Using the pill to prevent pregnancy

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Its morally wrong, we Catholic know. I am thinking of making points to those not willing to listen to moral arguments. From what I have read, it raises the breast cancer rate, highly. But this is the argument I hear over and over:

“The pill also lowers the risk of other cancers, including ovarian and uterine…”

Seriously? This does not sound right to me. I believe cannot be much compared to how much it raises the breast cancer rate.

But I can’t prove it. Anyone know where I can find some documentation???
 
It also increases a woman’s risk for developing a blood clot which can lead to a heart attack and/or stroke, and also can raise your blood pressure.

The artificial hormones, in a normal woman, can also lead to hormonal imbalances even if they stop taking the pill.

I’ve also heard that in some rare cases it can lead to permanent infertility or an increased risk of miscarriages.

And for those who are against abortion, some birth control pills can cause an abortion by preventing the egg from implanting.
 
Using the pill to prevent pregnancy is contraception. Totally wrong !
 
It is up to the claimers to provide credible evidence for any statements they make and all statements need to be confirmed by a credible source. Here’s one:

cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/oral-contraceptives

Here’s another:

mayoclinic.com/health/best-birth-control-pill/MY00996

Different birth control pills can have different side effects and these side effects are more or less likely based on any health problems women taking them may have. I have chosen one brand, and here are the risks:

"Before taking Ortho Tri-Cyclen

"Ortho Tri-Cyclen can cause birth defects. Do not use if you are pregnant. Tell your doctor right away if you become pregnant, or if you miss two menstrual periods in a row. If you have recently had a baby, wait at least 4 weeks before taking Ortho Tri-Cyclen. You should not take Ortho Tri-Cyclen if you have:
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untreated or uncontrolled high blood pressure;

heart disease (coronary artery disease, uncontrolled heart valve disorder, history of heart attack, stroke, or blood clot);

a blood-clotting disorder or circulation problems;

problems with your eyes, kidneys or circulation caused by diabetes;

a history of hormone-related cancer such as breast or uterine cancer;

unusual vaginal bleeding that has not been checked by a doctor;

liver disease or liver cancer;

severe migraine headaches (with aura, numbness, weakness, or vision changes), especially if you are older than 35;

a history of jaundice caused by pregnancy or birth control pills; or

if you smoke and are over 35 years old.
To make sure you can safely take Ortho Tri-Cyclen, tell your doctor if you have any of these other conditions:
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high blood pressure, varicose veins;

high cholesterol or triglycerides, or if you are overweight;

a history of depression;

underactive thyroid;

gallbladder disease;

diabetes;

seizures or epilepsy;

a history of irregular menstrual cycles;

tuberculosis; or

a history of fibrocystic breast disease, lumps, nodules, or an abnormal mammogram.
The hormones in Ortho Tri-Cyclen (ethinyl estradiol and norgestimate) can pass into breast milk and may harm a nursing baby. This medication may also slow breast milk production. Do not use Ortho Tri-Cyclen if you are breast feeding a baby."

Source: drugs.com/ortho-tri-cyclen.html

Now that you know the pros and cons of the types, it’s up to each woman to examine the warning information included with the brand she is using. There is not enough space to list them all here.

Peace,
Ed
 
They are correct. Oral contraceptives increase the risk of certain types of cancer but also reduce the risk of other types. From the medical textbook Contraceptive Technology:

“When compared with women who have never used [Combined Oral Contraceptives], COC users are 34% less likely to develop epithelial ovarian cancer. Use of monophasic formulations for at least ten years reduces a woman’s risk of developing such cancers by 80%”

“COC use for at least twelve months reduces a woman’s risk of developing endometrial cancer by about 40%. In women who use COCs for at least a decade, the risk of developing endometrial cancer is only one-fifth that of non-pill users (an 80% reduction).”

These statistics are from studies published in the American Journal of Epidemiology and the Journal of the American Medical Association, they’re legit.

Think about why this makes sense. When a woman is on the pill, her body is mimicing what happens naturally during pregnancy and breatsfeeding, when a woman typically goes many months without ovulating. It appears that God intended pregnancy and breatsfeeding to be beneficial for women.

Contraception is gravely wrong and can never be justified. But we need to find different ways of explaining this without relying entirely on the “it’s bad for your health” argument, which, as you’ve realized, is insufficient.
 
