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Libero
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My goodness, you disagree with me!!! Who could have seen that coming? Has there ever been a time you have agreed with me felra? Despite this, quoting a slight error in what I write is not acheiving anything, do you honestly think, that the OP is going to take an incorrect belief on church teaching after something I said, particularly when the OP is a member on this site, and she has just been told to seek the advice of multiple priests?
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RCCDefender
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Bickering with each other doesn’t help me. It only makes the matter more confusing, and I am confused enough as it is.
I understand the common Church teaching that contraception is wrong, and I agree. I have also seen where it has been deemed okay for medical purposes. We used NFP before our baby was born. In any other circumstance I would continue using it.
What is worse: conceiving a child knowing he or she is almost surely going to hemorrage(sp?) and die in your womb? Or using contraception so that you don’t have that chance? I would feel like I killed my baby; I don’t know how I’d live with that!
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I understand the common Church teaching that contraception is wrong, and I agree. I have also seen where it has been deemed okay for medical purposes. We used NFP before our baby was born. In any other circumstance I would continue using it.
What is worse: conceiving a child knowing he or she is almost surely going to hemorrage(sp?) and die in your womb? Or using contraception so that you don’t have that chance? I would feel like I killed my baby; I don’t know how I’d live with that!
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Direct contraception is never licit. One may use medications, to treat a medical condition, that may have contraception as an unintended side effect, but that is not the same as directly contracepting.
I think the point is one may avoid pregnancy through NFP, which is safe for all involved and pleasing to God.
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Orionthehunter
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I think you have gotten various posts that cover the gamut of the issue. Now is the time to visit with a Priest, preferrably one with an expertise on these issues. I don’t know what is right and it is doubtful that it can be determined by anyone in this thread as the issues are complex (maybe not in the final answer which might be very straight forward but no matter what they will stimulate complex and possibly conflicting emotions in your heart) and go beyond anything that can be described in these posts.
Regarding your last paragraph, RCC, frankly, the Church will guide you and then you need to trust in God no matter your concerns. As my wife had three miscarriages between our four children, you can’t dwell on what you may lose but celebrate your blessings no matter what. Trust in God.
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Libero
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Yes, I agree, sorry, however bickering appears unfortunately to be an inevitable feature of most threads. I hope that you can find the answers you need here, you have had some good advice from other posters. Good luck!
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RCCDefender
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Who was it that said NFP is as effective as condoms?
Also, I understand that it takes a few months to get used to reading your body signals. What if we used NFP and condoms for a while if we abstained during the fertile period?
Like I said, we used NFP until our baby was born, but we got pregnant 6 weeks after the wedding, so I didn’t get a thorough grasp of it…
Also, I understand that it takes a few months to get used to reading your body signals. What if we used NFP and condoms for a while if we abstained during the fertile period?
Like I said, we used NFP until our baby was born, but we got pregnant 6 weeks after the wedding, so I didn’t get a thorough grasp of it…
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st_ignatius110
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RCC,
I can only imagine the pain you must go through to think of your child dying in your womb. Jesus never said our cross would be say to bear. This is obviously your cross. Here is what I would do.
Do not at all by any means use BC. The pill can and will abort babies. Do not use condoms, instead trust in our Lord. Talk with couples you know who use NFP and find out their strategies to using it. They may be able to help you out a whole lot. Also, is there anyway that complete and total bed rest would help your baby survive if you do get pregnant?
You sincerely need to find a Christian doctor, preferrably one with NFP experience, and get another opinion on this. Doctors in todays world are so eager to destroy life, reccommend BC etc…they are in the wrong…do not listen to them.
Also, find another priest. Find one who can advise you within the teachings of the Church.
Remember, trust in our Lord. Heaven sees your sufferings.
I can only imagine the pain you must go through to think of your child dying in your womb. Jesus never said our cross would be say to bear. This is obviously your cross. Here is what I would do.
Do not at all by any means use BC. The pill can and will abort babies. Do not use condoms, instead trust in our Lord. Talk with couples you know who use NFP and find out their strategies to using it. They may be able to help you out a whole lot. Also, is there anyway that complete and total bed rest would help your baby survive if you do get pregnant?
