URGENT: Decree on the Community with the "Spirit of 1st Franciscans and Carmelites"

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I am so sorry to the community, I do not mean to degrade you but I think the publich has to be informed.

the Decree in Italian

The English from other forum

Note: Since Google translate was used, there has been some mistranslations. “Flyer” refers to Friar Volantino.

less than two years have passed since de benevolent ad experimentum of so-called “Piccollo brothers and sisters of Jesus and Mary” received into the Episcopal Diocese taxed by decree in May 2008. Since that date many negative signals in respect of that group are presented to us, and various other parts of the Diocese and the Diocese of Itallie and by some bishops and by “some” members, who during the year past have created a new iztitutione with the approval of the diocesan of Lamezia Terme.

However, despite this, we have been waiting patiently, hoping that everything returns to normal in that group seeing some good and good will, at least in some of the components

found

that we were surprised and deeply saddened in recent times for acts that are degenerate, as the tip of the iceberg, in the Cathedral on Sunday 28 February at 13.00, ahead of many people with shouts and tumult that the Church certainly does not deserve Caltanissetta. From this hubbub we are deeply marked out in pain: Bishops, priests, the so-called “Flyers” and the various families that do not yet give peace.

occurred

that there is a general discontent among the people for the way they are recruited as vocations, a way that had not been equaled in the history of the Church. We need everything, using behavior grossly illcciti as plagiarism, threats, announcement of punishment, misuse of the word of God detached from its biblical context … with pressure and behavior contrary to theology and pastoral practice of the Church.is not given the slightest vocational discernment, violating the conscience, binding them in an iron flyer initiator the trial, which looks like a new St. Francis, a prophet of the new millennium. Resulting consequences and disorders of the psyche to libel, which are among the most serious diseases in the opinion of several doctors and psychiatrists in the city.

Considered

that this is a reprehensible conduct that smacks of impropriety and bragging to people, but also against the authority established; know of disobedience to the rules repeated several times by the bishop and communicated personally to the same flyer.

Wishing

For our part not to mortify the Spirit, but to grasp the obvious lack of orthodoxy and proceed freely, “without law”, with initiatives that are the negation of the interior life of humility and poverty of the Gospel itself.

Evaluated

the serious situation created and that none of us could predict, with a heavy atmosphere of suffering and fragmentation of the Church that the diocese can no longer tolerate. After obtaining the unanimous opinion of the Council convened Presibiterale today because it expresses in this regard.
 
Establishes and decrees

that the group can no longer depend on flyer, but if I want to redeem themselves for the future will have to strictly abide by the following mandatory and unconditional provisions:
  1. The Bishop will appoint a commission of five priests, will be followed by groups of men or women - improperly called “Little Brothers and Sisters of Jesus and Mary” - who are living together
  2. Among these five priests, the Bishop appointed the Superior, which directly and solely responsible for the aforementioned groups, as well as direct referent of the bishop.
  3. At the top are to refer those who lead the common life and he must give absolute and unconditional obedience.
  4. The initiator of these groups - called “Flyer” - will have to suspend all relations with all others, including so-called “allies”, at least for the next three years.
  5. To this end flyer must leave the Diocese for a place - indicated by the Bishop - for reflection and personal training, under the guidance of a spiritual director.
  6. Those who have already started living together may continue to perform according to the regulation will be prepared by Priests commission appointed by the Bishop.
  7. all those who have been accepted among the groups of men or women of common life, from the month of January 2009, must leave this group, divest any kind of dress and return to their families.
  8. As long as there will be no legal recognition by the competent ecclesiastical authority, any “promises” given above are not recognized let alone be considered binding on members.Therefore, remembering that the vote and delivered before a higher authority and as part of a celebration litugica, all are freed from any constraint a religious, strictly understood.
  9. you can no longer allow anyone to take up vocational discernment when and if the Bishop will give official recognition to the group.
  10. and prohibited the so-called “little brothers and sisters” to leave the city of Caltanissetta for activities of evangelization or the allies to follow other cities or other dioceses.
  11. For the so called "allies"establishes the possibility to meet only once a month for a prayer meeting, only in the church of San Domenico in Caltanissetta, without any catechesis by so-called "little brothers and sisters. " These are forbidden to meet with “allies” in their homes or in places other than the church of San Domenico.
  12. Those who are living together are instituting a fund from which to draw for the needs of all members, including the installation of telephone and spirit of true poverty must relinquish all electronic and digital, which at present are said to be trustees and not owners.
  13. Those who attend the Theological Institute, for those who accept these disposiozioni can continue to do so until the end of this Academic Year, after that will have to continue their studies at other academic centers.
  14. E 'is binding and must remove from the website any reference to the following: constitution, regulation, vocational orientation, consecrated laity, bishops who support, catechesis and various miracles, photos with the bishops and so on.
  15. If these provisions are accepted - in full and without adding to it - you start experimentally for a period of three years, but only with the members before January 2009. At the end of this period we will assess what to do. It is obvious that each provision, and seen as strictly binding on all members of community life.
Given in Caltanissetta on March 3, 2010, the seventh year of the episcopate
  • Mario Russotto
Sac. Andrea Gaetano Muscarella
Vice-Chancellor of the Diocesan
 
