US atheists, agnostics less 'racist' than religious people according to survey

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0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
Why are they visible?

Do they make themselves visible?
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And how. Do they ever. Think Fred Phelps and you have the idea.
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
Does the media delight in portraying these voices while downplaying the regular believers (because everybody loves somebody else’s hypocrisy)
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Don’t blame the media. Exposing hypocrisy is their job. Eliminating hypocrisy is ours.

Sorry, but the damage to the reputation of religion in general, as well as Christianity, including Catholicism, in particular, is practically entirely self-inflicted. Passing the blame onto “the media” or anyone else is failing to take responsibility for our own situation, without which we can never improve it.

“The media” does not owe us good publicity, a platform for our views, or a solution to our problem. That’s our job, and frankly, we’re not doing so well at it.
 
If media portrayal doesn’t shape real world views, then what does it matter if minorities are portrayed as stereotypes?

If media only reflects the reality, then why do people get upset at demeaning portrayals of ethnic groups?
Did the ethnic groups “bring it on themselves “ to be portrayed that way?
 
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Tis_Bearself:
Just more “Religion is Bad and Hypocritical” bias from the media. I also am having trouble believing that the OP posted this in good faith
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What on earth do you mean?
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So I have thought about this some more. My OP question was about whether or not the survey results corresponded with the experience of US Catholics. I did not endorse the survey results as corresponding with my own as I have very little experience of US Catholics. I indicated my objective interest in the survey and its correspondence with reality by putting the word ‘racist’ in introverted commas in my headline. As I have told @Tis_Bearself many times my presence here is a result of a genuine interest in belief and why people believe what they do. In this case I am seeking understanding about whether the beliefs apparent in the survey are reflected in the experience of members. I can’t see that this is ‘in bad faith’.

@Tis_Bearself’s other comment suggesting that this is media bias: well, in this case the media is religious media and is the messenger, not the message. And there is no suggestion in the survey that anyone is being hypocritical.

My presence on these forums as a non-believer is invited. I take part openly. I think I am entitled to the assumption of good faith.
 
It’s the beginning of the effort to make religion go away. All the lefties who want to side with silencing speech better be careful who they get in bed with because when they don’t like your speech… you’re next.
 
FiveLinden said:
Racial resentment varies widely among religious groups

Thought this was interesting. Does it ring true to US Catholics?
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Yes, which is unfortunate. We can and should do better.
RepetantCatholic said:
It’s a survey, so you may answer it with the desired answer although you yourself don’t believe in it. This would happen among Atheist and Agnostics who are aware and know to be critical of certain views, although they hold those views.
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I think this is also part of a valid explanation. Atheists and agnostics tend to be more educated and more aware of contemporary issues and so they are cognizant to giving the ‘correct’ response, but that doesn’t necessarily translate to any actionable decisions or lifestyle changes. That’s why they speak so frequently about philanthropy and yet statistically are very, very low with donating and volunteering.

It’s a complicated issue.

Peace.
 
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I look at this survey and it’s results not as a deep dive into subtle pervasive racism but just a generally simple four questions that anyone should know the correct answers to if they aren’t racist! The fact that so many still “failed” the test is shameful. We should all know what the basic questions are asking and even if some lie, I would assume they lie in the direction of, “I’m not racist”. We still have a lot of work to do.
 
Anesti33 said:
They’re not even survey questions! There is not a single question mark in the whole text posted by @ATraveller. Loaded “questions” and slanted language led to a predetermined outcome.
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They were agree-disagree spectrum questions. The point of them was to attempt to measure racism without asking, “are you a racist?” or “do you not like [fill in the blank]?”

They can be loaded. For instance, “Irish, Italians, Jewish and many other minorities overcame prejudice and worked their way up. Blacks should do the same without any special favors.” Does agreeing to that make someone racist?
 
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There’s still this racial divide in America:
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The past still haunts the older denominations. The divide among newer non-denominational churches (not seen along with so many other Protestant denominations in this already long list) isn’t as severe. The reason is they’re younger and draw people from other denominations. With older denominations, for some it feels they don’t belong. E.g. A young white person will feel he or she is disrupting a historic black church by being there but not a new “non-denominational” church led by a black pastor. A young black person might feel unwelcome in a predominantly older white congregation but not a new “non-denominational” church led by a white pastor.

And there’s a trend, which isn’t unique to America except the last one. Lutheranism is mostly people of Scandinavian descent. Catholicism Irish, Italian, French, Latino and Filipino. Anglican/Episcopalian and Presbyterians British/Anglo-Saxon. Orthodox Eastern European. Baptists based on old divisions on slavery.
 
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It’s shown to point out the stupidity and hypocrisy of this whole movement. Racism goes both ways does it not? But I thought only white people could be racist.

And why, why does every community, every company, every church, every local village, every state congress have to match the exact makeup of the ethnic community exactly??? Maybe there is a reason OTHER THAN RACE for the makeup of that group. Maybe, just maybe…

Because maybe I’m just tired of my so-called white guilt, my inherit racism, my white privilege, my subconscious and unconscious bias, my need to submit and apologize, my having got what I go by building it off the blacks, my daily oppression of black people, and being called a racist. Maybe, just maybe…
 
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ATraveller said:
The past still haunts the older denominations. The divide among newer non-denominational churches (not seen along with so many other Protestant denominations in this already long list) isn’t as severe.
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You clearly are blinded to this very fact that these denominations are mostly black, so is that haunting them, or is it okay for them to be mostly black?
 
JoeFreedom said:
You clearly are blinded to this very fact that these denominations are mostly black, so is that haunting them, or is it okay for them to be mostly black?
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Let’s see what I wrote further down:
ATraveller said:
With older denominations, for some it feels they don’t belong. E.g. A young white person will feel he or she is disrupting a historic black church by being there but not a new “non-denominational” church led by a black pastor. A young black person might feel unwelcome in a predominantly older white congregation but not a new “non-denominational” church led by a white pastor.
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There isn’t any intention to exclude anyone. The perceptions of individuals play the biggest role. Even with the intention of predominantly white Mainline Protestants trying to virtue signal in all areas, it isn’t working for them.
 
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What is a “white” Evangelical, or a White Catholic? Does this include White Hispanics? (Hispanics are an ethnicity, not a race). What about people like me, with a mixed racial background? Am I white? I think judging people on these metrics are absurd anyway. My niece who is a few feet away from me, asleep, is half black. The other half is white, American Indian, and Chinese. Is she white? It is time to stop obsessing with race. I don’t know about y’all, but I am a member of the HUMAN race. By the way, I can say, without a doubt, that the most racist people I know are atheists and agnostics, by far. I doubt they were asked.
 
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Pattylt said:
I look at this survey and it’s results not as a deep dive into subtle pervasive racism but just a generally simple four questions that anyone should know the correct answers to if they aren’t racist!
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Three sound more like opinions and they could be due to misconceptions and oversights which sounds more reasonable.
 
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I agree they could. So, next step is to have a conversation on why they answered as they did and what their misconceptions and oversights were.
 
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