Upset with one of my dh's brother Knights

[nana3]

So, if a Baptist kid attends the Catholic School, she can win the scholarship - but, the Catholic kid who goes to public school or is homeshooled cannot? Sounds messed up.

Good point. Your right, I don’t think the Knights have considered that some students in the Catholic schools are not Catholic. I need to bring this to my dh’s attention. Thanks.

 

[duskyjewel]

I think “venom” is a little strong. Telling someone to “stop it already” when we really think they are doing something that damages a good and valuable institution like home schooling… that’s “venom?”

I used that phrasing on purpose. There have been too many stories the last few months about home school families seeming to throw tantrums because they are not treated equally to institutional schools in various arenas. I thought the whole point was that home schoolers didn’t want the things that come with institutional schools, nor to be treated the same. You can’t demand freedom from standardized testing and attendance requirements in the same breath that you demand equivalent treatment with institutional schools.

If the contest says it is for kids who go to Catholic schools, then respect that. If the wording or history of the contest rules is ambiguous, then work to get it written so that it is perfectly clear who can enter. But do not try to get special treatment as home schoolers, wanting out of rules and requirements but also wanting benefits of the institutions you chose not to use. That is immature, literally wanting it both ways. Choose, then respect and live up to that choice.

 

[jkatpc]

Let me add something else. Some here in his response and I am assuming he is a Knight mentioned that my dh should go to his master. Thanks for that advice. He did do that and the master has no problem including homeschooled children, but said that dh should contact the local Youth activities director for his area. My husband did that and the youth activities director said that he doesn’t understand the trustee’s concern and that he approves the contest being open to homeschooled children in the 8th grade. To calm everyone though he said he will be getting hold of the State Deputy of his assembly or area. He did say that he sees no problem with it. He told my dh at the next council meeting to mention to the trustee that he has used the proper channels and they do not have a problem with adding homeschool kids as long as they are Catholic. He too mentioned the rational that the kids will not be doing this essay in school but at home, so there is no teacher watching the Catholic school students either.

The good thing is that if your husband’s assembly is anything like my council and assembly, they have rules written down regarding the expenditure of any funds. Bylaws usually provide the avenue by which rules can be changed (e.g., proposal published in newsletter the month before, quorum of members present for vote, etc.). Bottom line in my experience is that one trustee has exactly one vote (just like any other member) when it comes to changes to rules.

 

[puzzleannie]

Let me clarify some things. First, no exception is made for our dd. She is in 4th grade. The rules last years were for Catholic Schools only, but the man who started this and runs this okayed the homeschoolers as long as they are Catholic. His big thing is they have to be Catholic and not another religion or a public school. He does not have a problem with the homeschooler. Only one man does and they are going to put it to a vote if this man insist.

where in the rules does it say members have the right to change the rules after the contest is announced. was this objecting member part of the committee that set up the contest and made the rules? if not why is he being consulted now?

 

[tee_eff_em]

No this is not the same contest. This is done at the assembly level and at the local 4th degree. It is not done all over the nation with all students involved. As Faithful Navigator this year, my dh, had the responsibility to pick the topic and this is not the topic. This again is for 8th grade students only and not high school or any other grade. So the contest you mention above is different.

As a purely local event, your dhusband has the authority to administer it without recourse to higher-ups.

He and/or the contest chair should make the case for eligibility. The opponent should make the case against. A motion made to clarify eligibility (one way or the other), which either gets a second and a vote (to be abided by), or it doesn’t and it dies. It is all very Robert’s Rules of Order.

:twocents:
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et cetera et cetera

 

[nana3]

As a purely local event, your dhusband has the authority to administer it without recourse to higher-ups.

He and/or the contest chair should make the case for eligibility. The opponent should make the case against. A motion made to clarify eligibility (one way or the other), which either gets a second and a vote (to be abided by), or it doesn’t and it dies. It is all very Robert’s Rules of Order.

:twocents:
SK tee
et cetera et cetera

Correct, this is what he was told that he had the final decision. By the way, someone asked if this trustee help make the rules, he did not. I don’t think it is a major rule in the bylaws, it is just a local contest for the kids. There is no set rules and even the youth activities director said the same and so did the master. They can take it to a vote and if the trustee is the only one against it, the majority wins.

 

[nana3]

where in the rules does it say members have the right to change the rules after the contest is announced. was this objecting member part of the committee that set up the contest and made the rules? if not why is he being consulted now?

As Faithful Navigator, my dh contacted the trustee to help him pick a good topic for the essay contest. He picked one and didn’t know if it was age appropriate. He contacted last years FN and his wife happened to be a retired 8th grade teacher. She said the topic was fine for that grade. That is why the trustees were contacted and out of respect too. No this man was not one to make the rules of this contest.

 

[Patrick2340]

The only two people who should have any say in how the contest is run are the Knight running it and the Faithful Navigator. If I were the Faithful Navigator, I’d tell this Trustee that he can either run the contest himself or keep his nose out of it. Of course, I was just about that tactful as Grand Knight too!

 

[nana3]

The only two people who should have any say in how the contest is run are the Knight running it and the Faithful Navigator. If I were the Faithful Navigator, I’d tell this Trustee that he can either run the contest himself or keep his nose out of it. Of course, I was just about that tactful as Grand Knight too!

I agree and that is what my dh did and once this Trustee knew that the Catholic school kids take the essay home too, he backed down. He didn’t say anything else over the matter.