Upsetting Confession experience

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Exactly. Either that or how does this differ from scrupulosity?

Unless I am mistaken and the point of going to confession is to become absolved of mortal sin. 🤷
I don’t know what the saints confessed so frequently but I go to confession weekly and I always confess sins against the First Commandment and sins of Pride, at the very least. I am not scrupulous - I don’t obsess about sin, don’t see sin in everything, and don’t doubt that my sins have been forgiven.

While Confession is the only way mortal sin can be forgiven and absolved, the Church recommends that we also bring venial sins to Confession: Code of Canon Law 988 §2. It is recommended to the Christian faithful that they also confess venial sins.
 
Thanks.

Keep in mind that spiritual direction and confession often go hand in hand, especially when the spiritual director is a priest.

So, the Pope’s weekly confession was probably the combination of both.

Jim
Probably. Although the brighter the light the more dirt you can see.
 
It’s not my place to judge what a priest told you in the sacrament of confession. I understand a priest would be hard pressed to go against a priest’s statement during confession. I remember once hearing a monsignor who was consulted regarding the statement of another priest that was not in accordance with the rules and regulations that he was not going to go against what another priest said so to regularize it. If a Monsignor would not go against a priest, this should tell you something. My advice would be to respect what happened at the confessional and try to learn from it and apply it.

What I will say to you is that that’s between you and God. Our Lord Jesus is present at the sacrament of confession and confession is serious and it is not a joke and you should have resolve. This clarification need not be labeled as tough love - it is what it is.

I think you may benefit from some quiet time to confront and listen to what the priest told you and see how you can learn and grow from it.

You said that you answered yes to the three question and felt scared about what he would have said if you said no; were you honest? One of the last places I would like to lie is during the Sacrament of Reconciliation. It is serious.

No, a priest is not there to judge you but to forgive if you are repentant.

Well, it sounds like it was high time you got an averse reaction from a priest and you got it.

I think he sounds like a great confessor. He listened to you and honed in on the problem and responded for your benefit not his. I would stick with him.

It’s not about making you feel good but about forgiving your sins and all the benefits that comes with it.

Why would being set straight at the confession raise thoughts of doubts about the Church? What doubts about what? You want to put things in the correct place and not mix things all together if possible. Why do you feel alone and do you mean as a Catholic in the Church? Maybe you can consider making friends who do share your faith.

My youngest sister left the Church because supposedly there isn’t good socializing and there is in the evangelical. The parishes are not social centers and the confessionals are not psychology booths.

I think you have a lot to look into which will help you at the confessional. Try to do the things the priests asked you. Listen and consider very carefully all his comments and try to learn from them. Personally, I would go back to confess with that priest - he sounds like a very good confessor.

Keep in mind that a priest is not there to play nice, his main concern is the eternal salvation of your soul.

Peace.

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“I think he sounds like a great confessor. He listened to you and honed in on the problem and responded for your benefit not his. I would stick with him.”

That’s my problem; it really didn’t seemed like he listened. He interrupted me mid-sentence and made a judgement of the kind of person I was, which was a person who didn’t take confession seriously. And then he had to make sure I was legitimate by asking if I prayed and read Scripture daily (I do, but thinking about it some days I accidentally fall asleep before night prayer and Scripture, so was that lying? I don’t know. I don’t know if this would be a concern or if I’m falling back into scrupulous thinking again). There have been other confessions where the priest has stop me during confession when I wasn’t expressing something right, and then let me continue. They seemed to listen and honed in on my problem.

It seemed like the priest could tell I was younger (I fully acknowledge that this is probably an unfair judgement on my part), so he felt like I needed a hard lesson.

Regardless of my age, this kind of treatment from older members of the Church is related to the doubt I mentioned earlier. There seems to be an assumption that young people need harsh lessons because, otherwise, they’ll become selfish, entitled, and spoiled. As a younger parishioner, I’m constantly reminded that faith isn’t about “feeling good,” which I agree with. However, if I find problems in a condemning and intimidating environment, does that automatically demote me to someone desires a fluffy and lenient one?

I grew up proud of my faith and went to confession often. However, my upbringing was also strict and involved frequent reminders that I wasn’t humble enough. Not that this happens to everyone, but I became scrupulous and miserable by my early teen years. Instead of loving and serving, I was in constant fear of moral error. This priest didn’t “set me straight” like you said he did earlier. He reminded me of that state of shame and guilt again.

I understand that confessions are not “psychology booths.” One of my most powerful confessions was when a priest, after his words of advice, advised me to go to seek therapy and counseling. He was basically telling me that confession is for sins, not a conversation about all my problems. However, he didn’t berate me for not taking confession seriously. He addressed the issue effectually with compassion.

I’m being defensive because you mentioned that your sister left the Church because “supposedly there isn’t good socializing and there is in the evangelical.” That is not my reason for feeling disillusioned and confused at times. Reasons to doubt are much more nuanced, and I’m sure your sister’s reasons were too.
 
