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Is anyone familiar with the use of a om gong/singing bowl that was used after Communion Prayer to identifying the beginning and then end of quiet prayer time.

It is the first time I have come across the use of a singing bowl being used during mass. Does this occur in other parishes?
 
I have never heard of it however; I like to utilyze the entire time for quiet prayer time so, I am glad my church does not practice it.
 
Is anyone familiar with the use of a om gong/singing bowl that was used after Communion Prayer to identifying the beginning and then end of quiet prayer time.

It is the first time I have come across the use of a singing bowl being used during mass. Does this occur in other parishes?
how i miss that,…
yes still some parishes use it…
 
Is anyone familiar with the use of a om gong/singing bowl that was used after Communion Prayer to identifying the beginning and then end of quiet prayer time.

It is the first time I have come across the use of a singing bowl being used during mass. Does this occur in other parishes?
Yes, and although I can’t give you chapter and verse, it’s an illicit import from the New Age world.

A singing bowl is just a metal bowl that vibrates when you wipe its rim around in circles with a special mallet. Aficionados of eastern meditation have a lot to say about the meanings and effects of the whole thing. Its sudden appearance in Catholic churches is a sign that liturgists heard about Tibetan Buddhist meditation practices at some point and the role of “singing bowls” and decided that this would be a nice thing to force on us during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, since, you know, Christians meditate after communion and all that, so we should do what the Buddhists do, because everything non-Western is automatically better.
 
Yes, and although I can’t give you chapter and verse, it’s an illicit import from the New Age world.

A singing bowl is just a metal bowl that vibrates when you wipe its rim around in circles with a special mallet. Aficionados of eastern meditation have a lot to say about the meanings and effects of the whole thing. Its sudden appearance in Catholic churches is a sign that liturgists heard about Tibetan Buddhist meditation practices at some point and the role of “singing bowls” and decided that this would be a nice thing to force on us during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, since, you know, Christians meditate after communion and all that, so we should do what the Buddhists do, because everything non-Western is automatically better.
Or it could just be that in our typical restless way, we need a signal to remind us when it is time to shut up, be quiet, and pray or meditate on what just happened.

It used to be of course that Catholics automatically knew when that was (i.e. the instant we set foot in the church before Mass, after each reading, and the homily, and after communion). Decades of poor catechesis have caught up to us.

While I don’t see anything sinister in some kind of discrete signal to start meditation I would tend to agree that it would be best to remind Catholics of their own traditions about what happens at Mass and how one is to behave in a church.

Until that can be done though I’ll take whatever means necessary for a quiet time. Fortunately in the abbey where I normally attend Mass, all we have to do is what the monks do and it all falls into place. Now there’s a licit tradition to follow! 😃
 
Yes, and although I can’t give you chapter and verse, it’s an illicit import from the New Age world.
I for one would be interested in knowing “chapter and verse” of why the use of a bell or an instrument of this type is illicit.
The fact that these are used in another faith tradition certainly is not something that makes them illicit and certainly the fact that they are part of a very old tradition, Buddhist, hardly makes them "New Age’…

For centuries the Church has used bells to call the faithful to worship and to mark points in mass. The most common are the bells at consecration.
So it seems that if there is something illicit about this it must be the use of a “signal” (bell or otherwise) in an given instance…

So - I would appreciate it if you, or someone, could provide the “chapter and verse” that you did not.
A singing bowl is just a metal bowl that vibrates when you wipe its rim around in circles with a special mallet. Aficionados of eastern meditation have a lot to say about the meanings and effects of the whole thing. Its sudden appearance in Catholic churches is a sign that liturgists heard about Tibetan Buddhist meditation practices at some point and the role of “singing bowls” and decided that this would be a nice thing to force on us during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, since, you know, Christians meditate after communion and all that, so we should do what the Buddhists do, because everything non-Western is automatically better.
While this editorial comment is interesting and educational, it does not provide me with any additional data that would indicate that the use of a specific type of instrument, bell or whatever is, in itself illicit.
Thanks for the link. The video was wonderful…What beautiful sounds are made on these instruments.
As for the blog link - I really did not find anything it that seemed to my (untrained) eye to be illicit practice…

