Use of Communion Paten outside Mass

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Hi. I was wondering today if it was permissible during Communion of the Sick (ie. outside of Mass), to use a Paten in distribution of the Eucharist to avoid any particle of the Blessed Sacrament falling on the floor. What are the pastoral/practical requirements of this please?
 
Quoting YoungTradCath: “Why not?”

Well, with some of the Novus Ordo controversy, I thought the progressives would have something to say about introducing something as “pre-vatican II” as Communion patens.
 
Quoting YoungTradCath: “Why not?”

Well, with some of the Novus Ordo controversy, I thought the progressives would have something to say about introducing something as “pre-vatican II” as Communion patens.
meh
 
Quoting YoungTradCath: “Why not?”

Well, with some of the Novus Ordo controversy, I thought the progressives would have something to say about introducing something as “pre-vatican II” as Communion patens.
Progressivists need to suck it up. I am not a traditionalist. I am not a progressive. I’m Catholic. My concern is not personal preference, but making sure the Eucharistic Species is in no way desecrated.

If we’re working to protect the Eucharistic Species and someone is disagreeing because we’re using a communion paten to do so, their heart is obviously not in the right place.

That being said, the patten may be awkward to carry around, and it would need to be cleansed before being put away. I would personally recommend the use of a large “hospital pyx”, and holding that under the chin of the communicant. Any fragments would be caught in the pyx, which could be cleansed when it was returned to the Church.
 
Quoting YoungTradCath: “Why not?”

**Well, with some of the Novus Ordo controversy, I thought the progressives would have something to say about introducing something as “pre-vatican II” as Communion patens./**QUOTE]

A totaling unnecessary comment that added nothing to the discussion.

Now that you got your jab at people who you label progressives – do you feel better now?
 
Matt241;10847194:
Quoting YoungTradCath: “Why not?”

Well, with some of the Novus Ordo c ontroversy, I thought the progressives would have something to say about introducing something as “pre-vatican II” as Communion patens./
QUOTE]

A totaling unnecessary comment that added nothing to the discussion.

Now that you got your jab at people who you label progressives – do you feel better now?

This. The schismatic Sedevacantists miles well blame the novus ordo for the past heresies such as Arianism.
 
coachdennis;10847421:
This. The schismatic Sedevacantists miles well blame the novus ordo for the past heresies such as Arianism.
Now that you got your jab at people who you label progressives – do you feel better now?
Well, with some of the Novus Ordo controversy, I thought the progressives would have something to say about introducing something as “pre-vatican II” as Communion patens.
Although I am not the original poster, I will kindly ask everyone to keep the conversation on-topic, and stop accusing or labeling other people. None of this is helping. It’s just dividing us.
 
Love the way a simple question turns ugly. See how those Christians love one another indeed.

From a purely practical point of view, how would you use it? You hold the pyx in one hand, remove the host with the other, and hold the paten with…well, if it were me I would have run out of hands at that point.
 
Love the way a simple question turns ugly. See how those Christians love one another indeed.

From a purely practical point of view, how would you use it? You hold the pyx in one hand, remove the host with the other, and hold the paten with…well, if it were me I would have run out of hands at that point.
This is what I was thinking. I have been doing this for years and really cannot imagine how I would add a paten to the mix. There is usually very little space in a hospital room on which to place prayer cards and missalettes and purse/keys. A pyx requires two hands. Maybe the larger pyx idea whould be best as long as it does not also collect crumbs of food or saliva that would then contaminate the rest of the consecrated hosts for the next visitee. Just be careful and you should not have a need for a paten.
 
Thank you, all those who provided constructive answers. And, I am also neither Traditionalist, Modernist, progressive or whatever-else you wish to label me, I am Catholic, I can see the good in both forms of liturgy, I had no wish to be “divisive” by employing those particular terms, and I apologise unreservedly for any hurt those semantics may have caused anyone.
 
I hope everyone understands the difference between the paten and the communion-plate. In Mass the bread is consecrated on the paten.

The 2004 Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum (at vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html ) includes:

“[93.] The Communion-plate for the Communion of the faithful should be retained, so as to avoid the danger of the sacred host or some fragment of it falling. [Footnote 180: Cf. Missale Romanum, Institutio Generalis, n. 118.]”

The General Instruction of the Roman Missal describes how a Communion-plate is to be used in Mass.

“287. If Communion from the chalice is carried out by intinction, each communicant, holding a communion-plate under the mouth, approaches the Priest who holds a vessel with the sacred particles, with a minister standing at his side and holding the chalice.”

The only other mention of the Communion-plate in the GIRM is 118c:

“118. The following are also to be prepared:
a. Next to the priest’s chair: the Missal and, as needed, a hymnal;
b. At the ambo: the Lectionary;
c. On the credence table: the chalice, a corporal, a purificator, and, if appropriate, the pall; the paten and, if needed, ciboria; bread for the Communion of the priest who presides, the deacon, the ministers, and the people; cruets containing the wine and the water, unless all of these are presented by the faithful in procession at the Offertory; the vessel of water to be blessed, if the asperges occurs; the Communion-plate for the Communion of the faithful; and whatever is needed for the washing of hands.”

The 1975 GIRM mentioned the Communion-plate more often, including when receiving Communion normally (not by intinction).

The liturgical book “Holy Communion and the Worship of the Eucharist Outside of Mass” has:

“V. REGULATIONS FOR GIVING COMMUNION
19. When communion is given is a church or oratory, a corporal is to be placed on the altar, which is already covered with a cloth, and there are to be two lighted candles as a sign of reverence and festiveness. A communion plate is to be used.
When communion is given in other places, a suitable table is to be prepared and covered with a cloth; candles are also to be provided.”

Also:
“36. After communion the minister puts any particle left on the plate into the pyx, and he may wash his hands. He returns the remaining hosts to the tabernacle and genuflects.” Also in n. 49 has the same sentence, which describes the short rite for Communion Outside of Mass.

Chapter Two is on Communion to the sick. It does not mention the plate. Instead it has: “62. After communion the minister washes the vessel as ususal.” The same sentence is used in n. 77, for viaticum.

The Latin seems to have different spelling for the paten (spelt “patena”) and the communion-plate (spelt “patina”). The Latin edition of Holy Communion and the Worship of the Eucharist Outside of Mass uses the term “patina” in n. 19 and 36.

So difficult instructions to interpret. The mention of the communion-plate seems to have been deliberately removed from the description of receiving communion other than by intinction in the GIRM. It also seems to have been deliberately removed for communion outside of Mass that is not in a church or oratory. On the other hand, the 2004 Instruction says it is to be retained for Mass.

I think the communion-plate is optional for Communion for the sick. It is required for Communion Outside Mass in a church or oratory.
 
Quoting YoungTradCath: “Why not?”

Well, with some of the Novus Ordo controversy, I thought the progressives would have something to say about introducing something as “pre-vatican II” as Communion patens.
One of the most happy-clappy parishes I’ve seen (female alter servers, could mistake it for lutheran for the lack of Catholic art) uses them…

I much prefer the Byzantine tradition - a purificator held by two servers between and under the chalice and the neck… But I’ve seen that done in the Roman rite, too. In a village parish.

The paten is particularly reverent for when intinction is used.

For communing the sick, if there is significant risk of the body being dropped, using a purificator may be a good idea - fewer hands needed, still catches the particles, which can then be returned to the pyx, and is more comfortable to both travel with and have stuck under one’s chin.
 
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