Vagina monologues... what?

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There’s also a “Penis Monologue”. I wiish I knew how to post that puking icon.

CDL
 
I heard it ranged from topics like “what would your V. wear?” to rather graphic descriptions of lesbian sex, and faking orgasms on stage. I didn’t go to see it. It doesn’t sound like anything spiritually uplifting for a woman’s sexuality. Stick to Theology of the Body and Christopher West.
 
I heard it ranged from topics like “what would your V. wear?” to rather graphic descriptions of lesbian sex, and faking orgasms on stage. I didn’t go to see it. It doesn’t sound like anything spiritually uplifting for a woman’s sexuality. Stick to Theology of the Body and Christopher West.
That is what i thought, yet is on a catholic website. Should i worry that the church i may be going to next year in college says this about the website, “It is produced by the Paulist Fathers, this website helps guide us through our faith journey.” (the Paulist fathers run the church aswell) This worries me because the site seems very iffy.
 
CCC # 2521 Purity requires modesty, an integral part of temperance. Modesty protects the intimate center of the person. It means refusing to unveil what should remain hidden. It is ordered to chastity to whose sensitivity it bears witness. It guides how one looks at others and behaves toward them in conformity with the dignity of persons and their solidarity.

CCC #2523 There is a modesty of the feelings as well as of the body. It protests, for example, against the voyeuristic explorations of the human body in certain advertisements, or against the solicitations of certain media that go too far in the exhibition of intimate things. Modesty inspires a way of life which makes it possible to resist the allurements of fashion and the pressures of prevailing ideologies.

Remember Judas was also an apostle. He is very prevalent in the Church today. You can see him in Sr. Eve.

Ken
 
I heard it ranged from topics like “what would your V. wear?” to rather graphic descriptions of lesbian sex, and faking orgasms on stage. I didn’t go to see it. It doesn’t sound like anything spiritually uplifting for a woman’s sexuality. Stick to Theology of the Body and Christopher West.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Are you kidding me!!! The Vagina Monologs is not a disgusting show. You really should see it. I’ve heard that it’s wonderful (unfortunately I haven’t seen it yet). It deals with Women’s Issues from, starting your period, to abuse and rape, and no, not in a discusting way.

Just because something has the word vagina in it, doesn’t mean it’s dirty. Hey, here’s an idea let’s make it a normal word, just like, oh, say,* breast*. Everyone say it with me, vagina, vagina, vagina. See that’s not so hard.

The Paulists are great priests. I really DON"T think they’d push for something that was against Catholic morals.

Kim
 
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Are you kidding me!!! The Vagina Monologs is not a disgusting show. You really should see it. I’ve heard that it’s wonderful (unfortunately I haven’t seen it yet). It deals with Women’s Issues from, starting your period, to abuse and rape, and no, not in a discusting way.
Kim
I am going by what I’ve heard, so I could be wrong. But I don’t want to see faked orgasms, or hear about lesbian sex. It doesn’t sound very Catholic to me. But I could be wrong… and you’re also going by what you’ve heard, so perhaps you could fill me in when you’ve seen it? I don’t want to risk it; and I was told by friends that I trust who know me and my beliefs who saw the show that I would NOT like it.
 
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Are you kidding me!!! The Vagina Monologs is not a disgusting show. You really should see it. I’ve heard that it’s wonderful (unfortunately I haven’t seen it yet). It deals with Women’s Issues from, starting your period, to abuse and rape, and no, not in a discusting way.

Just because something has the word vagina in it, doesn’t mean it’s dirty. Hey, here’s an idea let’s make it a normal word, just like, oh, say,* breast*. Everyone say it with me, vagina, vagina, vagina. See that’s not so hard.

The Paulists are great priests. I really DON"T think they’d push for something that was against Catholic morals.

Kim
You go the Vagina show and I’ll go to the Penis show and we’ll come back and compare notes…long distance, of course. I’m married.

CDL
 
Does anyone else here see a problem with objectifying a body part? I don’t care if it is humorous or educational… I personally don’t need to hear anyone discussing lesbian sex from the perspective of a body part! Or what it would wear… For years we (women) have hated that boys in puberty and some men seem to think that their penis has a mind of it’s own… as if to excuse immoral thoughts or behaviors. Why in God’s name would we do the same? No thanks, I think I will take a pass on hearing about the personal style of my vagina…
 
I did see it back in the day (pagan days) and I can report that indeed, it is disgusting. I remember that I went with my then boyfriend and was quite embarrassed by the whole performance. It’s a two hour feminist screed, complete with total ojectification of women as nothing more than their talking genitals, normalizing all types of deviant sexual behavior. The simple fact the the world’s most notorious feminists (Fonda, Stienam, et.al) have particpated in the performances should be enough information for anyone.
 
