UPDATE: Homeopathic Meds--BAD!!!

[spiritblows]

maggieodae:

Lets put it this way…Drug companies managed to ruin a lot of peoples lives, mine included. I am no fan of their free for all mandate. And I have the scars and the disabilties to prove it. That said…I do not advocate giving up on science.

Amen!. There’s nothing inherently good about Western standard medicine. Just because some approaches might come from other philisophical POVs doesn’t mean they’re evil. Our Church says that we should honor what is good and right in other belief systems.

The profit motive in the big drug companies has definately killed or disabled more people than homeopathic medicines. Also, what about the fast foods industry, and the cigerette industry? These do proven harm to ordinary people. And alcoholic beverages? How many lives have they ruined?

 

[puzzleannie]

stmaxfan:

I posted last week regarding homeopathic meds and whether they are OK by the Church. The e-mails I got all said that they should be fine. Well, They are NOT!!! By coincidence (Godincidence?) this weekend I met Moira Noonan, a Catholic who had spent almost 30 years in the occult before her deliverance and conversion. I asked her about homeopathy and she said STAY AWAY. The meds are formulated using divination.

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I have no opinion of source you quote but I have consulted homeopathic physicians in 3 states for over 30 years, and their medications are not chosen using divination, they are chosen using standard guides compiled by those experienced in that discipline.

there may be some practioners of “alternative medicine” who combine homeopathic theories with all kinds of new age theories or therapies, but that does not mean homeopathy is an occult practice.

 

[ahimsaman72]

LSK:

I’m with you…I take two types of meds for my RA. 10 weeks ago I started adding 1 tablespoon of non-flavored gelative to juice every morning. I ran it by my rheumatologist first and he told me to try it - the only side affects would be great hair and nails, so why not see what happenned? The pain in my hands has decreased dramatically. The swelling in my knuckles has decreased significantly…and we are not sure if it is because it has helped the meds I take do the work better or because it is directly helping the RA itself, but who cares? It hasn’t helped my other joints as much but HEY it’s only been 10 weeks.

Oh, and my nails and hair are FABULOUS.

Hello LSK,

I’m glad to hear that the gelative is helping. My mother has RA and it has been difficult to find anything to help relieve her pain. Doctors by and large have been at a loss to figure out what to do. They did a lot of tests and weren’t really sure if she had RA, MS or Lupus. I hope you continue to feel better as I know that RA can be debilitating.

The best advice I can give people (non-expert) is to research yourself what can help relieve your symptoms. Don’t take anyone’s word as the law. It is your life you are working on and you shouldn’t short-change yourself. After study of alternative methods and meds and asking different doctors you should be willing to look outside conventional methods to treat any problems.

God bless you…

 

[Pious]

stmaxfan:

I asked her about homeopathy and she said STAY AWAY. The meds are formulated using divination.

Someone also posted that they used iridology (reading of the eyes). This, too, is an occult practice and should be avoided. Reiki, reflexology, Scientology, centering prayer, guided imagery,etc. she said are all occult. She said if you use any of these, confess it and in confession, say “I renounce the use of Reiki (or whatever you have used).”

God Bless

I am a qualified Iridologist (non-practising) and I can asure you that my training did not involve any occultic practices; I also use homeopathic medicine, which has the principal of ‘like cures like’ and no methods of divination are involved.

I am a qualified complementary medical practitioner, specialising in magnet therapy (which involves no occultic influence), but there are a lot of complementary therapies that are occult based and should be avoided and also there are practitioners that are involved with the occult who incorporate their beliefs in to non occultic therapies.

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

Zooey:

Actually, homeopathy is based on the same principles that vaccines are–A small amount of medicine is made from what would make you sick in full quantity…

That is not the case.

A vaccine does not seek to introduce into the body something that mimics the symptoms of a disease, nor does it introduce a pathogen. The active item in a vaccine is either a debilitated form of the pathogen – it cannot function to produce the disease – or else a related organism that triggers an immune response by the recipient which will effectively neutralize the target pathogen – cow pox, for instance, triggered the production of antibodies which were effective against small pox (in the early vaccines for that disease).

This goes well beyond the mere introduction of a symptom producing substance, and is certainly not the introduction of a “small amount” to counter a later “large amount.” Introduce a small amount of a viral or bacterial pathogen, and one does not induce immunity. One infects the recipient with the disease.

Blessings,

Gerry

 

[mikew262]

There is a lot of Reiki bashing going on in this thread and others that I have observed. Based on what I have read, most of it is based on ignorance and/or fear versus anything factual.

My wife is a registered nurse, a former massage therapist and a Reiki Master. She uses it or has used it for nothing but pure healing purposes; there is nothing evil about it whatsoever. The bible is full of passages encouraging people to heal and to use their spirtual gifts. If the use of this makes people feel better, how is this evil?

