Useful link to New Missal changes

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MarkThompson said:
Agreed, though it bears remembering that they picked what was at the time the dominant language in their culture, a language very much living and spoken on the streets.
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Liturgical Latin was practically its own dialect. The style of Latin used in the liturgy was not “street Latin”.
 
japhy said:
Liturgical Latin was practically its own dialect. The style of Latin used in the liturgy was not “street Latin”.
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By 1200, sure. I don’t believe that to have been the case in, say, 200 or 300.
 
ProVobis said:
It is a remarkable phenomenon that many religions of the world, or major branches of them, hold on to a language as dear to them. We cannot think of the Jewish religion without Hebrew. Islam holds Arabic as sacred to the Qur’an. Classical Hinduism considers Sanskrit its official language. Buddhism has its sacred texts in Pali.
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Jewish isn’t a universal religion. not anyone can just become Jewish
same for Hinduism, which didn’t spread to other cultures. there are Hindus around the world, but they are always of East Indian heritage

why do we want Catholicism to be like their religion? why do we have to live to their standards? i thought we were the ones who hold the truth?
 
MarkThompson said:
By 1200, sure. I don’t believe that to have been the case in, say, 200 or 300.
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The opinion of Latin scholar Dr. Christine Mohrmann is that:
“The earliest liturgical Latin is a strongly stylized, more or less artificial language, of which many elements–for instance the Orations–were not easily understood even by the average Christian of the fifth century or later.” (Liturgical Latin Its Origins and Character)
 
Referring back to the OP - These are really corrections rather than changes.
All upcoming have been reviewed and approved by the Pope.
The problem is that some Masses have gotten too far away from the Latin translation, and the Bible. They simply are not as respectful or beautiful.
I’ll be glad to have Mass the same all over the US. The sooner the better, but it won’t be until 2011.
 
japhy said:
The opinion of Latin scholar Dr. Christine Mohrmann is that:
“The earliest liturgical Latin is a strongly stylized, more or less artificial language, of which many elements–for instance the Orations–were not easily understood even by the average Christian of the fifth century or later.” (Liturgical Latin Its Origins and Character)
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Fair enough, that sounds not unreasonable. By the way – and to get back on topic – have you heard anything more about Dom Ruff’s asserted changes to the Order of Mass?
 
MarkThompson said:
have you heard anything more about Dom Ruff’s asserted changes to the Order of Mass?
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Not a thing. Not even a reply to my comment, saying “no, I don’t have a source to link to yet.”

I’m writing my catechesis on the priest’s prayers, and I’m going full steam ahead for now. I won’t publish it until I’ve gotten a chance to look at the changes, though. I don’t want my book to be obsolete the day after I release it to the world. 🤷
 
I am excited about the forthcoming changes! When I grew up, Mass was in Latin, and the current responses in the Mass are very close to the Anglican responses. I will welcome a more faithful translation.
Leslie †
 
lesliejean said:
I am excited about the forthcoming changes! When I grew up, Mass was in Latin, and the current responses in the Mass are very close to the Anglican responses. I will welcome a more faithful translation.
Leslie †
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I’m excited too.
I haven’t had a good look at the corrected translation, but I grew up an Anglican and always used the Book of Common Prayer.
The response to "The Lord be with you."
was always "And with thy spirit."
One reason I liked the EF upon my conversion was that it reminded me of the Anglican communion services.
 
MarkThompson said:
Fair enough, that sounds not unreasonable. By the way – and to get back on topic – have you heard anything more about Dom Ruff’s asserted changes to the Order of Mass?
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Mark, as a new Catholic I am very disturbed by these comments about the new Missal by Fr. Anthony Ruff:

praytellblog.com/index.php/2010/11/06/translation-directory-watch-this-space/

They seem to conflict with what has been said publicly by ICEL, Monsignor Wadsworth, Monsignor Moroney, and Vox Clara.

Can anyone tell me more about Fr. Ruff’s background? This was all i could find on him, and I was particularly distrubed by his comments on the Catholic Church’s teachings on homosexuality:

Fr. Anthony Ruff Biography/
 
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