Researchers pooled data from 24 studies and found Pill users had a 27 percent lower risk of being diagnosed with ovarian cancer. And longer use seemed to be tied to more protection.
However, the review paper can’t prove that using oral contraception lowers a woman’s risk of disease - because there could have been other, unmeasured differences between women who took the Pill and those who didn’t, researchers noted.
nbcnews.com/id/52124987/ns/health-cancer/t/pill-tied-lower-ovarian-cancer-risk

Birth control pill has been grouped as a class 1 carcinogen by arm of the WHO, International Agency for Research on Cancer. Same group as asbestos and tobacco. I do not understand how ingesting a carcinogen would lower your risk of cancer in one area of the body
 
The same kinds of cancer that the pill “prevents” can also be prevented by having children. This has been known for centuries, because nuns (who obviously never got pregnant or had children) kept getting these kinds of cancer and doctors were trying to figure out why. It turns out that giving your cycles a break by becoming pregnant and breastfeeding are beneficial to women. 👍
 
Its morally wrong, we Catholic know. I am thinking of making points to those not willing to listen to moral arguments. From what I have read, it raises the breast cancer rate, highly. But this is the argument I hear over and over:

“The pill also lowers the risk of other cancers, including ovarian and uterine…”

Seriously? This does not sound right to me. I believe cannot be much compared to how much it raises the breast cancer rate.

But I can’t prove it. Anyone know where I can find some documentation???
This may help: rosecole.com/articles/holistic-health/birthcontrol.html

Here’s one with better documentation : onemoresoul.com/contraception-abortion/risks-consequences/what-a-woman-should-know-about-birth-control.html

But it is all common sense. If we are doing something to our bodies that God didn’t intend, we shouldn’t be surprised if there bad consequences. This means smoking, drinking, taking illegal drugs, running five miles a day, eating too much. But you can bet that using any kind of contraceptive is number one on His " don’t do " list.

Linus2nd
 
The same kinds of cancer that the pill “prevents” can also be prevented by having children. This has been known for centuries, because nuns (who obviously never got pregnant or had children) kept getting these kinds of cancer and doctors were trying to figure out why. It turns out that giving your cycles a break by becoming pregnant and breastfeeding are beneficial to women. 👍
The pill known for centuries prevents having children and causes cancer and you are implying nuns are taking pills which causes them to get cancer? Your evidence?
 
The notion that one should mount an argument against the pill on medical safety grounds is, in my view, seriously flawed.

The pill is an approved medicine - and that fact alone is likely to provide to the potential users (at least) prima facie evidence (of its safety), which is of greater persuasive power than any medical advice you could provide. Your opinion and on-line research may persuade some who are on the border (eg. they may have a general dislike of medicines), but not the mainstream.

The real argument lies elsewhere (in the relevant theology / morality).

So, recognise that those who are in the mainstream (in their attitude to taking prescription drugs) and are non-Catholic, are most unlikely to be persuaded by **any ** argument you can muster.
 
The notion that one should mount an argument against the pill on medical safety grounds is, in my view, seriously flawed.

The pill is an approved medicine - and that fact alone is likely to provide to the potential users (at least) prima facie evidence (of its safety), which is of greater persuasive power than any medical advice you could provide. Your opinion and on-line research may persuade some who are on the border (eg. they may have a general dislike of medicines), but not the mainstream.

The real argument lies elsewhere (in the relevant theology / morality).

So, recognise that those who are in the mainstream (in their attitude to taking prescription drugs) and are non-Catholic, are most unlikely to be persuaded by **any ** argument you can muster.
I kind of tend to agree with this view. I mean, the fact that it is a class 1 carcinogen is worrisome, but all medicines and prsecriptions have unwanted side-effects, and often quite terrifying ones. But doctors weigh the chances of those side-effects occuring with the benefit that comes with the medicine and judge it to be a sufficiently low chance of occuring to justify the risk. So if someone trusts their doctor they are not going to buy the whole “the pill has dangerous side-effects” argument. It just won’t do anything except make them think that Catholics who oppose the pill are crazy’s who ignore and/or twist medical facts to try and brainwash other people into their way of thinking.
 
I kind of tend to agree with this view. I mean, the fact that it is a class 1 carcinogen is worrisome, but all medicines and prsecriptions have unwanted side-effects, and often quite terrifying ones. But doctors weigh the chances of those side-effects occuring with the benefit that comes with the medicine and judge it to be a sufficiently low chance of occuring to justify the risk. So if someone trusts their doctor they are not going to buy the whole “the pill has dangerous side-effects” argument. It just won’t do anything except make them think that Catholics who oppose the pill are crazy’s who ignore and/or twist medical facts to try and brainwash other people into their way of thinking.
Are most medications class 1 carcinogens though?
 
