Using and understanding the CCC

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I have a question for you. Are you thinking of returning to the Catholic Church?
No, not really. I was considering it a few years ago…that is why I looked into RCIA, and began doing some research on the net. But what I have learned has led me farther, not closer to returning.

However, I am not closed to the idea, and am still looking for the truth reguarding the church and her teachings.
 
No, not really. I was considering it a few years ago…that is why I looked into RCIA, and began doing some research on the net. But what I have learned has led me farther, not closer to returning.

However, I am not closed to the idea, and am still looking for the truth reguarding the church and her teachings.
I wonder how many people have withdrawn in their approach to the Faith because of a weasly experience with RCIA? It almost killed me. But in the end it was good. We learn humility through humiliation. And if you think I’m an arrogant so-and-so NOW, you should have known me 10 years ago!
 
Technically, the CCC was intended for bishops and they were supposed to make more lay friendly versions based on it–but it caught on greatly with the laity too. Likewise, the Roman Catechism (or Catechism of Trent) was intended for use by priests. The only universal Catechism specifically intended for use by the laity is the Catechism of St. Pius X, but it never really caught on.
 
No, not really. I was considering it a few years ago…that is why I looked into RCIA, and began doing some research on the net. But what I have learned has led me farther, not closer to returning.

However, I am not closed to the idea, and am still looking for the truth reguarding the church and her teachings.
Seek the Truth. If you want real Catholic Teaching you seek out the Church’s official teachings on the doctrine of the faith and its teaching on morals.

I don’t recommend getting some facts about the Catholic Church from Non-Catholic sources. They will give you a bias opinion on the Church, such as Lorraine Boettner’s Roman Catholicism (main source of Anti-Catholic Propaganda).

Get Catholic information from reliable Catholic sources.

I have know some Protestants who think the Catholic Church has an authentic teaching on faith and moral, even though they do not agree. They do not held a bias on many false assumptions that most Protestants make against the Church.
 
Seek the Truth. If you want real Catholic Teaching you seek out the Church’s official teachings on the doctrine of the faith and its teaching on morals.

I don’t recommend getting some facts about the Catholic Church from Non-Catholic sources. They will give you a bias opinion on the Church, such as Lorraine Boettner’s Roman Catholicism (main source of Anti-Catholic Propaganda).

Get Catholic information from reliable Catholic sources.

I have know some Protestants who think the Catholic Church has an authentic teaching on faith and moral, even though they do not agree. They do not held a bias on many false assumptions that most Protestants make against the Church.
I agree completely, that is why I am here, and sometimes listen to EWTN, etc. I never go to non-catholic sites for info on Catholicism. That is why I called my sister for help when I was unsure of some things I read here (posted by people, not out of official Catholic teachings) because she has the resources and backround to help me.

People have suggested that perhaps I had not be taught correct cathechism when young. So far, I haven’t come across anything I was taught that was false, though apparently some practices of those around me might have been less than official teachings.
 
I agree completely, that is why I am here, and sometimes listen to EWTN, etc. I never go to non-catholic sites for info on Catholicism. That is why I called my sister for help when I was unsure of some things I read here (posted by people, not out of official Catholic teachings) because she has the resources and backround to help me.

People have suggested that perhaps I had not be taught correct cathechism when young. So far, I haven’t come across anything I was taught that was false, though apparently some practices of those around me might have been less than official teachings.
I respect you for going after this as an adult and not limiting yourself to teachings that, though perhaps accurate, might have been presented in a way that a child could understand them and thus not satisfy your adult need for accuracy and fullness.
 
I was raised Catholic but I had no idea what that meant.

My father just took me to Mass and made sure my mother enrolled me into CCD. Bless his heart he tried.

You know how some people “know” math but can’t teach it?
That is my father. My mother? Not much help.

Funny thing is I learned about the Catholic Church through other denominations.

I would research about a denomination, its founder then discover that they had broken off from the Catholic Church.

It was this way that I discovered the truth.
Just for an example:

Pentecostal
Who founded it?
Charles Fox Parham in 1901
What was he before?
Methodist
Who founded it?
James and Charles Wesley in 1744
What were they?
Church of England
Who started it?
King Henry the VIII in 1534
What was he before?
Catholic

Want a non-biased view of the Catholic Church?

The History Channel and the dictionary have at times been useful.

I’m glad you got something you could use.

I finished all my sacraments but decided to join RCIA this year because I want to learn more.

You ever think that maybe the devil wants to keep you right where you are? Just a thought.
 
The EWTN show was several weeks back, so I don’t have the numbers of the paragraphs in front of me, but they were concerning if people outside of the Catholic faith could be saved.
You know, years ago while listening to Catholic Answers, it seems like this topic came up. I’ve heard different things…along the lines of … if you know of the Catholic Faith and you do not accept it (IOW, if you’ve been exposed to the truth) you will not be saved. I don’t know…I intend to completely investigate this before becoming Catholic.

Cheddarsox, you’ve been on these forums for a while. I’ve read your posts for the past few years. I’m pretty sure that you and I have been along some of the same paths of seeking the truth. (I can say that I was Pagan for a little while)…anyway… the Catholic Faith feels comfortable to me. I will pray for your journey.
 
I was wondering if many here find the CCC to be a very useful resource.