Perhaps others can enlighten me…

Peace
James
 
I for one would be interested in knowing “chapter and verse” of why the use of a bell or an instrument of this type is illicit.
The fact that these are used in another faith tradition certainly is not something that makes them illicit and certainly the fact that they are part of a very old tradition, Buddhist, hardly makes them "New Age’…

For centuries the Church has used bells to call the faithful to worship and to mark points in mass. The most common are the bells at consecration.
So it seems that if there is something illicit about this it must be the use of a “signal” (bell or otherwise) in an given instance…

So - I would appreciate it if you, or someone, could provide the “chapter and verse” that you did not.

While this editorial comment is interesting and educational, it does not provide me with any additional data that would indicate that the use of a specific type of instrument, bell or whatever is, in itself illicit.

Thanks for the link. The video was wonderful…What beautiful sounds are made on these instruments.
As for the blog link - I really did not find anything it that seemed to my (untrained) eye to be illicit practice…

Perhaps others can enlighten me…

Peace
James
Sometimes a brass bowl is just a brass bowl. But because it has been introduced explicitly as an import from another faith tradition, especially under these circumstances, it may fairly and reasonably be judged in light of the liturgist’s intentions, which in my opinion are pretty clearly syncretistic.

To lump this together with the “use of a bell or other instrument” is to cloud the issue, because if it boiled down to that, there would be far fewer cultural distinctions around the world and far greater diversity within cultures. This singing-bowl thing has its own cultural and religious context that it grew out of, and the liturgist must have known this because she wouldn’t have gone out of her way to preserve the exact method of ringing it and to promote its use as bookends to a meditation period. It is not being imported into our liturgies just as an innocent method of signaling when to start and stop your post-communion meditations; it’s being imported out of a failure to appreciate cultural and religious differences for what they are.

Excusing the use of Tibetan Singing Bowls on the basis of their function, their *functional * similarity with western bells, is the same kind of thinking that underlies all sorts of culture-destroying confusion from artificial insemination to gay marriage. After all, as long as the egg and sperm are from the two parents, what difference does it make if they are brought together outside the context of marital relations? IVF serves the same function, doesn’t it? Or take marriage itself, it’s essentially a committed relationship, and if two people of the same sex are committed, well why not get married? It serves the same function, doesn’t it?

Take bread and wine as another example. If we can use Tibetan Singing Bowls because they serve a similar function in the context of Buddhist meditation, why not use pizza and coke for the college Newman Center masses instead of wheat bread and real wine? Or in the mission diocese of Fairbanks Alaska, seal-blubber and hot tea? Because for them, seal-blubber is their bread, and tea is their wine. If cultural and religious differences are so unimportant, then why aren’t they using smoldering bundles of sagebrush in the cathedrals of Europe instead of our traditional incense? Because for North American Indians, sage is their version of incense and serves the same function. Because it’s the *function *that makes it licit. Right? Or is there something missing here?

Educated westerners especially in the last century or so have the tendency to be a little more excited about the trappings of foreign cultures and tend to forget that we have our own ways of doing things that are just as appropriate and that grew organically in the context of our heritage.

This discussion reminds me of a story where an American kid learned about Japanese culture and decided he would do a little importing himself. So at the end of dinner he let out a wall-shaking belch. When his mother chastised him for bad table manners, he retorted that in Japan it means a compliment to the chef. Whereupon his dad reminded him that in Japan, parents cut the heads off disrespectful children with a sword. He never belched again at the table.

So anyway, if you still want chapter and verse: adoremus.org/doc_inculturation.html
 
Sanctus bells were first used by the Church in about the 5th century followed by the organ in the 8th century. The organ or some form of it was first used in gladiatorial matches. We are not prohibited from using sanctus bells which I like and miss at Mass along with incense on occassion.
I don’t know if I’m totally offended by the singing bowls at Mass. I’m assuming that if it were a predominately Oriental congregation, then it might be nice for them to hear something from a part of their own culture. For me, I’d be happy if they’d use the sanctus bells.
I’ve heard a priest talk about Buddha and Buddhism favorably from the pulpit. I wish he hadn’t. Maybe it and the singing bowls are an attempt at eccumenicism but our church has one lady of Asian decent and she’s a practicing Catholic. Also I have problems enough getting my head around my own faith without incorporating Buddha into it.
 
