US Bishop states "Mass is Not the worship of Jesus."

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Are we in fact experiencing the birth of a new religion but afraid to believe this is happening?
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I completely get where the Bishop is coming from. Rather than a new religion, he sees the erosion of the meaning of the Mass. I believe that it’s come into being as Protestants who’ve converted haven’t fully abandoned their idea of the eucharist is simply ‘worship’… and embraced the Catholic Eucharist which is an actual remembrance of the Sacrifice which leads to that inexpressible Thanksgiving and praise. That is the grace of the Mass; Thanksgiving. If we don’t open our hearts in this Thanksgiving, then of course we miss that grace and end up being focused on all the wrong things. A refusal of the grace of Thanksgiving leaves people without the ability to be joyful, hopefilled and charitable.
 
I understand all of that. But how is it that it does not include the worship of Jesus, despite what the catechism says? And how is it that we do adore Jesus, but not worship Him?

You are fishing the wuestion
 
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That’s my bishop.

Unless he says more, I’d give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t really express what he meant to say that well. On other fronts within the diocese he’s been pretty orthodox.
 
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That’s my bishop.

Unless he says more, I’d give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t really express what he meant to say that well. On other fronts within the diocese he’s been pretty orthodox.
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He strikes me as a very orthodox bishop. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt as well. He did not express himself well.
 
Could any Latin or Greek-savvy people walk me through the word roots? I haven’t studied Greek. I know that we have the Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, and that the Latin adoratio means (drum roll, please) . . . . . worship. In Spanish, adorar means both worship and adore. Ditto the Italian adorare.

Worship apparently comes from the Old Anglo-Saxon word for “worthy.”

Could the terms be used interchangeably? Could this be a simple matter of semantical hair-splitting? Could we once again be dealing with one of those animosity-toward-clergy websites trying to fan a candle flame into a bonfire?
 
All bishops (and priests) make a Profession of Faith which includes (obviously) the Nicene Creed and universal magisterium. If there was any questions about what Bishop Stika believes, that beats a half-baked tweet any day of the week, never mind a website which didn’t bother to give him the courtesy of asking for an explanation (contrary to Catholic teaching on the right to one’s reputation). Sadly, such sites only tend to follow the parts of Church teaching which work for them and their agendas.
 
I have no problem in giving him the benefit of the doubt, we all have posted something on the internet without thinking and realized later we were wrong.

But let’s not pretend that the Bishop Stika has given us some great spiritual insight that we should all strive to understand.
 
My fear is that this is diminishing the status of Jesus and eliminating one part of the Trinity. Something that Pope Franciss friend Eugenio Scalfari accused him (Pope Francis) of, when mentioning the alleged conversation concerning Christs divinity whilst on earth. Anyway, the bishop has had four days to correct the tweet and I am surprised that this has not happened as yet.
 
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“We adore Jesus. We worship the Father.”
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Reminds me of Pope Francis telling Italian journalist this year Jesus was all man not divine until died on Cross. Never came out and clarified it after journalist wrote it after meeting him. Vatican just said his account wasn’t accurate, which could still mean he’s right on the substance that he said Jesus not divine until died on cross but wording was imprecise . I really pray this isn’t s trend
 
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I hope the bishop is having his Thanksgiving holiday with his family or his fellow clergy, and simply ignoring his twitter for the weekend. Sounds like a healthy thing for everyone to do.
 
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It interesting he said this in context of someone from TLM defending transubstantiation and citing poll that 70% Catholics don’t believe in it, Bishop responds with apparent disdain for people attending TLM (“believe their own opinion is fact”, “my way or highway!”). Pretty disturbing.
 
Except Bishop Stika is not hostile to TLM…
 
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I think he is technically wrong. I have never once heard that we do not worship Jesus in the mass. The logic presented on this thread to say he is right us, to say the least, convoluted.

There is one God, we worship God. We cannot worship the Father, without worshipping the Son and the Holy Spirit. We cannot worship the Son without worshiping the Father and the Holy Spirit. We cannot worship the Holy Spirit without worshiping the Father and the Son. Worship is reserved for God, there is one God.
 
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IanM:
Anyway, the bishop has had four days to correct the tweet and I am surprised that this has not happened as yet.
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The silence is deafening
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Turns out the bishop did respond:

www.complicitclergy.com

An Open Letter Response to Bishop Stika

Your Excellency, Thank you for your Facebook response attempting to clarify the intent of your tweet from November 24, 2019. However, we are deeply saddened by your accusation that we are trying to harass you by suggesting our readers contact you and respectfully request a correction of your...
www.complicitclergy.com www.complicitclergy.com
 
Bishop’s response seems fine.

And whether that website wants to agree or not, it can indeed be harassment for a website to send all of its readers to some twitter or website to complain or post about something. That is precisely why this forum has forbidden threads that exhort everyone to do similar things.
 
Yeah, but notice, after all those “You alones,” the Gloria invokes the entire Trinity.
 
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Yeah, but notice, after all those “You alones,” the Gloria invokes the entire Trinity.
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Yes, the Holy Trinity. We affirm perichoreis or circumincession – the penetration and indwelling of the three divine persons reciprocally in one another.
 
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I knew this was false when I saw the thread title. I was betting it came from LifeSiteNews, but I was wrong. Even the name of this blog, Complicit Clergy, hints at its deep lack of charity and faith. And even when the bishop responds (see Post 38), they ignore his answer, look after their own legal defense, double down on the accusation, and wrap themselves in the Catechism. Disgusting.
 
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