Looks like we’re both right pio s.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vagina_Monologues#Plot_summary

There appear to be two stories of lesbians. For the most part it seems to be about healing and learning to accept one of our most femine parts.

Gregory, I’ll take you up on that. However, if I come back here raving about the show, I don’t want to hear that it’s only because I’m liberal. Too bad I missed the show at the UofA last year. The book looks good. So Gregory, will you give us a critique on The Penis Monologs, or was that a joke?

BlestOne, I don’t think the point of the program is to objectify the vagina. I think it’s about accepting our feminity. Over the centuries we have lost touch with that. Getting OT here… Women have been told we are dirty simply because we bleed. One of our greatest gifts from God, the gift of being able to give birth, has been turned into something disgusting. We should learn to love ourselves and what makes us women. Maybe that’s what the author of The Vagina Monologs is trying to say.

Kim
 
i read the first two pages of the script - that was enough to turn me off seeing it live.
 
:eek: I guess I’m hyper-sensitive to the V-Logs, being on a Catholic college campus (the target of the V-Day movement) and all, but I was surprised to see that so many people didn’t know what they’re all about!

I have read enough descriptions and excerpts from the play to recognize that they are thoroughly at odd with Catholic teaching on sexuality, though I must confess that I have not seen them performed.

NO, they are most certainly NOT acceptable for any Catholic. The objectification of women is apparent from the title; no aspect of the beautiful theology of the body is accurately represented by the play. Its only worthy ‘goal’ is combating violence against women, but by its very nature it does not accomplish that well at all.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Are you kidding me!!! The Vagina Monologs is not a disgusting show. You really should see it. I’ve heard that it’s wonderful (unfortunately I haven’t seen it yet). It deals with Women’s Issues from, starting your period, to abuse and rape, and no, not in a discusting way.
Before recommending that others see it, you should probably see it yourself.

Or…I suggest you actually read excerpts from the play. The title, as brash as it is, is only a small indication of the intensity of the play. If you follow this link, it will take you to a website of a group combating the showing of the V-Logs at the University of Notre Dame. It contains excerpts from the play to show its harm to people such as yourself, who are convinced that the V-Logs pose no real danger. WARNING: EXTREMELY EXPLICIT.
Just because something has the word vagina in it, doesn’t mean it’s dirty. Hey, here’s an idea let’s make it a normal word, just like, oh, say,* breast*. Everyone say it with me, vagina, vagina, vagina. See that’s not so hard.
I don’t have a problem with the word vagina. In fact, I don’t have a problem with appropriately expressed sexuality at all. I DO have a problem with reducing my personhood as a woman to my genitalia. I am much more than that, and to proclaim that I am only my genitalia, or to find empowerment in my vagina, is not only ridiculous, it is intensely counterproductive and against the Christian ideal of love–especially sexual love–as self-gift. Power has no place in sexuality.

The supporters of the V-Logs at ND last year wore shirts that said “Jesus loves vaginas.” How more crude and objectifying can we possibly get?
The Paulists are great priests. I really DON"T think they’d push for something that was against Catholic morals.
And there is the danger in any Catholic of any stripe supporting such a crude play. “Well if that good Catholic says it’s fine, then everything it proposes *must *be.” This is obviously not the case when one reads even a few pages of the V-Logs.

I’m skeptical as to whether the ‘anonymous’ nun on bustedhalo.com was actually a nun. Incredibly skeptical. Don’t trust everything you read online.

To sum up the V-Logs, from the end of that article I linked…The play’s main goal is **not **combating violence against women in the least:
There are, to be sure, some passages relating to violence against women, which is hailed by apologists as the play’s main theme. To be specific, we note the following: 13 lines about a 16th century witchcraft trial; 14 lines about 19th century surgical procedures to halt womens’ masturbation (with one 20th century case); nine lines about a punch in the groin of a girl by a 10-year old; 15 lines about a rape of a girl by her father’s friend; and ten lines about the ending of the “tradition of genital cutting” in some places in Africa and the faking of the practice by one of the “chief ‘cutters’” – for a total of 151 lines in this 124 page play. To be sure, some pages are not full; and we might have missed some pertinent pages inadvertently. Still, the general proportions are clear and striking. Erase the passages celebrating homosexual, heterosexual, and autoerotic sex and the female sexual organ and there is no play left.
 
BlestOne, I don’t think the point of the program is to objectify the vagina. I think it’s about accepting our feminity. Over the centuries we have lost touch with that. Getting OT here… Women have been told we are dirty simply because we bleed. One of our greatest gifts from God, the gift of being able to give birth, has been turned into something disgusting. We should learn to love ourselves and what makes us women. Maybe that’s what the author of The Vagina Monologs is trying to say.

