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Defensor_Fidei
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Here we go again. The Vagina Monologues are going to be presented at our Catholic Colleges and Universities all across the USA. Look at the response to my protest I received from Saint Xavier University
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rayne89
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Disgusting! :banghead:
Incase anyone is unfamiliar here is a desciption of the “play”.
The Vagina Monologues
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The Vagina Monologues is an episodic play, written by Eve Ensler. It premiered on Off-Broadway in 1996 and won an Obie Award. She originally starred in it, playing all the various women who share their views about their vaginas with the audience; when she left the play it was recast with three celebrity monologists. The production has been staged internationally.
The Vagina Monologues has been criticized by a number of people in the pro sex feminist, gender egalitarian, and individualist feminist movements. Pro-sex feminist Betty Dodson saw the play as having a negative and restrictive view of sexuality and an anti-male bias [1] (bettydodson.com/vaginano.htm). Individualist feminist Wendy McElroy shared many of Betty’s views [2] (zetetics.com/mac/ifeminists/2002/0212.html) [3] (ifeminists.net/introduction/editorials/2000/0803.html). A number of people specifically criticized a chapter in the original version of the book and play called “The Little Coochi Snorcher That Could,” and made allegations of double standards and hypocrisy. This chapter recounted the seduction of a drunken thirteen year old girl by a 24 year old woman. At the end of the chapter, this girl says that some would call what had happened a rape, but that if it was then it was a “good rape.” Many questioned how feminists and others would react were the 24 year old a man [4] (lewrockwell.com/orig/mcelroy2.html). In subsequent editions of the book and script, the young girl’s age was changed to 16 and the phrase “good rape” was omitted, but the scene otherwise remained the same. Some also criticized a section of the play called “Hair,” which was seen as having the message that a woman could not be liberated if she chose to shave her pubic hair [5] (bettydodson.com/vdaymonobrad.htm).
The play has also been criticized by social conservatives, due to its explicit nature, and has been a target of their protests. For example, the American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property denounced it as “a piece replete with sexual encounters, lust, graphic descriptions of masturbation and lesbian behavior.” [6] (tfp.org/student_action/activities/protests/monologues_protest_2004.htm) The organization credited protests against the play with having resulted in the cancellations of planned performances at sixteen Catholic colleges. Several performances of the play had also been banned by municipal authorities within the People’s Republic of China.
Supporters of the Vaginia Monologues argue that despite these controversies, the play has done a lot of good as the cornerstone of the V-Day movement, whose participants stage performances of the show worldwide each Valentine’s Day. The proceeds from these performances go to programs that assist victims of domestic violence.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vagina_Monologues
Incase anyone is unfamiliar here is a desciption of the “play”.
The Vagina Monologues
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The Vagina Monologues is an episodic play, written by Eve Ensler. It premiered on Off-Broadway in 1996 and won an Obie Award. She originally starred in it, playing all the various women who share their views about their vaginas with the audience; when she left the play it was recast with three celebrity monologists. The production has been staged internationally.
The Vagina Monologues has been criticized by a number of people in the pro sex feminist, gender egalitarian, and individualist feminist movements. Pro-sex feminist Betty Dodson saw the play as having a negative and restrictive view of sexuality and an anti-male bias [1] (bettydodson.com/vaginano.htm). Individualist feminist Wendy McElroy shared many of Betty’s views [2] (zetetics.com/mac/ifeminists/2002/0212.html) [3] (ifeminists.net/introduction/editorials/2000/0803.html). A number of people specifically criticized a chapter in the original version of the book and play called “The Little Coochi Snorcher That Could,” and made allegations of double standards and hypocrisy. This chapter recounted the seduction of a drunken thirteen year old girl by a 24 year old woman. At the end of the chapter, this girl says that some would call what had happened a rape, but that if it was then it was a “good rape.” Many questioned how feminists and others would react were the 24 year old a man [4] (lewrockwell.com/orig/mcelroy2.html). In subsequent editions of the book and script, the young girl’s age was changed to 16 and the phrase “good rape” was omitted, but the scene otherwise remained the same. Some also criticized a section of the play called “Hair,” which was seen as having the message that a woman could not be liberated if she chose to shave her pubic hair [5] (bettydodson.com/vdaymonobrad.htm).