This thread is very validating for me. (I’m a baby boomer (older than most) but new to Catholicism. I finished RCIA in 2014. My next confession was with a visiting priest, my confession was jumbled but sincere. My husband had died, my son had attempted suicide. I was a wreck. He said I needed mental help and I was taking up his time and the time of the people waiting in line. I was bearly able to discern my pennance. You know, in looking back, everything he said was true. I did need mental help, which I was getting. My life was a mess which I very well knew and I was taking everyone’s time. After months of not returning to confession, I called our parish priest and explained my experience. It’s not fair to tell everyone about the problem and not go to someone that can make a difference. He explained I was not the first person to express confusion confessing to this priest.

Moving on and learning from all of you. Thank you.
 
I don’t know what the saints confessed so frequently but I go to confession weekly and I always confess sins against the First Commandment and sins of Pride, at the very least. I am not scrupulous - I don’t obsess about sin, don’t see sin in everything, and don’t doubt that my sins have been forgiven.

While Confession is the only way mortal sin can be forgiven and absolved, the Church recommends that we also bring venial sins to Confession: Code of Canon Law 988 §2. It is recommended to the Christian faithful that they also confess venial sins.
Thank you. I enjoyed reading your reply.
 
This thread is very validating for me. (I’m a baby boomer (older than most) but new to Catholicism. I finished RCIA in 2014. My next confession was with a visiting priest, my confession was jumbled but sincere. My husband had died, my son had attempted suicide. I was a wreck. He said I needed mental help and I was taking up his time and the time of the people waiting in line. I was bearly able to discern my pennance. You know, in looking back, everything he said was true. I did need mental help, which I was getting. My life was a mess which I very well knew and I was taking everyone’s time. After months of not returning to confession, I called our parish priest and explained my experience. It’s not fair to tell everyone about the problem and not go to someone that can make a difference. He explained I was not the first person to express confusion confessing to this priest.

Moving on and learning from all of you. Thank you.
I’m so sorry for your loss and I hope you are healing. Your story is so sad, and I’m glad you contacted the priest. Hopefully it made a difference for the next person.
 
Hi Faith, I can remember being in your place (still go there at times:)) But, when I started looking more at my sins of “omission” rather than “commission”, I found the whole experience more fruitful. There are so many ways I could have loved my neighbor, but didn’t. It’s a daily struggle. 😦

God Bless You.
Thanks Mummsie
 
This thread is very validating for me. (I’m a baby boomer (older than most) but new to Catholicism. I finished RCIA in 2014. My next confession was with a visiting priest, my confession was jumbled but sincere. My husband had died, my son had attempted suicide. I was a wreck. He said I needed mental help and I was taking up his time and the time of the people waiting in line. I was bearly able to discern my pennance. You know, in looking back, everything he said was true. I did need mental help, which I was getting. My life was a mess which I very well knew and I was taking everyone’s time. After months of not returning to confession, I called our parish priest and explained my experience. It’s not fair to tell everyone about the problem and not go to someone that can make a difference. He explained I was not the first person to express confusion confessing to this priest.

Moving on and learning from all of you. Thank you.
I’m so sorry.
 
I’ll be honest… it might be a while before I go back to confession. Not sure if I can handle that kind of treatment while already in a vulnerable state.
I had a similar experience by a priest. I was upset because I was having a bad dream and he told me not very nicely that he wasn’t a psychiatrist. Another time when I was trying to make a very good Confession he sarcastically told me that I had a bucketful of sins, and not jokingly. I am always nervous going to Confession, so I finally went to a neighboring parish until this priest was reassigned.

It’s too bad that some priests are this way because then they discourage you from going to Confession. So, I’d advise you to find another priest where you can make a good Confession but not getting upset. The priest could have had a difficult day, and I’d pray for him. Priests need to understand how hard it is sometimes to discern whether we’re sinning or not, give good advice, but be merciful too as Jesus is.
 
Tonight at bowling the Lord opened my mind to these thoughts.

First off, the Scriptural definition of sin is “to miss the mark,” or as an analogy was used, its akin to an archer shooting an arrow at the bulls-eye, but misses.

It gives a different perspective on what sin is.

Anyway, as I was bowling I thought, when I didn’t get a strike, what if my team mate scolded me, rather than encourage me ?

Its the same with a confessor who would scold rather than show compassion and direction.

The former will drive a soul away from the sacrament while the other will keep the person returning, but more so, understanding the mercy and compassion Jesus Christ has on sinners.

For me, I’d go to another confessor rather than be talked down to like a child.

Jim
 
Tonight at bowling the Lord opened my mind to these thoughts.

First off, the Scriptural definition of sin is “to miss the mark,” or as an analogy was used, its akin to an archer shooting an arrow at the bulls-eye, but misses.

It gives a different perspective on what sin is.

Anyway, as I was bowling I thought, when I didn’t get a strike, what if my team mate scolded me, rather than encourage me ?

Its the same with a confessor who would scold rather than show compassion and direction.

The former will drive a soul away from the sacrament while the other will keep the person returning, but more so, understanding the mercy and compassion Jesus Christ has on sinners.

For me, I’d go to another confessor rather than be talked down to like a child.