Dear Brothers and Sisters,
If it’s written here in this negative decree that since May 2008 there only exist a general discontent, why is it that from May 2008 right up to the Decree of the 3rd of March 2010 this negative decree did not also list all these positive signs that here follow ?.. that is the 100 positive lay letters, 12 positive priests letters and 2 positive bishops letters, including one from the same Bishop who wrote the decree ? (of course all these things I’ve attached for you here below) – letters that say the complete opposite to the negative decree ?!.. From this, one can scientifically understand how reliable the moral “misunderstanding” of this decree is, that does not correspond with the truth of the facts and the morality that Lumen Gentium 25 requests. These things written in the decree could only be written for nothing else than an obvious distraction of the author, nothing more. In fact, for example, have you not read the story of Saint Mary MacKillop who was declared heretical by an Australian Bishop but who now rather, only a few months ago in Rome at St. Peter’s square was declared a Saint ? Therefore, let’s reflect, it’s clear that these “misunderstandings and distractions” often happen in the Church and who always ends up paying the price are those who want to became Saints, with deeds and in the truth. Therefore, I have attached the above listed positive signs from May 2008 up until the date of the negative decree (since I’d stored all this info before all these things had happened when there wasn’t any password or any omission in the website as there is now, for the fact that the Little Friars do not want to degrade the image of the author of the decree ).

Therefore, if you want the password, you can ask the Little Friars for it through their website: (www.poorfriars.net). Now I tell you even more so, rather, after the negative decree, they’ve been officially received in little groups in 6 different dioceses of the world (with more than 20 positive Episcopal letters – all of them after the negative decree - that testify to all of this and also to the profound spirit of ecclesial communion of this community. These letters however, at the moment they don’t publish for matters of diplomacy and protection from some “evil tongues” who are putting them through all sorts of difficulties). Therefore, for example, as one of their very recent videos testifies, especially in the last part of the video, where an Archbishop speaks… they’ve been welcomed into Latin America, into the United States, into Africa, and into 3 Dioceses of Italy… with these bishops who’ve welcomed them also knowing of the obvious “misunderstanding” scientifically demonstrated. In this video though, as I again repeat, these Little ones of Jesus and Mary don’t precisely show where they are, at least for the time being, to avoid being again disturbed. Therefore, let’s not forget the above scientifical-chronological evidence of the “misunderstanding” that I have attached below, as Jesus himself said, « on the day of judgment people will render an account for every unfounded word they speak… » ( Mt 12, 36ss ) and not only Jesus says this, but also the Church, in which its Canon Law expresses like so: « No one is permitted to illegitimately harm the good reputation which a person possesses nor violate the right of any person to protect his or her own privacy » (CCL, Can. 220).

PS
For a greater guarantee know that in these letters the Bishops are also in agreement with the founder in having all of them study, and for the major part, all in Sacred Theology and licenses of various specializations, and even more, as their report cards testify, with high grades, which demonstrates beyond the “misunderstanding”, their profound and elevated Catholic – theological orthodoxy.

2 EPISCOPAL LETTERS (positive - from the 1st of May 2008 up to the negative decree of 3 March 2010)
  • Most Rev. Archbishop La Piana, 13 August 2008 ( for our mission );
  • Most Rev. Bishop Mario Russotto, 19 September 2009 ( for an imminent approval ).
    www…
12 PRIESTLY LETTERS (positive - from 1 May 2008 to negative decree of 3 March 2010)
  • Father Egidio Pudia, 16 July 2008 ( for a mission );
  • Father Giorgio Costantino, 19 September 2008 ( for a mission );
  • Father Pietro Scolaro, 20 September 2008 ( for a mission );
  • Father Alessandro Di Fede, 16 November 2008 ( for a mission );
  • Father Ivan Graci, from 10 Luglio 2008 to 21 July 2008 ( for a mission );
  • Father Francesco Fruscio, 30 March 2009 ( for a mission );
  • Father Giuseppe Canalella, 19 April 2009 ( for a mission );
  • Father Achille Lomanto, 31 May 2009 ( for a mission );
  • Father Salvatore Pignatone, 2 June 2009 ( for a mission );
  • Father Mario Alcamo ( their ex-episcopal delegate ), 4 July 2009 (certificate of perpetual Obedience);
  • Father Salvatore Taffaro, 12 September 2009 ( for a mission );
  • Father Marcello Stanzione, 2 November 2009 ( for a mission ).
    nuke.fratipoveri.net/Default.aspx?tabid=601
100 … LAY LETTERS (positive - from 1st of May 2008 to the negative decree of the 3rd of March 2010)
nuke.fratipoveri.net/Default.aspx?tabid=602
 
and another question: were the Bishops aware of the negative decree?
 