The play has also been criticized by social conservatives, due to its explicit nature, and has been a target of their protests. For example, the American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property denounced it as “a piece replete with sexual encounters, lust, graphic descriptions of masturbation and lesbian behavior.” [6] (tfp.org/student_action/activities/protests/monologues_protest_2004.htm) The organization credited protests against the play with having resulted in the cancellations of planned performances at sixteen Catholic colleges. Several performances of the play had also been banned by municipal authorities within the People’s Republic of China.
Supporters of the Vaginia Monologues argue that despite these controversies, the play has done a lot of good as the cornerstone of the V-Day movement, whose participants stage performances of the show worldwide each Valentine’s Day. The proceeds from these performances go to programs that assist victims of domestic violence.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vagina_Monologues
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sweetchuck
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Defensor Fidei:
It’s unfortunate that Catholic colleges and universities in America are choosing to walk in the ways of the likes of Georgetown and Notre Dame, whose leaders are regularly choosing to divert from longstanding church doctrine. There are a new breed of rising Catholic colleges and universities in America that are choosing fidelity, and it will surely be reflected by their success.
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UKcatholicGuy
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what in the world is happening to our Catholic universities!!! by the way, i was visiting planned parenthood’s website (i do so to keep myself updated on their latest schemes for my student pro-life group) and they have abig thing on the front page celebrating V-Day. so yeah, Catholic universities and planned parenthood together at last . . . wonderful! where is THAT found in church teaching? why wont our church do ANYTHING??? where have the strong voices gone?? why is the laity doing all the policing and enforcing now? so sad . . .
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Catholic29
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I hear you UK, I wonder every day where all of our bishops are hiding? But at least one bishop now seems to be taking a stand at Notre Dame with the Vagina Monologues and the Queer Film Festival. Though I feel it may be too little too late, secular influences and the Culture of Death are just so strong there now. And delisting it from the diocesan directory would appear inevitable someday. Sad because it is a University with such deep Catholic roots.
You can read below what Bishop John D’Arcy is doing, or at least trying to. God Bless him for his effort at least.
diocesefwsb.org/COMMUNICATIONS/queerfilm.htm
diocesefwsb.org/COMMUNICATIONS/statements.htm
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K777angel
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How very sad and disturbing that so-called “Catholic” universities would sponsor such garbage. But many, if not most, of our “catholic” universities ceased to really be Catholic years ago.
But take heart - there are a handful of truly orthodox and fantastic Catholic colleges around! We discovered on such NEW Catholic college about 4 yrs ago!
It is called “Redeemer Pacific College” and is located in Langley, British Columbia just outside of Vancouver.
It was founded in partnership with Fransiscan University of Steubenville and Scott Hahn is on the board of directors.
RPC, as it is fondly referred to, is in fact on the campus of a wonderful christian college - “Trinity Western University”. An evangelical college - one of the best in Canada.
The two schools partnershipped to have RPC on the campus of TWU and students take courses at both colleges - receiving their degree from TWU. They can get additional certificates of Catholic study from RPC apart from TWU as well.
With the exchange rate between US and Canada our daughter has gotten a fantastic private college education. Best of both worlds. She has fallen head over heels in love with her Catholic faith through attending RPC. They are 100% loyal to the church and Magesterium.
Check it out: rpcollege.bc.ca/
God Bless!!
But take heart - there are a handful of truly orthodox and fantastic Catholic colleges around! We discovered on such NEW Catholic college about 4 yrs ago!
It is called “Redeemer Pacific College” and is located in Langley, British Columbia just outside of Vancouver.
