Using the word Jehovah?

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I have listen to several programs on CA radio and Jason Everet talked about how the word Jehovah is a bad translation of God.

I have seen non-watchtower groups use this word for God and I was wondering if that is ok , since it is not an accurate translation.

I think they even use it in the Tyndale Bible.

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The names of many places and people are “mistranslations” both in modern languages as well as in ancient ones. For example, what we call Spain is called by its people España, but we all mean the same thing by either name–the country on the mediterrian below France. Yes?
 
“Yahweh” is probably a better transliteration…but in English things like Jaweh, Jehova, Jave, etc…are all fine, we know you mean the God of Sinai.

Just dont get to close to “Jove”.
 
What language is Yahweh? Is it Hebrew?
What was the Hebrew name of Jesus? Was it Yeshua?

Jesus is an English or westernized word. If you are accepting Jesus(Yeshua) as the Son of God why do you not accept Jehovah(Yahweh) as the God the Father?
 
What language is Yahweh? Is it Hebrew?
What was the Hebrew name of Jesus? Was it Yeshua?

Jesus is an English or westernized word. If you are accepting Jesus(Yeshua) as the Son of God why do you not accept Jehovah(Yahweh) as the God the Father?
Mostly because, (as my Hasidic Jewish friend pointed to me), there is no J in Hebrew. So far as the Old Testament is concerned, Yahweh is the better choice and the Jerusalem Bible is a good example of this.

The sacred name is always speculation, since the Jews will not write it to this day. In Hebrew it is simply the consonants YHWH since Hebrew actaully has no vowells and it was only later that they introduced the system of vowell marks that we see in modern Hebrew, but in the case of the sacred name, they a supposition since we don’t know what the original was for sure.

Side note: There is also no textual justification for the use of the name Jehovah in the New Testament. In fact, the sacred name is not used in the New Testament at all, which makes the New World Translation badly messed up since it’s used in there all over the place.
 
Exactly, there is no textual justification for the use of the name Jehovah in the New Testament. Then, how were the scholars especially the Greeks called the name of God? And why are we using the name Jesus and not Yeshua, where in fact there is no J in the Hebrew alphabet?
 
Exactly, there is no textual justification for the use of the name Jehovah in the New Testament. Then, how were the scholars especially the Greeks called the name of God? And why are we using the name Jesus and not Yeshua, where in fact there is no J in the Hebrew alphabet?
why is there then the name Job? Josiah? exct?
 
why is there then the name Job? Josiah? exct?
I believe ‘j’ is just the common way to transliterate the Hebrew ‘y’.

It’s like in Greek – there’s no ‘y’ in Greek, but the Greek ‘u’ (upsilon) is commonly transliterated ‘y’: so we get “mysteria” (mystery) instead of “musteria”, etc.

Jeremy
 
Yes, of course, because the Hebrew bible was translated directly into English…or have we heard of Latin?:rolleyes:

What I mean is, there is no “J” in Latin, either. It came into being in the Middle Ages to distinguish consonantal I (pronounced as Y) from vowel I (pronounced as I). That’s why the inscription above the Cross read INRI: Iesus Nazarensis Rex Iudaeorum, roughly “Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews.” Roughly, because Latin ‘Rex’ no more translates directly as “King” than “Wohng” (Cantonese) or “Piltzin” (Nahuatl) do. Its actual use was closer to “Chieftain”.

Jesus is a Latinization, not an ‘Anglicization’; the Angles were a third-rate Auxiliary unit when the Vulgate was written. Ditto Job, Josiah (Josias in Latin), etc. The -s endings are necessary so the words can be inflected; names ending in -a inflect as feminine in Latin.

Finally, Jesus’ name would not have been Hebrew–there would have been a Hebrew form of it, certainly, but He would probably have been known by an Aramaic form. At that time, Hebrew was already a dead language, used only religiously; for daily use, Jews used Aramaic, the common language of the Assyrian Empire, and therefore also of the Persians from whom Alexander took the Levant.

Aramaic, incidentally, is the origin of ‘Jehovah.’ The Jews had started using an early vowel notation by the time of Jerome, but they always read the name YHWH as “Adonai”, the Aramaic word for Lord. To remind the reader to do this, they wrote the vowels “A-O-A” by the YHWH. Jerome, who could read Hebrew but apparently didn’t know about this convention, assumed that those were really its vowels, and thus, “Jehovah.”
 
I am an ex-Jehovah’s Witness now a Catholic.
I know that Yahweh is the best rendition,
but when I pray, I often refer to God as Jehovah to this day.
Of course, as a Catholic, I do not refer ONLY to the Father as Jehovah, but to the entire Trinity.

Jaypeeto4 (aka Jaypeeto3)
 
Exactly, there is no textual justification for the use of the name Jehovah in the New Testament. Then, how were the scholars especially the Greeks called the name of God? And why are we using the name Jesus and not Yeshua, where in fact there is no J in the Hebrew alphabet?
Nice dodge. It’s your translation, not mine. I wouldn’t use it for a paperweight.
Pax tecum,
 
Hi Jaypeeto:

I am also a former JW who is now Catholic. I use Jehovah or Yahweh depending on the circumstances. When speaking to JWs or former JWs, I use Jehovah. When speaking with Catholics and other Christians, I use Yahweh. I also make it clear that Yahweh/Jehovah refers not only to the Father but to the Son, and Holy Spirit as well. In fact, I just recently used the New World Translation when talking with a man who has been studying with the JWs to show how even their NWT Bible refers to Jesus and the Holy Spirit as Jehovah.