Sanctus bells were first used by the Church in about the 5th century followed by the organ in the 8th century. The organ or some form of it was first used in gladiatorial matches. We are not prohibited from using sanctus bells which I like and miss at Mass along with incense on occassion.
I don’t know if I’m totally offended by the singing bowls at Mass. I’m assuming that if it were a predominately Oriental congregation, then it might be nice for them to hear something from a part of their own culture. For me, I’d be happy if they’d use the sanctus bells.
I’ve heard a priest talk about Buddha and Buddhism favorably from the pulpit. I wish he hadn’t. Maybe it and the singing bowls are an attempt at eccumenicism but our church has one lady of Asian decent and she’s a practicing Catholic. Also I have problems enough getting my head around my own faith without incorporating Buddha into it.
I think we’re on the same page here. Organs are also used in baseball stadiums and in amusement park merry-go-rounds, but nobody thinks about it, because the contexts of those three settings are so radically different.

When I was working in a Catholic school one year, they had a mass for the student body. The student body was about half black and the rest was mixed white and other. One of the songs they sang was a lovely African hymn that came from an anonymous Anglican congregation in Swaziland and was in that language.

Back in the teachers’ lounge I asked why we sang it, and one of the teachers explained it was to celebrate the African-American students’ heritage. What happened next I will never forget for the rest of my life, in a Catholic school no doubt.

I asked when they sing Italian hymns in Italian and German hymns in German, since the rest of the student body was primarily those two huge ethnic minorities. Nobody said anything, probably because in asking that question I had just dug my own politically-incorrect grave. So I pressed on and asked how many students were African-American and she told me about 50%. I said no, I mean, African-American not as in “black” but African from Africa, and she said she didn’t know the exact number, but there was at least one family with a couple kids in kindergarten there who were from Kenya that she knew of.

I said I thought American blacks were practically all from west Africa, whose ancestors were kidnapped and sold into slavery here in America, and that in the last 2-300 years or so have developed a culture of their own that is a sub-part of American culture but really and truly distinct from any African culture, and so how would it be a celebration of their culture that they’ve had now for maybe six-seven generations here in America, if we’re singing hymns from southern Africa which is literally at the other end of the continent?

Wouldn’t that be the same as if I was Polish and I stopped in for Mass in the Vietnamese church downtown and when everybody sees me coming in they all flip to some Portuguese hymn in Portuguese to “celebrate” my European heritage? It’s the thought that counts, but if it’s deliberate and planned ahead of time that would be incredibly condescending. It’s like they’re saying to the kids, “Oh you poor little things, you don’t have a culture of your own, so us white academics will construct one for you and give it to you even though you have essentially no connection with it and even though you and your extended family have a perfectly good one as it is”.

I’m no longer with that school.
 
Thank you all for replying …

I agree that the singing bowl is not a new age concept, as it has been used by Buddhist Tibetans for sound healing, meditation, ritual, prayer and trance induction. There is a vast cultural mix within the congregation so I do not feel that the use of the singing bowl is used in respect to meeting the needs of a particular culture.

I am wondering whether the use of the singing bowl has been introduced because of past believes/practices or if it has been incorporated to assist with meditation. 🤷
 
I saw a singing bowl once. It was in a New Age store called East West Living. I wanted to save up money for it but I never bought it.

I don’t know if I have anything against having a singing bowl in my house but I don’t think it belongs in the church. We are curious people. Someone sees a singing bowl at mass, next thing you know they’re Googling around. They buy a singing bowl and next thing you know they have a collection of Buddhist and New Age items.

Can’t protect everyone from outer influence but still.
 
