruction of much of the infrastructure of Serbia, the central government withdrew its troops and police from Kosovo.

An uneasy peace currently exists between the minority Serbian Orthodox population and the majority Albanians, who are mostly Muslim. International peacekeepers attempt to maintain stability. The United Nations has assumed administrative responsibility for Kosovo. More details.

This tragedy is believed to be the first international war action in history that was mounted in order to return human rights to a oppressed population.

religioustolerance.org/genocide4.htm
 
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