For those of you who are interested in more info on this topic, Dave Brown who is another former JW that is now Catholic has written a really good article on this at the following link:

catholicxjw.com/JesusYahweh.html

And I have done a couple of podcasts that might be helpful.
You can download those at the links below:

catholicxjw.blogspot.com/2006/05/jesus-is-god.html
catholicxjw.blogspot.com/2006/08/holy-spirit-is-god.html

God’s blessings to you all,

Jeff Schwehm
www.catholicxjw.com
 
Jeff,
think hard !
You and I are old friends (Don’t say my real name on this forum please). Remember? We used to talk on the old H2O forums several years ago. I used to try to discuss the Trinity with those exJWs and atheists who seemed to flood that website.
Good to hear from you again.
God bless,
Jaypeeto4 (aka Jaypeeto3)
former commentator on the H2O forums
 
I believe ‘j’ is just the common way to transliterate the Hebrew ‘y’.
It’s like in Greek – there’s no ‘y’ in Greek, but the Greek ‘u’ (upsilon) is commonly transliterated ‘y’: so we get “mysteria” (mystery) instead of “musteria”, etc.
So he was Yob rather than Job, Jeremy (or should that be Yeremy?) 🙂
 
So he was Yob rather than Job, Jeremy (or should that be Yeremy?) 🙂
That would be Yeremiyahu 🙂 Same as Jeremiah

Jesus in Hebrew would be Yeshua ben Yosef.
We get “Jesus” through the Greek, Iesous, and then the Latin, Iesus. The J came in as a replacement for the I in such cases (The Latin alphabet has no J).
 
Yes, of course, because the Hebrew bible was translated directly into English…or have we heard of Latin?:rolleyes:

What I mean is, there is no “J” in Latin, either. It came into being in the Middle Ages to distinguish consonantal I (pronounced as Y) from vowel I (pronounced as I). That’s why the inscription above the Cross read INRI: Iesus Nazarensis Rex Iudaeorum, roughly “Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews.” Roughly, because Latin ‘Rex’ no more translates directly as “King” than “Wohng” (Cantonese) or “Piltzin” (Nahuatl) do. Its actual use was closer to “Chieftain”.

Jesus is a Latinization, not an ‘Anglicization’; the Angles were a third-rate Auxiliary unit when the Vulgate was written. Ditto Job, Josiah (Josias in Latin), etc. The -s endings are necessary so the words can be inflected; names ending in -a inflect as feminine in Latin.

Finally, Jesus’ name would not have been Hebrew–there would have been a Hebrew form of it, certainly, but He would probably have been known by an Aramaic form. At that time, Hebrew was already a dead language, used only religiously; for daily use, Jews used Aramaic, the common language of the Assyrian Empire, and therefore also of the Persians from whom Alexander took the Levant.

Aramaic, incidentally, is the origin of ‘Jehovah.’ The Jews had started using an early vowel notation by the time of Jerome, but they always read the name YHWH as “Adonai”, the Aramaic word for Lord. To remind the reader to do this, they wrote the vowels “A-O-A” by the YHWH. Jerome, who could read Hebrew but apparently didn’t know about this convention, assumed that those were really its vowels, and thus, “Jehovah.”
I’ve always been curious about something…if Hebrew was already a “dead language” at the time of Christ, why was the inscription on top the cross not written in Aramaic, but Hewbrew?

Also, one can read in many of the Psalms (and other O.T. books) about calling on the name of “The LORD” and the authors saying how great His name is, etc. How can one call on His Name if it isn’t translated, but rather replaced with “The LORD” and/or “GOD?” I’m not trying to plead the case of sacred namers, but it’s something that has often bothered me.
 
Although the NAB translation reads Hebrew, Latin, and Greek. (Jn 19:20) it could very well mean the language of the Hebrews. That is how the early gospel of Matthew was refered to. An no one knows if it was in Hebrew or Aramaic. Was it refering to the written or spoken language. The liturgical or the common language.

Hard to say.
 
I have listen to several programs on CA radio and Jason Everet talked about how the word Jehovah is a bad translation of God. Comments welcome
Jason Evert is correct. i have his book called “answering jehovah’s witnesses” and it is an excellent read. myself, iam an ex witness. God’s name as best we can translate it, is Yahweh. where the witnesses came up with that name is beyond me, and i don’t care to think of why they use it.

it is a bad translation, and they always told me when i was in the false belief that they said that that name was in their bible called the new world translation 7,000 times, and they claim that “christendom” took it out and had no right to do so, that is a lie, they are ones to talk about deleting things from the Bible and
adding things to it, which by the way, the book of Revelation clearly states at the end of it what happens to those who add or take away from the scriptures.

I call our heavenly Father Yahweh, God the Father Almighty,
Heavenly Father, Eternal Father, and so on. but i do not call Him
jehovah because that is not His name.

sounds like iam a bit waspish about this topic? i just want people to see the real truth about this organization, that they are full of lies and brainwash their poor members into thinking that their belief is the only one out there that has 'the truth" when in fact, they do not, and that includes their use of a name that is not
belonging to God.

if this got off track, i apologize, but there could be a baptized Catholic who is a jw currently and thinking of leaving the falsetower and they might like to know some facts. look, here i was an ex jw, baptized Catholic and came back to the REAL faith and was looking for a site such as CAF, and here iam!

sorry for my rambles! :o
 
In Hebrew it is simply the consonants YHWH since Hebrew actaully has no vowells and it was only later that they introduced the system of vowell marks that we see in modern Hebrew, but in the case of the sacred name, they a supposition since we don’t know what the original was for sure.
Hmmmm…I thought YHWH was used because God said to Moses “I AM HE WHO IS” (revealing His Name) and the first letters of all of these words in Hebrew are YHWH. The reason they used only the first letters was because Gods Name was unspeakable, and so, unwritable in the Torah, so they replaced His Name with “Elohim” or “Adonai” or “YHWH”. The pronunciation of the four letters became “Yaweh”.
Am I wrong?
 
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