Sometimes a brass bowl is just a brass bowl. But because it has been introduced explicitly as an import from another faith tradition, especially under these circumstances, it may fairly and reasonably be judged in light of the liturgist’s intentions, which in my opinion are pretty clearly syncretistic.

To lump this together with the “use of a bell or other instrument” is to cloud the issue, because if it boiled down to that, there would be far fewer cultural distinctions around the world and far greater diversity within cultures. This singing-bowl thing has its own cultural and religious context that it grew out of, and the liturgist must have known this because she wouldn’t have gone out of her way to preserve the exact method of ringing it and to promote its use as bookends to a meditation period. It is not being imported into our liturgies just as an innocent method of signaling when to start and stop your post-communion meditations; it’s being imported out of a failure to appreciate cultural and religious differences for what they are.

Excusing the use of Tibetan Singing Bowls on the basis of their function, their *functional * similarity with western bells, is the same kind of thinking that underlies all sorts of culture-destroying confusion from artificial insemination to gay marriage. After all, as long as the egg and sperm are from the two parents, what difference does it make if they are brought together outside the context of marital relations? IVF serves the same function, doesn’t it? Or take marriage itself, it’s essentially a committed relationship, and if two people of the same sex are committed, well why not get married? It serves the same function, doesn’t it?

Take bread and wine as another example. If we can use Tibetan Singing Bowls because they serve a similar function in the context of Buddhist meditation, why not use pizza and coke for the college Newman Center masses instead of wheat bread and real wine? Or in the mission diocese of Fairbanks Alaska, seal-blubber and hot tea? Because for them, seal-blubber is their bread, and tea is their wine. If cultural and religious differences are so unimportant, then why aren’t they using smoldering bundles of sagebrush in the cathedrals of Europe instead of our traditional incense? Because for North American Indians, sage is their version of incense and serves the same function. Because it’s the *function *that makes it licit. Right? Or is there something missing here?

Educated westerners especially in the last century or so have the tendency to be a little more excited about the trappings of foreign cultures and tend to forget that we have our own ways of doing things that are just as appropriate and that grew organically in the context of our heritage.

This discussion reminds me of a story where an American kid learned about Japanese culture and decided he would do a little importing himself. So at the end of dinner he let out a wall-shaking belch. When his mother chastised him for bad table manners, he retorted that in Japan it means a compliment to the chef. Whereupon his dad reminded him that in Japan, parents cut the heads off disrespectful children with a sword. He never belched again at the table.

So anyway, if you still want chapter and verse: adoremus.org/doc_inculturation.html
Thank you for the exposition of your thoughts on the matter. Your thoughts and mine do not seem to mesh in this case.
The problem I see is that we can too quickly and wrongly assign characteristics to an inanimate object that simply do not exist in reality. A singing bowl by itself is not a sacramental so far as I know - it is simply an object - an instrument. If it is shown that these items ARE sacramentals, blessed in some way etc, then I could see there being a problem. Likewise, if there is something in the GIRM that precludes the use of a signal in the mass then I can see this as being illicit. But illicit for a different reason than simply using an object from a different culture.

I took a brief look at the linked piece and really found nothing all that helpful to clearing the matter up for me. The article seems mainly pointed at the mission field and less toward older and well established Latin Rite communities.
Perhaps someone else can offer some help.

Peace
James
 
Thank you for the exposition of your thoughts on the matter. Your thoughts and mine do not seem to mesh in this case.
The problem I see is that we can too quickly and wrongly assign characteristics to an inanimate object that simply do not exist in reality. A singing bowl by itself is not a sacramental so far as I know - it is simply an object - an instrument. If it is shown that these items ARE sacramentals, blessed in some way etc, then I could see there being a problem. Likewise, if there is something in the GIRM that precludes the use of a signal in the mass then I can see this as being illicit. But illicit for a different reason than simply using an object from a different culture.

I took a brief look at the linked piece and really found nothing all that helpful to clearing the matter up for me. The article seems mainly pointed at the mission field and less toward older and well established Latin Rite communities.
Perhaps someone else can offer some help.

