Vagina monologues... what?

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:eek: I guess I’m hyper-sensitive to the V-Logs, being on a Catholic college campus (the target of the V-Day movement) and all, but I was surprised to see that so many people didn’t know what they’re all about!

I have read enough descriptions and excerpts from the play to recognize that they are thoroughly at odd with Catholic teaching on sexuality, though I must confess that I have not seen them performed.

NO, they are most certainly NOT acceptable for any Catholic. The objectification of women is apparent from the title; no aspect of the beautiful theology of the body is accurately represented by the play. Its only worthy ‘goal’ is combating violence against women, but by its very nature it does not accomplish that well at all.

**Before recommending that others see it, you should probably see it yourself. **

Or…I suggest you actually read excerpts from the play. The title, as brash as it is, is only a small indication of the intensity of the play. If you follow this link, it will take you to a website of a group combating the showing of the V-Logs at the University of Notre Dame. It contains excerpts from the play to show its harm to people such as yourself, who are convinced that the V-Logs pose no real danger. WARNING: EXTREMELY EXPLICIT.

I don’t have a problem with the word vagina. In fact, I don’t have a problem with appropriately expressed sexuality at all. I DO have a problem with reducing my personhood as a woman to my genitalia. I am much more than that, and to proclaim that I am only my genitalia, or to find empowerment in my vagina, is not only ridiculous, it is intensely counterproductive and against the Christian ideal of love–especially sexual love–as self-gift. Power has no place in sexuality.

The supporters of the V-Logs at ND last year wore shirts that said “Jesus loves vaginas.” How more crude and objectifying can we possibly get?

And there is the danger in any Catholic of any stripe supporting such a crude play. “Well if that good Catholic says it’s fine, then everything it proposes *must *be.” This is obviously not the case when one reads even a few pages of the V-Logs.

I’m skeptical as to whether the ‘anonymous’ nun on bustedhalo.com was actually a nun. Incredibly skeptical. Don’t trust everything you read online.

To sum up the V-Logs, from the end of that article I linked…The play’s main goal is **not **combating violence against women in the least:
Before making judgements about something, maybe you should see it yourself!

Everyone’s a critic. that’s why I don’t trust critics. I make choices on my own.
 
>>No thanks, I think I will take a pass on hearing about the personal style of my vagina…<<

Where you being intentionally funny? Because that came across as quite funny.
 
Before making judgements about something, maybe you should see it yourself!

Everyone’s a critic. that’s why I don’t trust critics. I make choices on my own.
I haven’t seen it because I choose not to subject myself to such filth. I know that pornography is wrong without having seen it myself–this is a quite similar situation.

But I have educated myself as to the content of the play, read plenty of descriptions and excerpts, and spoken to people who have seen it themselves.

My criticism is a lot more well-founded than your support seems to be.

Did you read the site I linked with excerpts/a synopsis of the play? I’m curious to hear what you thought.
 
As a woman who has seen the Vagina Monologues performed, I would urge everyone to NEVER see it. I wish I had not as I found the play very offensive. It promotes pre-marital sex, masturbation and homosexuality. It asks women to “explore” their bodies in whatever ways that feel good… with a guy, with a girl, with themselves. It seems to be saying “Anything goes.”

The show made me uncomfortable long and at the time I wasn’t even Catholic or particularly religious. It wasn’t until later, after I became Catholic, that I could express why it made me so uncomfortable. I realized that the play encourages women to act in ways that work against their dignity as daughters of Christ. While attempting to celebrate women, it actually aims much lower by celebrating their sexuality, their body parts and their “freedom.” I would argue that there are better ways to support women, whole women, than this particular play.

The Vagina Monologues are not a postive influence on women. I know that the show intends to be a postive, but I really believe that it fails to hold women up to their full dignity. It promotes sexual experimentation and exploration of the female body (i.e. masturbation) that is sinful. As a Catholic, I know that such actions are objectively wrong.

God bless you all.
 
>>No thanks, I think I will take a pass on hearing about the personal style of my vagina…<<

Where you being intentionally funny? Because that came across as quite funny.
Yeah that was the intention… I’m glad someone else found it funny too… Just the idea that a part of the body has it’s own sense of style cracked me up… kinda in a psychotic sort of way, it reminded me of dissociative personality disorder mixed with gender confusion… oy vey!
 
I saw it on HBO some years ago. The only thing I recall for sure is a woman on stage yelling out a variety of slang names for female body parts and recalling incidents of sex with a young girl. Now, people do use those words, but usually not in polite company, as Grandma used to say. And more often it’s men using them about women in a degrading way; so I wasn’t happy to see the actress adopting this usage.
 
In the most hostile-to-Christianity class I’ve ever taught two female students wore a Vag. Monologue shirt to class one day. As it turns out they starred in the “classic” at the college where I teach. One of the students lists her religion as “finding sexual fulfillment” She’s single.

VM is simply one symptom among many of a cultural train wreck about to happen.

Some researchers predict a moral revival by the end of this decade. I sure hope so.

CDL
 
I’ve had a number of opportunities to see the VM, but being a shy person, I decided to read it instead. I thought it was silly, stupid and childish as could be. I’m more than a body part.
 
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Are you kidding me!!! The Vagina Monologs is not a disgusting show. You really should see it. I’ve heard that it’s wonderful (unfortunately I haven’t seen it yet). It deals with Women’s Issues from, starting your period, to abuse and rape, and no, not in a discusting way.

Just because something has the word vagina in it, doesn’t mean it’s dirty. Hey, here’s an idea let’s make it a normal word, just like, oh, say,* breast*. Everyone say it with me, vagina, vagina, vagina. See that’s not so hard.