Jim
Jim, I liked your analogy; but, it raised other questions in my mind. Understandably, few people get strikes every single time. But are you getting spares or gutter balls? Guaranteed on your 4th gutter ball, your teammate might raise his voice a little 😛 He might even ask if you’ve been practicing (reading scriptures and saying prayers)?

IMHO

God Bless You.
 
You have the wrong idea about confession. Sins are not judged, only the contrition of the confessor. The priest has to judge whether or not the confessor is really repentant before he can absolve him/her. God alone judges our sins, and that doesn’t mean the priest in persona Christi.
I agree, this is the truth you speak . some…priest or laity… believe they have the God given right or job to judge another’s sins.
I have never found in the Gospels, New Testament, where Jesus commanded us to judge
one another. we can judge or observe an outward action… but we can not judge the heart.
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To OP Therese…I too have had a *very *upsetting experience in confession. only by the grace of God, and remembering the morning I woke with strong thought " go find a priest"… did I not leave the church!
Trust in Jesus. Keep your eyes on Him. Its a rocky road and stormy waters out there! Try to find another confessor, if you can. often suggested, not always possible esp in rural areas. love one another, pray for those who persecute you ( I am actually making a wall sign that reads this today 🙂
one other thing, our priests need our prayers. I think if it is difficult for us, imagine how difficult for them. I just found and am doing an enrollment for a priest carmelitesistersocd.com/enrollments/
the good Sisters will pray for anyone we enroll, there is a separate priest enrollment.

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Jim, I liked your analogy; but, it raised other questions in my mind. Understandably, few people get strikes every single time. But are you getting spares or gutter balls? Guaranteed on your 4th gutter ball, your teammate might raise his voice a little 😛 He might even ask if you’ve been practicing (reading scriptures and saying prayers)?

IMHO

God Bless You.
I bowl candle pins, not ten pins.

Getting a strike in a string is a feat. 😃

The point is not getting strikes, but the means of helping the person to grow as a bowler.

In the case of spiritual life, helping the person grow closer to Christ, with compassion and mercy, which Jesus brings. Recall his words;

The Gentle Mastery of Christ.
“Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find rest for your selves. For my yoke is easy, and my burden light. Matthew 11:28-30
Jim
 
Our Lord Jesus was not ‘gentle’ at the temple and He did not offer Peter a lollipop.
 
Our Lord Jesus was not ‘gentle’ at the temple and He did not offer Peter a lollipop.
So Jesus reaction with the people whom he knew were plotting to kill him, negates his earlier statement “Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find rest for your selves. For my yoke is easy, and my burden light. Matthew 11:28-30 ?

Jim
 
So Jesus reaction with the people whom he knew were plotting to kill him, negates his earlier statement “Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find rest for your selves. For my yoke is easy, and my burden light. Matthew 11:28-30 ?

Jim
We like the Jesus who goes around telling off sinners – like he really told that one woman “now go and sin no more.” What a moralist makes me want to tell others of their sins in His name. We need more of that kind of “tough love” around here. :nunchuk:

And he doesn’t take any garbage when it comes to Church he will get you if you make a mockery out of his Father’s house by, for example, holding hands during Holy Communion; He would have gone apoplectic if He were here in the flesh and saw what was going on in His Church nowadays. He’d probably burn the buildings down just to save them some dignity… and with the “offenders” still in it. :bigyikes:

That yoke is only “easy” for those who are Not Really Serious about their Catholic faith. Right? :highprayer:
 
I bowl candle pins, not ten pins.

Getting a strike in a string is a feat. 😃

The point is not getting strikes, but the means of helping the person to grow as a bowler.

In the case of spiritual life, helping the person grow closer to Christ, with compassion and mercy, which Jesus brings. Recall his words;

The Gentle Mastery of Christ.

Jim
Thanks Jim. 👍 I was just feeling quirky. 😃 I agree with the humbler and gentler approach.

God Bless You.
 
Tonight at bowling the Lord opened my mind to these thoughts.

First off, the Scriptural definition of sin is “to miss the mark,” or as an analogy was used, its akin to an archer shooting an arrow at the bulls-eye, but misses.

It gives a different perspective on what sin is.

Anyway, as I was bowling I thought, when I didn’t get a strike, what if my team mate scolded me, rather than encourage me ?

Its the same with a confessor who would scold rather than show compassion and direction.

The former will drive a soul away from the sacrament while the other will keep the person returning, but more so, understanding the mercy and compassion Jesus Christ has on sinners.

For me, I’d go to another confessor rather than be talked down to like a child.

Jim
Thank you for sharing your thoughts…helpful. and from love. if someone is saying or directing and it is not coming from love, I discern. Jesus did not and does not condemn. because God is love. He spoke the word, his word, in love. this, in my understanding , is the difference.
 
The only person that is being judged and condemned here is the priest who clearly responded properly in the Sacrament of Confession and who even if he came to know this thread was about him would not speak up in his own defense. Oh, dear, Saint Padre Pio would not be very popular around here.

Jesus as the second person of the Trinity is Love and He is merciful. But, let us not confuse apples with oranges or do you all really think there is a ‘contradiction’?

“My brothers, if anyone among you should stray from the truth and someone bring him back, he should know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.” (Jms. 5:19-20)
 
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