Peace
James
I hear what you are saying James. I should have made myself clearer in my first post, I didn’t think ahead that the thread would take this angle. No problems though.

In the distant past I delved into the “new age” side for a short while - with the intention to do good - none of my short involvement was for harm on others. I found those around me where involved for different reasons, more sinister - one particular person had a JezebeI Spirit - so I turned my back to the “new age” and returned back to the church for good. I do have a clear understanding of the meaning behind using singing bowls. Some understandings of the om sound can be described as the planets primordial vibration from which the entire universe has arisen. In Hindu religion - Om is the name of the Lord, and what He means, the truth of the Lord. There are many interpretations dependent no different to other religions.

What happens to me when the singing bowl is being used during mass is that it opens my brow chakra (third eye/ajna), which I thought had been laid to rest a long time ago. So during this time of intentional prayer I am concentrating on closing it down instead of praying. My concern is the spiritual danger it imposes on me and perhaps others on a that spiritual level (whether they are aware or unaware) Not because the singing bowl can be seen as an inanimate object or that it is being used as a signal for quiet time to pray.

This experience for me has developed a growing reluctance to return back to this particular parish and mass, I have been going to weekday mass instead - though it is not practical when I am working. I could go to mass in another town, though the drive will be long. I would like to to discuss this with the particular priest, I am concerned that it will fall on deaf ears.
 
Yes, and although I can’t give you chapter and verse, it’s an illicit import from the New Age world.

A singing bowl is just a metal bowl that vibrates when you wipe its rim around in circles with a special mallet. Aficionados of eastern meditation have a lot to say about the meanings and effects of the whole thing. Its sudden appearance in Catholic churches is a sign that liturgists heard about Tibetan Buddhist meditation practices at some point and the role of “singing bowls” and decided that this would be a nice thing to force on us during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, since, you know, Christians meditate after communion and all that, so we should do what the Buddhists do, because everything non-Western is automatically better.
How right you are. Things from pagan religions should not be imported into Catholicism, even if they are popular and are given new meanings. For example, before Constantine pagan Romans had a high priest called a Pontiff Maximus. Use of a singing bowl would as outrageous as using this title for the Pope.
 
I hear what you are saying James. I should have made myself clearer in my first post, I didn’t think ahead that the thread would take this angle. No problems though.

In the distant past I delved into the “new age” side for a short while - with the intention to do good - none of my short involvement was for harm on others. I found those around me where involved for different reasons, more sinister - one particular person had a JezebeI Spirit - so I turned my back to the “new age” and returned back to the church for good. I do have a clear understanding of the meaning behind using singing bowls. Some understandings of the om sound can be described as the planets primordial vibration from which the entire universe has arisen. In Hindu religion - Om is the name of the Lord, and what He means, the truth of the Lord. There are many interpretations dependent no different to other religions.

What happens to me when the singing bowl is being used during mass is that it opens my brow chakra (third eye/ajna), which I thought had been laid to rest a long time ago. So during this time of intentional prayer I am concentrating on closing it down instead of praying. My concern is the spiritual danger it imposes on me and perhaps others on a that spiritual level (whether they are aware or unaware) Not because the singing bowl can be seen as an inanimate object or that it is being used as a signal for quiet time to pray.

This experience for me has developed a growing reluctance to return back to this particular parish and mass, I have been going to weekday mass instead - though it is not practical when I am working. I could go to mass in another town, though the drive will be long. I would like to to discuss this with the particular priest, I am concerned that it will fall on deaf ears.
Thank you for this clarification. It certainly points up why this sound is disturbing to you. Obviously something that you need to take to Christ in Prayer. I also think that it might be good to bring the matter to your priest - not to ask him to stop using it necessarily but rather - to discuss what what you explain above. He might have some ideas that could help.
Having never heard of this before (brow chakra) I took a brief look at the description. Frankly I did not see a lot there to disturb me in the described purpose. I can see several things in it that strike me as the very things we hope to gain from our association with the Holy Spirit.
  • BUT then - I have never been exposed to all the things that surround this - the various teachings, settings etc. and certainly for one who was once involved with the New Age or Buddhist or Hindu faiths I can see this as being an issue.
Having now described my ignorance, I will make bold to offer a suggestion. Perhaps what is needed is a process of desensitization, or a redirection of your reaction to that sound.
We all have history where certain places, certain sounds, smells or sights are associated with something sinful in our past. Often times w can ignore them or even avoid these things. Occasionally they are tied to our daily lives and we must learn to deal with them.
It may be that you need to prayerfully seek to redirect your response to the sound, by careful and consistent training.

