Vaccines from aborted babies!

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silicasandra said:
Which is my situation.

My son is four months old and according to the chart in the OP, he wouldn’t be getting a questionable vaccine until possibly six months (for polio.) He has a ped appointment (regular 4-month check up) this Monday and I am wondering exactly how to bring this up. Would/should these alternatives be easily available (I remember that I wasn’t able to get a mercury-free flu shot while I was pregnant, for example.)? Would using an alternative affect cost? If I bring this up with DS’s ped, would this be something he is likely to have heard of before? (This practice refuses to see children whose parents will not vaccinate their children.)

Then the other dilemma becomes vaccinations for diseases that don’t have an alternative vaccine - it looks like that’s the case for rubella, chickenpox, Hep A, and shingles in the US. I don’t have a problem with not vaccinating for chickenpox as it’s not required (I didn’t get it, I remember my mom taking us to play with some kids who had it so we would all get it while young :p), but I am definitely not comfortable just saying “no” to rubella or Hep A vaccines (it looks like the vaccine for shingles is only given in adulthood; I’ve never had it - is this a common one?)

I really like DS’s pediatrician so I don’t want to come across as a “crazy lady” or some kind of conspiracy theorist. I’d also like to make sure I have my facts straight and that I can present my concerns clearly. Any suggestions for how to talk about this effectively with the pediatrician or other resources I can check out or bring with me to the doctor’s office?
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If it was me, I’d read as much as I can on the subject, research the internet. Ask my ped the very same questions you asked in your post and then make the best informed decision that you can with the answers your ped gives you. Each of us has to make the best decision we can for our children based on the vaccines that are available and any immediate health concerns that are present in our own unique situations. Some of us will be able to “opt out” of the scheduled vaccines, some of us will not. Those of us that can not avoid giving vaccines to our children because of our individual circumstances should feel some comfort in that the Vatican addressed the issue and realizes that sometimes giving the vaccines is the only option. Then you put pressure on the pharmacetical companies and the government to offer alternative vaccines.

That’s my suggestion.
 
I think the main thing is to push to get the morally acceptable vaccines into place. If there is a dire need of vaccination, the Vatican said it is unacceptable to just leave children and a whole community in danger. So I guess we should try our best to get good vaccines, but if there is a need and there is no alternative, use it and then write an encouragement to vaccines companies. Correct me if I’m wrong.
 
Spiritual dangers must be opposed before physical dangers. A disease can cripple or even kill people, but it can not send them to hell.
 
Dan_Daly said:
Spiritual dangers must be opposed before physical dangers. A disease can cripple or even kill people, but it can not send them to hell.
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It certainly could if you purposely endangered your fellow human beings with a fatal illness or disease that could have been prevented by a vaccine.
 
PatriceA said:
It certainly could if you purposely endangered your fellow human beings with a fatal illness or disease that could have been prevented by a vaccine.
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prevented by a morally obtained vaccine.

Otherwise it’s no different than saying starvation can kill people. Purposely endangering others with starvation is sinful, so I have moral imperative to kill people and feed their flesh to my children in order to stave off starvation.

Pax.
 
PatriceA said:
It certainly could if you purposely endangered your fellow human beings with a fatal illness or disease that could have been prevented by a vaccine.
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There is no Need for Cadaver or Fetus Sourced or Human sourced components in vaccines; Fetal Chord works Just as well: It’s thrown away. Fetal Cell sourced is 100% Moral, and Catholic.
 
Dan_Daly said:
prevented by a morally obtained vaccine.

Otherwise it’s no different than saying starvation can kill people. Purposely endangering others with starvation is sinful, so I have moral imperative to kill people and feed their flesh to my children in order to stave off starvation.

Pax.
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So your opinion is that people that vaccinate their children are the same as people that are cannnibals? That they are the same as people in the Donner Party?
 
Dan_Daly said:
prevented by a morally obtained vaccine.

Otherwise it’s no different than saying starvation can kill people. Purposely endangering others with starvation is sinful, so I have moral imperative to kill people and feed their flesh to my children in order to stave off starvation.

Pax.
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This extreme comparison is the exact reason why the Vatican released the statement that they did on vaccines. Even the Church leaders realize that sometimes there is no other option than to vaccinate our children with these vaccines. In the meantime as parents, we can put pressure on pharmacetical companies to offer morrally obtained vaccines. Anybody that chooses to vaccinate with what is available is no less of a responsible Catholic than someone that chooses not to vaccinate.

I certainly hope if a parent doesn’t choose to vaccinate though, they do take all preventive measures to prevent their child from infecting others if they come down with a life threatening disease.
 
PatriceA said:
This extreme comparison is the exact reason why the Vatican released the statement that they did on vaccines. Even the Church leaders realize that sometimes there is no other option than to vaccinate our children with these vaccines. In the meantime as parents, we can put pressure on pharmacetical companies to offer morrally obtained vaccines. Anybody that chooses to vaccinate with what is available is no less of a responsible Catholic than someone that chooses not to vaccinate.

I certainly hope if a parent doesn’t choose to vaccinate though, they do take all preventive measures to prevent their child from infecting others if they come down with a life threatening disease.
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Amen!
 
AntalKalnoky said:
There is no Need for Cadaver or Fetus Sourced or Human sourced components in vaccines; Fetal Chord works Just as well: It’s thrown away. Fetal Cell sourced is 100% Moral, and Catholic.
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Can you really use an umbilical cord to make vaccines? I never heard of that, sound cool!
 
maryjk said:
So your opinion is that people that vaccinate their children are the same as people that are cannnibals? That they are the same as people in the Donner Party?
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It’s not cannibalism; it’s using parts that originated in dead humans: CRAZY.
 
AveMaria12 said:
Can you really use an umbilical cord to make vaccines? I never heard of that, sound cool!
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Stem cells biologically Derived from umbilical chords, not directly from. It’s the Best Stem Cell use, Morally proper, because no death or killing involved in the source.
 
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