There is a web site called www.ChristianReiki.org that has a wealth of info concerning the use of this gift by christians, including many open-minded catholics. I suggest you read it before offering a uneducated opinion. Samething goes for homeopathic meds as well.

I don’t think our Lord would have a problem with this.

Thanks!

Mike

 

[Zooey]

Gerry Hunter:

A vaccine does not seek to introduce into the body something that mimics the symptoms of a disease, nor does it introduce a pathogen. The active item in a vaccine is either a debilitated form of the pathogen – it cannot function to produce the disease – or else a related organism that triggers an immune response by the recipient which will effectively neutralize the target pathogen – cow pox, for instance, triggered the production of antibodies which were effective against small pox (in the early vaccines for that disease).

I was referring to homeopathic nosodes. Nosodes are exactly what vaccines are; in fact, in many areas, it is possible to receive homeopathics as an alternative to standard vaccines.
Vaccinations are a part of homeopathy that has come to be used in standard medical practice, although I know that most allopathis practitioners would like not to acknowledge this…
The example I think of is flu shots. If there is a homeopathic physician in your area, you can receive the influenza nosodes in a series of oral doses. This functions on a comparable level of efficiency as regular flu shots.
It is perfectly true that there is a difference to be made between this & the use of an OTC homeopathic remedy for protection against flu, however, & you are right to point it out.
My thrust was to say that when we are dealing with either homeopathics or with other forms of alternative medicines, there is a tendency to think of all of them as “new age”, with no scientific backing. Not true!! There are many other forms of medicine than what one receives from the average physician, & few of them are anything to do with “divination”, as the OP had been told. Those that do have a connection, it is usually the fault of the particular practitioner, not the system of healing.
I have used homeopathics for decades, with no recourse to anything remotely new age, & received great benefit from them. At no time did this involve magic, superstition, or “woo-woo” thinking.
God bless.

 

[Petergee]

Not all so-called “alternative” medicine is directly based on divination or occult practices or theories, though many types of it are. But ALL of of it, to a greater or lesser extent, rejects the use of human reason and scientific discovery; some by omission (e.g. herbalism) and some by directly contradicting the the conclusions formed by the use of reason (e.g.iridology, homeopathy). The latter especially substitute for the use of reason a blind false faith in the physical/spiritual “salvation” promised by the method or product being promoted. This is a form of false religion and is a sin against the first commandment.

 

[spiritblows]

Petergee:

Not all so-called “alternative” medicine is directly based on divination or occult practices or theories, though many types of it are. But ALL of of it, to a greater or lesser extent, rejects the use of human reason and scientific discovery; some by omission (e.g. herbalism) and some by directly contradicting the the conclusions formed by the use of reason (e.g.iridology, homeopathy). The latter especially substitute for the use of reason a blind false faith in the physical/spiritual “salvation” promised by the method or product being promoted. This is a form of false religion and is a sin against the first commandment.

Oy vey…

Thanks for your expert opinion!

 

[Petergee]

In many cases it may also involve a sin against the fifth commandment, which includes an obligation to take care of the body God gave me, and especially to take care of the health of the children God entrusted to me. So-called “alternative” methods/products can not only directly damage health, they may interfere with, or cause people to refrain from using, effective proven “orthodox” treatments.

There are also many cases where people refuse to accept the fact when they are told “There’s nothing more that can be done to cure you, you will die soon”. They spend the last weeks/months of their life, which could have been a time of great spiritual growth and a living homily to their friends and families, in a frantic and all-consuming search for a non-existent “miracle” cure sold by unscrupulous spielers.

 

[spiritblows]

Allrightie, you awful sinners, you have the final word on the matter! Bad, bad sinners to sin against the commandments by taking herbs and alternative remedies! Very naughty! Instead, only take FDA approved, AMA sanctioned, EliLily developed medicines, since they are always good for you and Church approved!

 

[Courtneyjo]

Petergee:

Not all so-called “alternative” medicine is directly based on divination or occult practices or theories, though many types of it are. But ALL of of it, to a greater or lesser extent, rejects the use of human reason and scientific discovery; some by omission (e.g. herbalism) and some by directly contradicting the the conclusions formed by the use of reason (e.g.iridology, homeopathy). The latter especially substitute for the use of reason a blind false faith in the physical/spiritual “salvation” promised by the method or product being promoted. This is a form of false religion and is a sin against the first commandment.

These statements border on insulting. Care to support them with references? I bet my MD who recommended some herbs and supplements didn’t think he was rejecting the use of human reason and scientific discovery.

Amazing.