JosephFe, what happened in the cathedral Sunday 28 February at 13.00?
 
This was my statement and question on the other thread:
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It seems to me that if they have another Bishop/Cardinal that is willing to cannonically form their group than that is perfectly allowed as that statement would be for that community. The only time something like this would not apply would be if the Order was cannonically formed under the Vatican and the Vatican had been the one to disband them. Someone with more canon law experience on orders please correct me if I am wrong. Brother - who is your episcopate now*?**
 
Apollos said:
JosephFe, what happened in the cathedral Sunday 28 February at 13.00?
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Peace and Good to you Apollos and to you all…

A group of two or three families, that day in Cathedral, said blasphemies against the Lord and insulted the Little Friars and Sisters, because this families didn’t accept the desire that a young women of their family had of becoming a member of the Little Sisters, even if the Little Sisters never accepted her in community, because the Bishop asked them that, for some time, don’t accept new vocations. This families, then, lied to the Bishop saying that the girl leaved home to join the community of the Little Friars and Sisters, and the Bishop – obvious “misunderstanding” the facts – think that the community disobeyed him… but the community never did something like that.
 
Which Bishop are you Canonically formed under as of now Brother? Is there a link to a statement of formation?
 
Again which Bishop are you under canonically - and whom do you pledge your obedience to canonically?
 
ByzCath said:
You continue to make this statement and link to a site that is full of password protected documents. Those documents could say anything, we can not know as we do not have the password to actually read them.
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As the page say, you can request all these new Episcopal Documents (and passwords) through Ecclesial Authorities - to: vocazioni@fratipoveri.net
joanofarc2008 said:
Again which Bishop are you under canonically - and whom do you pledge your obedience to canonically?
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For the moment the community don’t reveal (in pubblic) were they are and who are the bishops that are following them for persecution motives; but, of course, if some Ecclesial Authorities ask the community, they’ll suddently answer …

In this movie you can see the Bishops and ear one Archbishops words about them:

b.vimeocdn.com/ts/113/314/113314666_200.jpg
 
Friar_P said:
As the page say, you can request all these new Episcopal Documents (and passwords) through Ecclesial Authorities - to: vocazioni@fratipoveri.net

For the moment the community don’t reveal (in pubblic) were they are and who are the bishops that are following them for persecution motives; but, of course, if some Ecclesial Authorities ask the community, they’ll suddently answer …

In this movie you can see the Bishops and ear one Archbishops words about them:

b.vimeocdn.com/ts/113/314/113314666_200.jpg
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Any community that is properly Canonically formed will have a Bishop that has taken responsibility for overseeing that community. The “persecution” as you call it is not due to providing that name it is due to your lack thereof.
 

From a member of the community of the
Little Friars and Sisters of Jesus and Mary​

Clarifications on our community of Little V.V.’s of Jesus and Mary, to avoid misunderstandings:

Peace and Good
After our transfer from central of Sicily (on the 5th March 2010),
we now share with you,
our last joy and Episcopal witnesses (Bishops),

and that is:

1. VIDEOS (where an ARCHBISHOP speaks of our reality that’s “in birth”, that testifies to our presence in 6 different dioceses of the world)
vimeo.com/18086249
2. PHOTO’S (with the diverse BISHOPS and ARCHBISHOPS who support us, after the aforesaid transfer)
nuke.poorfriars.net/HomeEnglish/HomeCONSECRATES/THEBISHOPS/tabid/478/Default.aspx
3. EPISCOPAL DOCUMENTS (WRITTEN, consultable with a certain ecclesiological norm)
nuke.poorfriars.net/HomeEnglish/HomeCONSECRATES/OFFICIALCURRICULUM/IndexBishopdeclarations/tabid/592/Default.aspx

Peace and Good and best wishes of Holiness
in a serene and continuous discernment
of the Truth, that is Christ in the Church.
(cf. Ep 3, 21)

PS
We ask you for prayer according to the intentions of our initiator, friar Volantino Verde.
 
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