You sincerely need to find a Christian doctor, preferrably one with NFP experience, and get another opinion on this. Doctors in todays world are so eager to destroy life, reccommend BC etc…they are in the wrong…do not listen to them.
Also, find another priest. Find one who can advise you within the teachings of the Church.
Remember, trust in our Lord. Heaven sees your sufferings.
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RCCDefender
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I would not and could not ever use IUD (as my midwife advised) or the pill as I know the harm they cause.
My stepsister (not Catholic) used the pill ever since she got married (she is the same age as me). I almost had a heart attack when I saw her pills when we were at her church one day. She has already had one miscarriage, and who knows how many other unknown ones as a result of her pill use.
The only NFP doctor I could find is over an hour away. I’ll have to check if she is on my insurance plan. There are no NFP classes in my town, either.
I don’t know anyone in my town who uses NFP. Of six Catholic churches in our county would say that five are very liberal, including the Cathedral. The one conservative parish is luckily the one in my territory, which I just attended last week…
Complete and total bedrest would already be a given…
My stepsister (not Catholic) used the pill ever since she got married (she is the same age as me). I almost had a heart attack when I saw her pills when we were at her church one day. She has already had one miscarriage, and who knows how many other unknown ones as a result of her pill use.
The only NFP doctor I could find is over an hour away. I’ll have to check if she is on my insurance plan. There are no NFP classes in my town, either.
I don’t know anyone in my town who uses NFP. Of six Catholic churches in our county would say that five are very liberal, including the Cathedral. The one conservative parish is luckily the one in my territory, which I just attended last week…
Complete and total bedrest would already be a given…
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st_ignatius110
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Good.
That is really sad. I pray to God your example will help her as she makes decisions that can and will threaten the life of herself and her unborn children.
You can take NFP classes online. Not as good, I don’t think, but they should teach you exactly what you need to know. There are, I think, three different methods to use.
Wow. That is sad and shows the state the American Church is in today. I have the same problems in my diocese. Do you think your priest could reccommend someone in your parish who practices NFP?
I guess I was just wondering if that would work…cut down on the risk.
Can you PM me with your location? I am going to email my midwife and find out if she knows anyone in your area at all who could help you. I am really surprised your midwife does not have an NFP class,…well, not really surprised, just a little.lol
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Cdn.freethinker
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You ARE a good person, despite what ANYONE, INCLUDING THE CHURCH tells you.
Do NOT EVER believe for one minute that you are anything but a GOOD PERSON.
PERIOD.
“Happiness is the only good.
The place to be happy is here.
The time to be happy is now.
The way to be happy is to make others so.”
Do NOT EVER believe for one minute that you are anything but a GOOD PERSON.
PERIOD.
“Happiness is the only good.
The place to be happy is here.
The time to be happy is now.
The way to be happy is to make others so.”
- Robert Green Ingersoll
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Mijoy2
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Is this true for everybody?
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fix
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What is good?
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felra
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“I do not feel any contempt for an atheist, who is often a man limited and constrained by his own logic to a very sad simplification.” (“Babies and Distributism” The Well and the Shallows) G. K Chesterton
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itsjustdave1988
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Neither condoms nor any other method has a higher method effectiveness rate than NFP.
It is morally illicit to use a condom.
I recommend you use NFP but abstain until you get a grasp of it. My wife and I never took “classes” but did go through Couple-to-Couple League’s home study program. See here: CCL Home Study Course , where you will recieve advice from NFP experts.Like I said, we used NFP until our baby was born, but we got pregnant 6 weeks after the wedding, so I didn’t get a thorough grasp of it…
I also recommend following this rule of thumb: don’t have sex unless you can accept the potential consequences of sex. This applies while learning NFP, and after you’ve learned NFP. The only sure means to keep from getting pregnant is to not have sex. Don’t be fooled into thinking any method, especially artifical birth control removes the potential consequences of having sex. I have friends and family who became pregant while using condoms and the pill. Complete abstinance is the only 100% effective means to keep from getting pregnant. Studies indicate that none of these artificial means has a better method effectiveness rate than NFP. See here: ccli.org/nfp/basics/effectiveness-p02.php
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I ditto Dave! The use of condoms is always wrong. No exceptions no matter what you’ve read or seen elsewhere. The pope would tell you the same thing. Besides that, they are very ineffective and you are risking a pregnancy. NFP is the way to go. If you have to sleep in separate rooms until you get a firm grasp on it - do it! It sounds like you situation is grave enough to warrant avoiding. If you’ve got a palm pilot available, there’s even a shareware NFP program complete with alarms to make it harder to forget to chart.
