valid baptism?

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Friends, I am assisting a friend with entering the Church. She was baptized in the Church of the Nazarene. I know that generally speaking, baptism in most Christian communities of faith are considered valid, but that there are a few that are not because they don’t baptize in the “name of the father, son and holy spirit,” but rather “in the spirit” only. Perhaps there are other reasons too for a baptism to be seen as invalid, I’m not sure.

In this case though, it is a baptism in the Church of the Nazarene. Valid? Thanks.
 
They will have to look into how they baptized…what from was used (In then Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit) and the intent. A baptism only in the name of the “Spirit” would not be a valid baptism.
 
Thanks. Maybe someone out there is familiar or has direct experience with the Church of the Nazarene denomination. It doesn’t seem to be a loosely connected set of independent faith communities with the same name but each doing there own thing. My brief research shows it to be a self-defined international denomination, with articles of faith, etc. I just couldn’t figure how their baptisms are conducted.
 
I’ve never heard of baptism in the name of the Spirit only, but one does hear of baptism in the name of Jesus only. It is derived from the shorthand used in the book of Acts (and perhaps an epistle or two? I’m not sure about that) for Christian baptism, and is insisted on by some (all?) Oneness Pentecostals in connection with their essentially Modalist theology. Such a baptism is not presumed to be valid, but most other Protestant baptisms are.
 
thanks all. Just heard from my pastor. Church of Nazarene is considered valid. Prayers for my friend as she continues on her journey!

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The Catechism of the Catholic Church states;
“1284 In casu necessitatis, quaelibet persona baptizare potest, dummodo intentionem habeat faciendi quod facit Ecclesia et super candidati caput aquam infundat dicens: « Ego te baptizo in nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti ».”
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“1278 Ritus essentialis Baptismi consistit in immersione candidati in aquam vel in aquae infusione super caput eius, Sanctissimae Trinitatis, id est, Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti invocationem pronuntiando.”
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Translations;

1284: In case of necessity, any person can baptize provided that he have the intention of doing that which the Church does and provided that he pours water on the candidate’s head while saying: “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”

1278: The essential rite of Baptism consists in immersing the candidate in water or pouring water on his head, while pronouncing the invocation of the Most Holy Trinity: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Thus, a baptism is only valid if the father, son and holy spirit are invoked.

The Church recognises the Church of Nazarene Baptism because their rite of baptism does in fact mention father, son and holy spirit. This means that the person you mention being baptised was not baptised according to the correct rite, and it is possible that this Baptism was invalid.

Also, one should recognise that the person is not following the rites prescribed for baptism; which is a sacramental abuse.

In summary; Baptism in the Church of Nazarene, according to their rites is valid. This particular form of baptism however, is not.

God be with you. :gopray2:
 
DeusSalusNostra said:
This means that the person you mention being baptised was not baptised according to the correct rite, …
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Where did you draw this conclusion from? Perhaps I’m the one who’s missing something, but I think it’s you – go back and reread the first post in the thread.
 
MarkThompson said:
Where did you draw this conclusion from? Perhaps I’m the one who’s missing something, but I think it’s you – go back and reread the first post in the thread.
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The rite prescribed for any valid and licit baptism by any Christian is by pouring water over the head (or by immersion) and baptising the person invoking the Most Holy Trinity; Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Correct?

So, the Church - and thus God - only recognises Trinitarian Baptisms. The first post describes a particular baptism that only provided a baptism “in the spirit” - thus not invoking the Holy Father and Divine Son. You understand me? I’m saying there may be a problem with this particular baptism, though I would not worry about it too much. It is not the fault of the baptised person, but the person administering the sacrament.
 
DeusSalusNostra said:
The first post describes a particular baptism that only provided a baptism “in the spirit”
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No it doesn’t. It describes a baptism “in the Church of the Nazarene,” and then it points out that although “baptism in most Christian communities of faith are [sic] considered valid”, “there are a few” Christian ecclesial communities that baptize “‘in the name of the spirit’ only”; the OP wants to know which kind of group the Church of the Nazarene is – a Trinitarian or non-Trinitarian baptizing church. The answer is that they practice Trinitarian baptism.
 
psalm51mercy said:
I know that generally speaking, baptism in most Christian communities of faith are considered valid, but that there are a few that are not because they don’t baptize in the “name of the father, son and holy spirit,” but rather “in the spirit” only. Perhaps there are other reasons too for a baptism to be seen as invalid, I’m not sure.

In this case though, it is a baptism in the Church of the Nazarene. Valid? Thanks.
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I don’t see the word “trinitarian” in there 😉

Yes, Church of Nazarene baptisms are considered valid

But… this is solely because they perform trinitarian baptisms. But in this case, only one part of the Holy Trinity was invoked, thus it would technically make the sacrament invalid.

I’m just sticking with Church Teaching here; if the Baptism, performed by whatever denomination, was not performed with the invocation of the Most Holy Trinity; Father, Son and Holy Ghost; it is invalid and illicit.There is no alternative to this statement.
Mark, the OP’s question has been answered, but I am addressing a separate issue.

Church of Nazarene usually baptise in the name of the father, son and holy spirit. I’m not sure why on this particularly occasion someone decided to omit the whole Trinity
 
I just wanted to know if Church of the Nazarene did valid Baptisms, Father, Son, Holy Spirit w water. That’s all. Answer discovered: Yes.
 
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