The Paulists are great priests. I really DON"T think they’d push for something that was against Catholic morals.

Kim
Maybe you should see it for yourself. It is a disgusting show and points to how morally bankrupt the secular progressives are. By the way, even though the Paulist fathers do some very good work, they are by and large a very liberal order and constantly straddle the line of dissidence. The Paulist Center in Boston appears to openly support gay relationships.
 
I will concide that I should have seen the show before I spoke. I have every intention of seeing it if it ever comes to town again. I also will read the book and be better informed before I speak my mind. The censorship devil poked my behind :hmmm:

As for the Paulists, you won’t change my mind about them. I found them to be intelligent, informed men. As far as being liberal, well, I centainly don’t have a problem with that, being fairly liberal myself. At the same time, I’ve never, **personally **heard them promote anything BUT offical Catholic teachings. You’ll have to prove to me that they promote gay marriage. I haven’t seen that for myself 🤷

Kim
 
My morally-relativist, pro-choice, anti-religious authority mother (who, despite her flaws, I love dearly, just as she does me, despite mine 😃 ) went to see the play with her equally morally-relativist, pro-choice, anti-religious authority friend, and they both loved it. This, in and of itself, was a strong enough recommendation for me not to see it.

Whoever posted the theory about the moral revolution coming soon, I’m going to put that in my prayer intentions starting tonight!

C
 
A play that pushes flippancy, masturbation, statutory rape, homosexual sex, and fornication, and does it by hiding behind flags of “defeating sexual repression” and “combatting violence against women”? Heck, I’ll take Fred Phelps and Margaret Sanger over that: at least they have the courage to cop to their entire agendas.

We’re here to establish God’s kingdom on earth; we can’t do that if we fight violence against women by destroying the sacredness of their sexuality.

God bless.
 
Went to see it with my wife and three daughters. We were all rolling in the aisles.
The musical is about accepting that most essential body part that defines one as woman and accepting womanhood and all it entails (including the messiness and uncertainty). It talks about the problems and agonies of the changing nature of the female body. The body changes and the woman (who she is) changes with it. No, it’s not fun but it is a part of the essence of you as a person. We are humans, not angels. Vagina Monologues discusses it in a humorous style.
We all recognized the stages of development: a girl’s first period, the exploration of sexual pleasure, marital relations, childbirth, menopause. We remembered how we agonized about each step at the time and laughed that it wasn’t nearly as disasterous, terrible, or serious as we thought when we were working through it.
What do I know about it as a man??
As I said above: wife and three daughters. If I don’t know about it, it’s because I’m not paying attention to the women in my life. For which shame on me!

Matthew
 
Went to see it with my wife and three daughters. We were all rolling in the aisles.
The musical is about accepting that most essential body part that defines one as woman and accepting womanhood and all it entails (including the messiness and uncertainty). It talks about the problems and agonies of the changing nature of the female body. The body changes and the woman (who she is) changes with it. No, it’s not fun but it is a part of the essence of you as a person. We are humans, not angels. Vagina Monologues discusses it in a humorous style.
We all recognized the stages of development: a girl’s first period, the exploration of sexual pleasure, marital relations, childbirth, menopause. We remembered how we agonized about each step at the time and laughed that it wasn’t nearly as disasterous, terrible, or serious as we thought when we were working through it.
What do I know about it as a man??
As I said above: wife and three daughters. If I don’t know about it, it’s because I’m not paying attention to the women in my life. For which shame on me!

Matthew
See here:

projectsycamore.com/pages/vm_description.php

Is any of that reasonable, edifying, or funny?
 
I will concide that I should have seen the show before I spoke. I have every intention of seeing it if it ever comes to town again. I also will read the book and be better informed before I speak my mind. The censorship devil poked my behind :hmmm:

As for the Paulists, you won’t change my mind about them. I found them to be intelligent, informed men. As far as being liberal, well, I centainly don’t have a problem with that, being fairly liberal myself. At the same time, I’ve never, **personally **heard them promote anything BUT offical Catholic teachings. You’ll have to prove to me that they promote gay marriage. I haven’t seen that for myself 🤷

Kim
If you’re ever in Boston, drop by the Paulist Center. There’s rainbow supporting gays just as you enter the Church. My brother attends the Church and the reason he does is because the Paulists there are very supportive of gays. My brother firmly supports gay relationships and adoption by gays.
 
I heard it ranged from topics like “what would your V. wear?” to rather graphic descriptions of lesbian sex, and faking orgasms on stage. I didn’t go to see it. It doesn’t sound like anything spiritually uplifting for a woman’s sexuality. Stick to Theology of the Body and Christopher West.
I haven’t seen it but it was really starting to get popular around the time I left college, and it was everywhere, even many Catholic colleges had shown it.

I did read reviews, and themes like “what would your vagina wear” :rolleyes: were in there…it seemed to me like it was meant to be an “uplifting” and “empowering” experience for women to be able to talk about “their vaginas”, but even in my most liberal days, I always thought it was a bit childish and crude.

Now I see it as very sad that women are reduced to believing that “celebrating” the vagina is empowerment.
 
Jeez…

I you can’t accept a part of your body, call it for what it is, or… realize that those parts between your legs have an influence on your being, and yourself…and then be comfortable enough to make jokes about it…

What if it was the “Nipple Monologue” (I can’t help it, it’s cold… I’m gonna stick out…)

Males for eons have been accused of “letting the little head do the thinking for the big one”… It’s about time that women admit that their “parts” sometimes have a mind of their own, and are funny too.

(Just be glad you’re wearing Playtex’s “Cross your Heart”… and not their “Cross you Knee’s” model…😛 )
 
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