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Visited the NFP doctor today. She’s in a different town, but it was worth it! She was so nice! I told her the situation and she told me I should check into the problem more on my own. She said she gets really aggravated at the pestimistic attitudes of people in her field. She said that it doesn’t neccessarily mean I can’t have any more children.
She said how God is the perfect architect, and we are made this way for a reason. She said that NFP will really strengthen our marriage.
I felt so good after I left!!
She said how God is the perfect architect, and we are made this way for a reason. She said that NFP will really strengthen our marriage.
I felt so good after I left!!
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YinYangMom
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That’s wonderful news.
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manualman
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For what it’s worth, clarity of fertility symptoms varies from woman to woman. But we learned it all from a book (Billing method). My wife started checking several months before our marriage. We’ve now been married 6 years and have either been using NFP or been pregnant/lactating the whole time. We’ve had 100% success in avoiding mode and 50% success in trying mode!
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jess7396
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OP, I admit I have only skimmed this thread (there was a good amount of fighting in there 
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Anywho- I wanted to share with you that after the birth of my last child, I was told that due to my uterine rupture it would be very unsafe for me to get pregnant again, and was, of course, advised to have my tubes tied.
I honestly thought that I could do that, and we even looked into a vasectomy for my dh. Now, we are not BC using people (hence 5 pregnancies in 5 years of marriage), so it wasn’t like we just jumped to that, we just thought with my life and the life of an unborn child on the line, of course we could use contraception.
Thank the Lord, we talked to our very good and conservative priest (who married us and baptised our children) before we did anything rash. He informed us that one CANNOT for any reason, use artificial birth control to avoid pregnancy. He encouraged us to look for a good NFP class.
I was devistated, clearly, he just did not understand that I could DIE if I got pregnant again.
Well, the Holy Spirit let us see that he was right, and we found a Creighton method class and have now succesfully avoided pregnancy for almost 2 years, which is a long time for us. While we were learning, we had to simply abstain, it was a sacrifice, but God asks sacrifice of us, so we must do it.
I am very glad to hear the your second opinion sounds more positive.
I will tell you that while we have avoided succesfully using NFP, we feel assured that any child that we might conceive, will be God’s will and He will care for my health and the child’s. When we do things His way, instead of the easy way, He rewards us.
Prayers for you!
).Anywho- I wanted to share with you that after the birth of my last child, I was told that due to my uterine rupture it would be very unsafe for me to get pregnant again, and was, of course, advised to have my tubes tied.
I honestly thought that I could do that, and we even looked into a vasectomy for my dh. Now, we are not BC using people (hence 5 pregnancies in 5 years of marriage), so it wasn’t like we just jumped to that, we just thought with my life and the life of an unborn child on the line, of course we could use contraception.
Thank the Lord, we talked to our very good and conservative priest (who married us and baptised our children) before we did anything rash. He informed us that one CANNOT for any reason, use artificial birth control to avoid pregnancy. He encouraged us to look for a good NFP class.
I was devistated, clearly, he just did not understand that I could DIE if I got pregnant again.
Well, the Holy Spirit let us see that he was right, and we found a Creighton method class and have now succesfully avoided pregnancy for almost 2 years, which is a long time for us. While we were learning, we had to simply abstain, it was a sacrifice, but God asks sacrifice of us, so we must do it.
I am very glad to hear the your second opinion sounds more positive.
I will tell you that while we have avoided succesfully using NFP, we feel assured that any child that we might conceive, will be God’s will and He will care for my health and the child’s. When we do things His way, instead of the easy way, He rewards us.
Prayers for you!
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