Are most medications class 1 carcinogens though?
Thats why I added in that that detail is slightly worrying, but most people trust their doctors and the scientific testing drugs go through. They would assume that it is in small enough doses that the risk of it being harmful enough when in such small doses is small enough to justify its use. Thats the way bad side-effects of any medication is treated. So unless you can convince them that the whole medical field is conspiring to give women cancer by giving them the pill this argument just isn’t going to be convincing to these people. 🤷
 
Are most medications class 1 carcinogens though?
Interesting question and interesting thread.

The closest example that comes to mind, is that radiation therapy can cause lymphoma in 1% of the cases. Imagine someone suffering from a deadly form of cancer (let’s take head and neck cancer, for an example). Without treatment, there’s a 100% chance that the person will die. With surgery and radiation therapy, there’s perhaps a 20-50-80% chance (depending on the case) of saving the individual’s life. So, the doctor will take a calculated risk, and apply a radiation therapy that may cause lymphoma in 1% of the cases, however it will not cause lymphoma and also save the patient from certain death in a larger percentage of the cases.

But with the Pill, either as a contraceptive, or for treating legitimate medical conditions (endometriosis, polycystic ovary syndrome, etc), it’s much harder to justify. Combined hormonal contraceptives cause a 4.2-fold increase in the occurrence of TNBC (triple negative breast cancer), which is a particularly aggressive and deadly form of breast cancer that cannot be treated with the usual drugs (drugs targeting the estrogen, progestin, HER2 receptors).

So, it’s a good question: do we want to take the risk of treating the patient with the Pill, since we are risking to cause an aggressive and deadly form of breast cancer?

Especially when it comes to the treatment of less serious problems like acne and hirsutism (excess facial and body hair), that sounds foolish to me. Why take the risk of causing breast cancer, cervical cancer, hepatic cancer, colorectal cancer, not to mention deep vein thrombosis, blood clots, and often deadly pulmonary embolisms, strokes, and heart attacks caused by those blood clots?

Teenagers and twenty-somethings are falling dead left and right, because they use the drugs Yaz, Yasmin, Diane-35, all containing the active ingredient drospirenone. Well, no more with Diane-35, because France recently banned Diane-35, in the wake of dozens of young women being killed by pulmonary embolisms and other blood clot related events, often as quickly as within a few weeks of starting Diane-35 therapy. Also, the bodies keep piling up in the USA and Canada - young women killed by birth control pills (including Yaz, Yasmin), as well as transdermal patches and subcutaneous implants of contraceptives. I wouldn’t be surprised to eventually see the USA and Canada following the example of France, and banning all contraceptive and anti-acne drugs containing drospirenone.

Relevant to the topic, recently in 2009, the American Endocrine Society reversed its standing policy of 30 years on ERT, now they no longer recommend the use of ERT (estrogen replacement therapy) in post-menopausal women, even though they previously recommended it for 30 years. However, the mounting evidence regarding the carcinogenic effect of ERT forced them to change their policy. Now they caution post-menopausal women NOT to use ERT, because the estrogen can cause cancer. And it is now widely acknowledged that the recent decrease in breast cancer rates was caused mainly by women no longer using post-menopausal ERT.

And, of course… the birth control Pill also contains estrogen, and also causes breast cancer, just like the estrogen replacement therapy in post-menopausal women. But I believe it would be hard for the American Endocrine Society to come out and make the obvious connection, and caution women against using contraceptive drugs on the same basis (on the basis of the carcinogenic effect of estrogen), because a lot of politicians and activist groups (political and feminist activists) would get very angry with the medical professionals making such recommendation. This issue is like a hornet’s nest, and people usually don’t like sticking their hands into hornets’ nests.
 
Are most medications class 1 carcinogens though?
I keep seeing that claim and I’m not buying it. I’ve looked extensively for any WHO source that says that. The only places I find that claim are religious sites against birth control. Unless you have a reliable citation…?

I’m also inclined to disbelieve it because “the pill” is not one standard thing. It can refer to hundreds of drugs with many different active ingredients. The idea that the WHO rolled them all in to one and classified them as a class one carcinogen is suspect.
 
Its morally wrong, we Catholic know. I am thinking of making points to those not willing to listen to moral arguments. From what I have read, it raises the breast cancer rate, highly. But this is the argument I hear over and over:

“The pill also lowers the risk of other cancers, including ovarian and uterine…”

Seriously? This does not sound right to me. I believe cannot be much compared to how much it raises the breast cancer rate.