Kim
Kim,
However menses was viewed in the past is in the past. I have never felt I was viewed as unclean because of it, and I really seriously doubt anyone raised in the modern world was made to feel that way, so wouldn’t this be a moot point? If we want affirmation of our femininity or womanhood, we don’t have to look any further than our own church. The Catholic Church has always celebrated the femininity of women in a biblical way. I don’t feel the need to see the liberal version of female equality (hmmmm… superiority) expressed this way. In fact I haven’t seen it, but from what that nun wrote, it seems to me that the writers are actually damaging femininity and womanhood by reducing womanhood and sexuality to an objectified existence. Sorry, I am not buying their version of “Love Thyself” sounds too much like masturbation to me. Just my humble opinion…
 
BlestOne, I don’t think the point of the program is to objectify the vagina. I think it’s about accepting our feminity. Over the centuries we have lost touch with that. Getting OT here… Women have been told we are dirty simply because we bleed. One of our greatest gifts from God, the gift of being able to give birth, has been turned into something disgusting. We should learn to love ourselves and what makes us women. Maybe that’s what the author of The Vagina Monologs is trying to say.
Here’s what she’s trying to say, according to the wikipedia you linked (I’m too tired to look up direct Eve Ensler quotes at the moment):
Every monologue somehow relates to the vagina, be it through sex, love, rape, menstruation, mutilation, masturbation, birth, orgasm, the variety of names for the vagina, or simply as a physical aspect of the female body. A recurring theme throughout the piece is the vagina as a tool of female empowerment, and the ultimate embodiment of individuality.
This is in no way in line with the Catholic view of the nuptial meaning of the body, the complementarity of man and woman, especially when it comes to sexuality, or the idea of sex as complete self-gift. Instead, it reduces sexuality to ‘a tool of empowerment’ and an ultimately meaningless ‘embodiment of individuality’.

I wanted to add, as well, that if women today believe they are being told by the Church that they are ‘dirty because they bleed,’ then someone needs to hand them a copy of JPII’s *Mulieris Dignitatem! *There is so much more to the meaning of the female body than that!
 
Rach620,
Girl, you summarized my thoughts and the concept of this “play” perfectly! You are dead on. There is absolutely nothing edifying in this vulgar performance for any woman, let alone a Catholic woman. And as you said, one need not look any further than the title to get the basic idea of Ensler’s agenda. God bless you!
 
Gregory, I’ll take you up on that. However, if I come back here raving about the show, I don’t want to hear that it’s only because I’m liberal. Too bad I missed the show at the UofA last year. The book looks good. So Gregory, will you give us a critique on The Penis Monologs, or was that a joke?

Kim
I wasn’t kidding about the existence of the Penis Monologue. However, I was kidding about seeing it. I have no intention of doing so even if it is only a spoof of the pruient show you are talking about.

My desire is to be like Jesus Christ. I have no interesting in promoting something that is clearly pagan in nature. Why would I? Why would you? I don’t give a damn about getting “in touch with” i.e., reducing my identity to, sex. Freud may have been intelligent but he is not God nor was he right about many of the things he taught through his morphine and cocaine infected mind. Sex and guilt over it are not the determining factors in our existence. I am “in Christ” and I invite you to become the same. He is our identity, not our sexual urgings.

CDL
 
Have any of you heard of this? Do you think it objectionable?
I guess i don’t know enough about it from reading this article i found on a catholic site but please help me out here.

bustedhalo.com/features/RememberingV-DayDefendingtheVaginaMonologues.htm
From your link:
and topics that the institutional Church has a problem with such as masturbation, and lesbian sex.
Institutional Church? Problem with? Does she not really mean the magisterium teaching with the authority of Christ revealing to us what is good and what is evil?
 
I have no problem with the vagina part. That’s the beautiful part.

I have a big problem with the “monologue” part.

Monologue - a long speech made by one person, often monopolizing conversation.

Note that is isn’t “dialogue”. It sounds like a bunch of feminists crooning about feminism, and do not want to listen to anything else. As if God created woman for women.
 
originally posted by mesquite magic
The Paulists are great priests. I really DON"T think they’d push for something that was against Catholic morals.
The Paulist Center near the Boston Common is where John Kerry attends mass. Having attending the mass myself, I can tell you the mass is declared not licit by the diocese and for many reasons. There is no creed, very little gospel, no kneelers, the choir including instruments is on the altar. The Priest sits in the first pew, not on the altar and the homily was able social justice. The social justice theme did not fit with few versus of Sodom and Gomorhea.

I know there are good Paulist priests but this group of Paulist priests is into its own agenda so be careful of sites.
 
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