Lately, I’ve had some rough experiences with it. In trying to give Catholicism a fair shake and understand what it REALLY teaches as opposed to what some improperly catechised Catholics may claim it teaches…I’ve turned to it.

. . . .Is this how others find it? That the CCC is so hard to interpret or understand that one needs a Canon Lawyer to figure out the faith?

I am starting to believe what people have told me, that when I left the faith I didn’t truly understand it. But I am starting to wonder if anyone CAN understand it…without having a Canon Lawyer handy.

There is so much there…how much does one have to know to be a good functioning Catholic? Are Catholics expected to read all of the CCC, encyclicals, bulls, etc?
starting with your last paragraph, no you don’t have to study all the writings, in fact, the footnotes in the CCC give you the sources in those writings (and scripture), and in fact the actual cites are in a companion volume, but no, that is more than you need to know at this point.

the CCC is a reference book, not a text book.

it helps to take a basic course in how to use and navigate the book, and any good RCIA or confirmation class will, toward the end, give such instruction, but the course will limp along if the only book used is the CCC.

think of it as the instructions to the 1040, which distills masses of tax code to tell you what amount to enter on line 22 or whatever. You don’t need to know the tax code, you just need to know enough to know whether you have an amount that belongs on line 22. And yes, most of us find we need professional guidance if we have anything more complex than 1040 EZ. But once you have taken a rather simple DIY tax course, you know enough to do your own return, unless it gets much more complex than the standard 1040. You can even learn enough in a 3-month course to work for H&R Block preparing simple returns. That is the level the new Catholic should be on, just beginning lifelong learning in the faith.

You need to know enough to make the Profession of Faith in good conscience, to accept those foundational doctrines expressed in the Creed, and to accept the Church’s authority, given by Christ, protected by the Holy Spirit, in expounding and teaching those doctrines. You don’t have to be able to explain them to another person yourself, at least not at this point.

You need to know enough of the moral teaching to examine your own life and conduct in its light, to know how to fight temptation, and to feel remorse when you transgress. You need to know the basic sacramental economy, and how to have recourse to the grace of the sacraments, and to know and accept above all that Christ is present in all the sacraments, personally and truly, through the action of the Eucharist, in which he is present Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.

You need to know the elements of Christian prayer, as expressed in the Our Father, the template for all prayer, and how to participate in the liturgical (public) prayer of the Church, and to unite your private prayer with that of the whole Church.

Yes the CCC is the basic reference tool, but understand that one topic may be discussed from several angles in different parts of the book. For instance, the Holy Spirit is discussed in the beginning, in the part on Divine Revelation, further along in the section of the Creed where He is mentioned, in the discussion of the sacraments, particularly Confirmation, and elsewhere.

CCC is not a canon law primer, nor it is a guide to liturgy, so it will not answer specific questions on those topics. It will state the doctrine, and the sources for the development of the doctrine, that govern those topics. So no, you would not go to the CCC for a question about canon law or conduct of the Mass.

Of more immediate use for a basic foundational class in doctrine are both the new US Catholic Catechism for Adults, which has many study guides available, and the Compendium, a Q&A format which is invaluable in finding the “short answer” to your questions. Also many publishers of catechetical materials have prepared basic catechisms for instruction, Alan Schrenk’s and Fr. McBride’s being among the most accessible and useful.

also the CCC is hard to search, even on the bishop’s website usccb.org. a much more easily searchable catechism is on catholicity.com, click on the appropriate link on the lower right of the homepage.
 
Do not just attempt RCIA… GO…

I just showed up and started classes… I never filled out any paperwork or anything. Our priest taught the class and it was wonderful… I became Catholic at Easter 2007. I only missed one Class during RCIA last year due to illness. The classes were so good that I’m doing it again starting tomorrow.
 
I was wondering if many here find the CCC to be a very useful resource.



Is this how others find it? That the CCC is so hard to interpret or understand that one needs a Canon Lawyer to figure out the faith?
I, too, find it confusing. But then, it depends on the questions - sometimes, I go in looking for an unanswerable question (Why do Catholics woship Mary? would be one of these, SINCE WE DON’T WORSHIP MARY)

I believe that the more that I have used it, the less confusing it has been for me.

I have also been using an online version and I also have one on my Palm Pilot.

I took a class recently, and several of our assignments meant reading CHAPTERS of the CCC. I found that, much like the Bible, if you read a VERSE (or paragraph), it can be pretty vague. Reading the chapter, or at least most of the chapter, makes things lots clearer.

Perhaps if you were to share with us which paragraphs you felt were contradictory, we could better understand your confusion.
 
Stick with the Baltimore Catechism and Roman Catechism (aka the Catechism of the Council of Trent). These are very clear about Catholic Faith, Morality, and Piety. The CCC, to put it plainly, is Protestant friendly and is worded in such a way as to not offend anyone, even if it makes the Truth, which Jesus came to bear testimony of, hard to understand. If .
having worked with the CCC almost daily since its publications, I have to protest this judgement. The CCC is an immense gift. Yes the above referenced catechisms are great and should be in the library of anyone engaged in serious advanced study of the faith, but IMO poster’s assertion is simply untrue, and because it attacks the magesterial authority of the Church, verges on dissent.

if you are looking for a quick and easy but thoroughly reliable discussion of some of the most common questions asked about the faith, in a very reader-friendly format, you could not do better than Catholicism for Dummies.
 
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