Ustashi, WW II

[blybly]

I was always interested in history, nations and that sort of thing. Of course I was always worried theme of the second world war, as a Catholic living in Europe I do not have a different opinion, all the participants of this war have been completely wrong on the basis of their methods of struggle. the nation’s struggle for independence (Hungary, Romania, Croatia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine) - fine, but many of them were doing things are no better than the Communists and the Nazis and an example for that - Ustashi. After a recent conversation with a priest, I realized that the roots of Nazism and communism, in principle, come from the anti-Christian sense of Freemasonry, anyway roots exist and they will not give me the right to start with sympathy for Nazism (an interesting thing is that the methods of violence are forgotten when you try to sympathize with the Nazis) .

And it is thought sinful sympathy because many Catholic ideas developed under the force of the Third Reich, and this despite the fact that the Nazis destroyed the church from the inside (when the communists did it just destroys the churches physically). The Vatican, too, would like to use this time to return peoples to Catholicism, to return the destroyed treaty with Protestantish Germany.

Speaking about the situation in Ukraine and Poland - here a less clear, the Poles fought two enemies who attacked them at the same time, Ukrainians have used the Nazis to a weapon against communism, but the Nazis cheated Ukrainians, and I’m not ashamed to call people who have tried the plan of development Heroes of Ukraine, for example. Very difficult to combine this interest (history and so on) with the truth of faith, because inadvertently comes to mind colorful memories of Catholics from Croatia (Ustashi) or IRA (Ireland) and you realize that you accept because they are Catholics from sinful ways of achieving Catholicism in some countries. Abandon the “hobby”? maybe God wants me to control it. Opinion of the church about it all (as I currently understand) clear to me, and it suits everyone. The Vatican was saving war criminals because if only not so, they would have shot one of the main villains of the Second World War - the communists. And it is - a Christian. But sometimes the thoughts make me support this cruelty. Not exactly cruel but a beautiful picture of the struggle for Catholicism. Drop everything and openly support any methods to fight for the Holy Catholic Church? In any case, the Church does not teach me “any means” to do so, except violence and other serious sins. I was Nazi-supporter as a stupid little kid, then, before i convert to Catholicism, i realised that i “hate” (really) both of Communism and Nazi (but Nazi was top of my things that i cant agree anymore). Now im trying to fix this, without putting my hobby so high to the level of my one and only faith.

Has anyone experienced this?

 

[josephback]

I was always interested in history, nations and that sort of thing. Of course I was always worried theme of the second world war, as a Catholic living in Europe I do not have a different opinion, all the participants of this war have been completely wrong on the basis of their methods of struggle. the nation’s struggle for independence (Hungary, Romania, Croatia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine) - fine, but many of them were doing things are no better than the Communists and the Nazis and an example for that - Ustashi. After a recent conversation with a priest, I realized that the roots of Nazism and communism, in principle, come from the anti-Christian sense of Freemasonry, anyway roots exist and they will not give me the right to start with sympathy for Nazism (an interesting thing is that the methods of violence are forgotten when you try to sympathize with the Nazis) .

And it is thought sinful sympathy because many Catholic ideas developed under the force of the Third Reich, and this despite the fact that the Nazis destroyed the church from the inside (when the communists did it just destroys the churches physically). The Vatican, too, would like to use this time to return peoples to Catholicism, to return the destroyed treaty with Protestantish Germany.

Speaking about the situation in Ukraine and Poland - here a less clear, the Poles fought two enemies who attacked them at the same time, Ukrainians have used the Nazis to a weapon against communism, but the Nazis cheated Ukrainians, and I’m not ashamed to call people who have tried the plan of development Heroes of Ukraine, for example. Very difficult to combine this interest (history and so on) with the truth of faith, because inadvertently comes to mind colorful memories of Catholics from Croatia (Ustashi) or IRA (Ireland) and you realize that you accept because they are Catholics from sinful ways of achieving Catholicism in some countries. Abandon the “hobby”? maybe God wants me to control it. Opinion of the church about it all (as I currently understand) clear to me, and it suits everyone. The Vatican was saving war criminals because if only not so, they would have shot one of the main villains of the Second World War - the communists. And it is - a Christian. But sometimes the thoughts make me support this cruelty. Not exactly cruel but a beautiful picture of the struggle for Catholicism. Drop everything and openly support any methods to fight for the Holy Catholic Church? In any case, the Church does not teach me “any means” to do so, except violence and other serious sins. I was Nazi-supporter as a stupid little kid, then, before i convert to Catholicism, i realised that i “hate” (really) both of Communism and Nazi (but Nazi was top of my things that i cant agree anymore). Now im trying to fix this, without putting my hobby so high to the level of my one and only faith.

Has anyone experienced this?

Perhps I shouldn’t admit this, but I once felt a pull toward Nazism and the Reich. The lure lies in the difference between the image and the reality. The image is one of building a glorious German Reich and defending historic western civilization, but the reality of the methods used to do so was ghastly and abhorrent. In addition, the Nazis were no friends of the Christianity or the Church. Read “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” by William Shirer.

 

[josephback]

If it helps you fight the lure of Nazism, Hitler was a fanatical German nationalist who would have enslaved and crushed all the Slavic peoples under his jackboot- which makes the existence of neo-nazi gangs in Eastern Europe highly ironic.

 

[blybly]

If it helps you fight the lure of Nazism, Hitler was a fanatical German nationalist who would have enslaved and crushed all the Slavic peoples under his jackboot- which makes the existence of neo-nazi gangs in Eastern Europe highly ironic.

I knew that, but you know, it’s hard to be even Catholic here in Ukraine, we’re associated with nazis and facism here in East Ukraine, and people here BELIEVE to this annoying stuff

 

[Avdima]

If it helps you fight the lure of Nazism, Hitler was a fanatical German nationalist who would have enslaved and crushed all the Slavic peoples under his jackboot- which makes the existence of neo-nazi gangs in Eastern Europe highly ironic.

Its sad to see the mental gymnastics they( Neo-Nazi Slavs) go though to deny the slaughter of their kinsmen and country, to justify honoring and participating in such a vile mindset.

 

[josephback]

I knew that, but you know, it’s hard to be even Catholic here in Ukraine, we’re associated with nazis and facism here in East Ukraine, and people here BELIEVE to this annoying stuff

I didn’t know that.

 

[blybly]

I didn’t know that.

so to speak - we are here in Ukraine, half - a victim of communist propaganda, living still, in my state (South-East Ukraine) of more than 35% of the population voted for the Communist Party, this is so easy to get confused.

maybe the rest of the world has long lived in the rejection of all communist and pro-Nazi, but for us it’s news flash