When I was seeking to overcome a particular sinful habit, but knew I could not avoid the temptation, I developed the technique of using a specific image (the foot of the cross) to combat the temptation. Each time I was tempted to the sin, I prayed, “Father take me to the foot of the cross”, where I concentrated on the sights the smells the very flavor of that day. And it worked.

I believe that with time, prayer and a determined effort, you can overcome what disturbs you and redirect your thought response to where hearing this sound will automatically call your thoughts to Christ and to the Father in grateful thanksgiving for God’s many gifts to you…

Peace
James
 
How right you are. Things from pagan religions should not be imported into Catholicism, even if they are popular and are given new meanings. For example, before Constantine pagan Romans had a high priest called a Pontiff Maximus. Use of a singing bowl would as outrageous as using this title for the Pope.
That’s interesting and shows how some words orginate with one connotation and over the course of years, and centuries, have a different meaning.

Also I think we have to consider the circumstances and the thinking process of the early Christians two thousand plus years ago. Considering they had been persecuted ruthlessly…lions, burnings, crucifixions and what ever was the process du jour…I don’t think they were going to take issue with what the Emperor wanted to call the head of the Church as long as it was respectful. You must choose your battles.

Constantine, and I’m sure you know this, did not convert until he was on his deathbed. He may have promised earlier but he stayed in the pagan world. This might have been a good indication he could slip back into the ways of other emperors who persecuted Christians. Consequently, one would tread lightly.
 
In the broader sense these sorts of things have been fought out over the millennia from the term Pontiff, to the Christianizing of previously pagan festivals, and symbols.
Christmas contains at least two of these since the Church co-opted the fact that many cultures had a winter solstice celebration - in Rome, Saturnalia - and one of our Christmas customs, the Christmas evergreen tree is adapted from Germanic Paganism…

St Xavier, when he traveled to India on mission, discovered that the previous efforts had had little real effect on the population because the faith and simply been “imposed” without any real understanding of the local beliefs or efforts to truly teach the faith in Christ. St Xavier sought to change this by learning what the locals believed and then adapting his teaching to draw on these influences.
This is not unlike when St Paul came before the Greeks, surrounded by statues of their gods and proclaimed, "* So Paul, standing in the middle of the Are-op’agus, said: “Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious. For as I passed along, and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription, ‘To an unknown god.’ What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you.*” (Acts 17:22-23)

Our God is not limited, nor is He afraid of any object within His own creation. Neither should we, as His children fear such things for they have no power unless we, in our own weakness, give them power.

Peace
James
 
Is anyone familiar with the use of a om gong/singing bowl that was used after Communion Prayer to identifying the beginning and then end of quiet prayer time.

It is the first time I have come across the use of a singing bowl being used during mass. Does this occur in other parishes?
This is formally prohibited. You can find a footnote in the sanctus bells booklet available at www.SmellsBells.com that notes the official Church documents.
 
I for one would be interested in knowing “chapter and verse” of why the use of a bell or an instrument of this type is illicit.
The fact that these are used in another faith tradition certainly is not something that makes them illicit and certainly the fact that they are part of a very old tradition, Buddhist, hardly makes them "New Age’…
Agree. Mine is a 7 metal bowl that’s about 400 yrs old. You can strike it like a bell on the side, or use the rim to elicit a tone. It’s simply an instrument outside of the culture it came from and I see no reason not to use it in place of other attention-getting means. Everything about the Liturgy doesn’t have to come from Europe.
 
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