But I can’t prove it. Anyone know where I can find some documentation???
Telling someone that they shouldn’t be on the pill for health reasons will not go well for you. You don’t know their health history, you don’t know the discussions they’ve had with their doctors, you don’t know anything about what went into their decision.

If someone with no medical training tried to convince me that they knew better than my doctor because of what they read on the internet, I would be less than kind.
 
But with the Pill, either as a contraceptive, or for treating legitimate medical conditions (endometriosis, polycystic ovary syndrome, etc), it’s much harder to justify.
Sorry, I realized that sounds like I was trying to justify contraception. From an ethical standpoint, using the Pill for contraception is a grave evil and never justified, regardless of the presence of any positive or negative side-effects (positive side-effect would be the protection against the risk of ovarian cancer, negative would be the increase in breast cancer rates, deadly pulmonary embolisms, etc).

However, apart from the use as contraceptives, which is always evil, the same drugs are also used for morally legitimate purposes, such as gynecologic conditions (endometriosis, PCOS, controlling heavy menstrual bleeding).

The problem is, a dangerous class of drugs got a speedy pass and accelerated FDA approval originally for contraception, because contraception was the darling issue of politicians and political/feminist activists, and now the same dangerous class of drugs is used for treating gynecological conditions and even such banal problems as acne and hirsutism. The whole outcome of the FDA approval process might have been very different, if the same drugs were submitted for approval for non-contraceptive purposes only. How does one justify using a class 1 carcinogen for the treatment of acne?
 
Here’s the Statement from WHO, from September 2005, classifying both COCs [combined estrogen-progestogen oral contraceptives] and combined hormonal menopausal treatment as Group 1 carcinogens - quote from who.int/reproductivehealth/topics/ageing/cocs_hrt_statement.pdf :

UNDP/UNFPA/WHO/World Bank
Special Programme of Research, Development
and Research Training in Human Reproduction (HRP)

Carcinogenicity of combined hormonal
contraceptives and combined
menopausal treatment


This was an update of a similar review undertaken by IARC on these formulations and published as an IARC Monograph in 1999 (2). At that time, COCs [combined estrogen-progestogen oral contraceptives] were classified as “carcinogenic to humans” (Group 1) and combined hormonal menopausal therapy as “possibly carcinogenic to humans” (Group 2B). On the basis of the evidence accumulated since then, this new review confirmed the classification of COCs and changed the classification of combined hormonal menopausal therapy to “carcinogenic to humans” (Group 1).
 
WHO Statement September 2005 - quote from who.int/reproductivehealth/topics/ageing/cocs_hrt_statement.pdf :

UNDP/UNFPA/WHO/World Bank
Special Programme of Research, Development
and Research Training in Human Reproduction (HRP)

Carcinogenicity of combined hormonal
contraceptives and combined
menopausal treatment


This was an update of a similar review undertaken by IARC on these formulations and published as an IARC Monograph in 1999 (2). At that time, COCs [combined estrogen-progestogen oral contraceptives] were classified as “carcinogenic to humans” (Group 1) and combined hormonal menopausal therapy as “possibly carcinogenic to humans” (Group 2B). On the basis of the evidence accumulated since then, this new review confirmed the classification of COCs and changed the classification of combined hormonal menopausal therapy to “carcinogenic to humans” (Group 1).
Thanks!

But, the pamphlet still concluded that in healthy women the benefits of combined oral contraceptives outweigh the drawbacks. It also said that much of the research was based on old, high dose pills and that the research needs to be updated.
 
Thanks!

But, the pamphlet still concluded that in healthy women the benefits of combined oral contraceptives outweigh the drawbacks. It also said that much of the research was based on old, high dose pills and that the research needs to be updated.
Yes, “the benefits outweigh the drawbacks”, but what exactly do they mean by that? That the benefits of avoiding babies outweigh the risk of cancer. That’s my interpretation. Many women will actually agree, they will knowingly risk cancer, just to avoid babies.

My main interest is not in women who are dead-set on avoiding babies, even at the risk of cancer. As a Catholic, I would recommend avoiding contraceptives, even if they were as healthy and beneficial as Vitamin C.

I am still interested though in the issue of using the same drugs for morally legitimate purposes such as endometriosis and PCOS. There, we do have to deal with a complex situation. These drugs increase the risks of breast, cervical, hepatic and colorectal cancers, while simultaneously decreasing the risks of ovarian and endometrial cancers. They also cause blood clots, killing women through pulmonary embolisms, heart attacks, strokes caused by the blood clots.

Edit: I forgot to mention the increased risk of ectopic pregnancies, in women who use hormonal contraceptives.
 
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