 

[Didi]

For thousands of years, prior to any FDA or chemical companies manufacturing drugs, herbs and plants were used for medicinal purposes. There is indeed scientific evidence to support their use. God gave us these things in order to help us. I feel the use of natural remedies is far more in compliance with God’s intentions for us than all the manufactured pharmaceutical poisons people put in their bodies, which usually only mask symptoms instead of seeking the root cause of the problem and helping our bodies to help themselves.

 

[mikew262]

My wife would say “Right on Didi!”

 

[Katie1723]

I take a combination of "regular " drugs and some herbs and vitamins. So far I am alive and feeling pretty good. Don’t take herbs or other homeopathic meds if you don’t want to, but don’t criticize others because they are.

I am wondering, are you so adamant about homeopathic meds being bad because they didn’t "work " for you or someone you knew?
~ Kathy ~

 

[shannin]

stmaxfan:

I posted last week regarding homeopathic meds and whether they are OK by the Church. The e-mails I got all said that they should be fine. Well, They are NOT!!! By coincidence (Godincidence?) this weekend I met Moira Noonan, a Catholic who had spent almost 30 years in the occult before her deliverance and conversion. I asked her about homeopathy and she said STAY AWAY. The meds are formulated using divination.
Someone also posted that they used iridology (reading of the eyes). This, too, is an occult practice and should be avoided. Reiki, reflexology, Scientology, centering prayer, guided imagery,etc. she said are all occult. She said if you use any of these, confess it and in confession, say “I renounce the use of Reiki (or whatever you have used).”
She wrote a book called Ransomed From Darkness which I bought and will hopefully read soon, which lists all the occult activities that are harmful to souls. I hope this helps all of you.
God Bless

Are you sure about iridology? All that is is looking at magnified eyes to determine health problems. How on earth can that be compared to Scientology, centering prayer and guided imagery?

Also, I see nothing wrong with taking herbs because they are made by God. Why on earth would I have to confess taking herbs?
**

 

[ahimsaman72]

stmaxfan:

I posted last week regarding homeopathic meds and whether they are OK by the Church. The e-mails I got all said that they should be fine. Well, They are NOT!!! By coincidence (Godincidence?) this weekend I met Moira Noonan, a Catholic who had spent almost 30 years in the occult before her deliverance and conversion. I asked her about homeopathy and she said STAY AWAY. The meds are formulated using divination.

Someone also posted that they used iridology (reading of the eyes). This, too, is an occult practice and should be avoided. Reiki, reflexology, Scientology, centering prayer, guided imagery,etc. she said are all occult. She said if you use any of these, confess it and in confession, say “I renounce the use of Reiki (or whatever you have used).”

She wrote a book called Ransomed From Darkness which I bought and will hopefully read soon, which lists all the occult activities that are harmful to souls. I hope this helps all of you.

God Bless

You know, back in my extreme fundamentalists years we would buy books like, “What Witches Hope Parents Never Find Out”, which basically told how evil Disney was and the occult/pagan influences in society that our kids were exposed to - that of course pagans spend their whole lives trying to indoctrinate into society’s children.

Anybody can make a mountain out of a mole hill (as mom used to say) and just because someone wrote a book doesn’t mean they are an authority or are accurate in their portrayal of the subject. In other words - don’t take this person’s word for it.

As far as Iridology goes I would recommend you study that for yourself before condemning it as an occult practice. My wife is a professionally trained iridologist (Clayton College of Natural Health in Alabama) and is not an occultist nor is the practice built upon occultic principles.

You really need to look at the dictionary’s explanation of occult here: education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/occult

People equate occult with devil worshipping and witchcraft which is really not accurate. There are different definitions of what occult really means and I am sure that you need to consult Catholic sources to see what occult means in the eyes of the Church and what practices should be banned.

Obviously, divination, seances and mediums are against Christian principles (there’s clear Scriptural evidence) and I believe the Church has officially condemned these practices.

 

[shannin]

ahimsaman72:

As far as Iridology goes I would recommend you study that for yourself before condemning it as an occult practice. My wife is a professionally trained iridologist (Clayton College of Natural Health in Alabama) and is not an occultist nor is the practice built upon occultic principles.

I went to a Christian Iridologist for 6 months and she helped me a lot. I also purchased vitamins and herbs from her. It got too expensive so I stopped going but I’m thinking of going back.

 

[jess7396]

Just wanted to subscribe to this interesting discussion.

 

[ahimsaman72]

shannin:

I went to a Christian Iridologist for 6 months and she helped me a lot. I also purchased vitamins and herbs from her. It got too expensive so I stopped going but I’m thinking of going back.

I’m glad you had a good experience. It’s one practice among many for helping to prevent problems. My wife also has knowledge of herbs, but does not prescribe them. Yes, vitamins and herbs can get quite expensive and are usually not covered by insurance (go figure).