It was founded in partnership with Fransiscan University of Steubenville and Scott Hahn is on the board of directors.
RPC, as it is fondly referred to, is in fact on the campus of a wonderful christian college - “Trinity Western University”. An evangelical college - one of the best in Canada.
The two schools partnershipped to have RPC on the campus of TWU and students take courses at both colleges - receiving their degree from TWU. They can get additional certificates of Catholic study from RPC apart from TWU as well.
With the exchange rate between US and Canada our daughter has gotten a fantastic private college education. Best of both worlds. She has fallen head over heels in love with her Catholic faith through attending RPC. They are 100% loyal to the church and Magesterium.
Check it out: rpcollege.bc.ca/
God Bless!!
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AServantofGod
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Dumb question here? Does the V in V-Day actually stand for what I think it does? And where and how is V-Day typically celebrated?
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JimG
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Valentine’s Day?? Or does anybody celebrate that one anymore? Some universities have an entire V-Week of activities which begins on Valentines Day!! Hopelessly romantic!
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AServantofGod
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Ha Ha Ha on me! Yes we celebrate St. Valentine’s Day. I was just brain locked on the topic of the V-Monologues; for that reason I misunderstood the V in V-Day.
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rayne89
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Gloria Steinem, in the foreword for the published version of “The Vagina Monologues,” suggests (wrongly) that the romantic symbol of Valentine’s Day represents a female organ and female power: “The shape we call a heart . . . resembles the vulva far more than the organ that shares its name. . . . It was reduced from power to romance by centuries of male dominance.” In Ms. Steinem’s view, romance enfeebles and distracts women. By transmuting Valentine’s Day into Vagina Day, women are supposedly reclaiming their power.
center-right.org/article.php?id=93
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Catholic29
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rayne89 said:
If the leadership af these so-called “Catholic” Universities still consider their institutions as Catholic, why do they keep letting this garbage in???
Of course they will feed you the line “We are a University in the Roman Catholic tradition, open to a diversity of ideas”. That statement I do not buy, are you Catholic or aren’t you? Either your institution is Catholic in ALL things, or you are not Catholic at all. This infuriates me.
And it is a scandal for the Church that there still are many clergy and religious working on the staffs and administrations of these pseudo-Catholic Universities, apparently doing little or nothing to further God’s kingdom on earth. Of course I don’t paint all Catholic Universities with such a brush, but a great many of them I do unfortunately.
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Donna_Mc
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This is really upsetting, there is no way a Catholic college
should have this play! How disgusting!
should have this play! How disgusting!
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misericordie
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Defensor Fidei:
Does everyone notice something??? That this diabolical play/drama is always taking place MOSTLY at JESUIT UNIVERSITIES??? What in the world is happening to that ONCE great order?? I blame the SUPERIOR GENERAL for doing (as always) NOTHING, and why does not the POPE call in that Superior General, as Pius XII once did with a previous General? THE POPE (according to the JESUIT CONSTITUTIONS) is the SUPREME legislator not only of the whole church, but especially of the SOCIETY OF JESUS. Personally, If I were POPE would tell them: "return to being the Order Saint Ignatius intended, or I will supress the society permanantly, and hence there would be no more Jesuit order.
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AsStAnselmPrays
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Well, it’s good to see that Wikipedia is being used (great site, great info, great resources). I visit that site everyday to learn about tons of thing.
Anyway, I have a feeling that this play wouldn’t be too fitting for a Catholic University…
Anyway, I have a feeling that this play wouldn’t be too fitting for a Catholic University…
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threej_lc
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I attend a Catholic University (University of Portland), and the administration the last few years, I’m happy to say, has banned the production of this play.
That’s not to say there hasn’t been rampant student complaints and nasty articles in our school newspaper attacking the administration for it, but I’m happy to say the University has stood there ground.
That’s not to say there hasn’t been rampant student complaints and nasty articles in our school newspaper attacking the administration for it, but I’m happy to say the University has stood there ground.
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