valid baptism?

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I recently attended a baptism where the priest was more of an interdenominational leader than a vicar of Christ. He allowed the parents to choose a reading from the kamma sutra, omitted things like the exorcism which has been a part of all the baptisms I have known, and kept diminishing the catholicity of the sacrament so as not to offend anyone who believes differently. I feel like something should be done about this. What can I do?
 
If you have attempted to talk with your pastor first and find out why he did what he did, and you got no place fast, AND if you have evidence (Kamasutra??? You’re sure???), go to the dean of your deanery, or your bishop. Be prepared to use your name and have your evidence ready.

(Kamasutra??? What’s next, Tantra??? Gives me the shivers.)
 
According to the 2004 Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum:

“[184.] Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff. It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity.”
 
I recently attended a baptism where the priest was more of an interdenominational leader than a vicar of Christ. He allowed the parents to choose a reading from the kamma sutra, omitted things like the exorcism which has been a part of all the baptisms I have known, and kept diminishing the catholicity of the sacrament so as not to offend anyone who believes differently. I feel like something should be done about this. What can I do?
The Kama Sutra is a lot different to what most people think, and certainly different from tantra. Not to say that it was at all appropriate for use at a Catholic baptism.

Point being was the heart of the Sacrament there? Did the priest use water and baptise in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?
 
Seal,

I’m sorry to hear about what sounds like an appalling example of a baptism. I agree with the suggestions that you address the liturgical abuse by reporting it. However, your title for the thread asks if it was a valid baptism.

If it was done with water and in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, it was valid even if not performed in an orthodox manner.

God Bless,

CARose
 
I recently attended a baptism where the priest was more of an interdenominational leader than a vicar of Christ. He allowed the parents to choose a reading from the kamma sutra, omitted things like the exorcism which has been a part of all the baptisms I have known, and kept diminishing the catholicity of the sacrament so as not to offend anyone who believes differently. I feel like something should be done about this. What can I do?
Kama Sutra as in the Kama Sutra? Why would he read something like that at a religious service? I fail to see the relevance even if he was trying to be interdemonimational, or intereligous…
 
If you have attempted to talk with your pastor first and find out why he did what he did, and you got no place fast, AND if you have evidence (Kamasutra??? You’re sure???), go to the dean of your deanery, or your bishop. Be prepared to use your name and have your evidence ready.

(Kamasutra??? What’s next, Tantra??? Gives me the shivers.)
Kamasutra, a dry treatise on fine and sensual arts.
 
If it was done with water and in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, it was valid even if not performed in an orthodox manner.
Full agreement here. Just as outraged as everyone else with the liturgical abuses that occurred. But the sacrament is valid if it has been performed in this manner.
 
Full agreement here. Just as outraged as everyone else with the liturgical abuses that occurred. But the sacrament is valid if it has been performed in this manner.
LOL! Is that what the Church is all about, giving valid sacraments in in-valid settings. Sounds almost like heresy to me.:o
 
Full agreement here. Just as outraged as everyone else with the liturgical abuses that occurred. But the sacrament is valid if it has been performed in this manner.
Considering said baptism happened over two years ago, it’s water well and truly under the bridge (or over the skin, pardon the pun) now.
 
Considering said baptism happened over two years ago, it’s water well and truly under the bridge (or over the skin, pardon the pun) now.
Well, not quite. Even if the Trinitarian formula was used, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the baptism was valid. The minister must have the intent to do a Christian baptism–and it’s possible that this might be questionable given what’s been described. To illustrate the point, Mormon baptisms are not valid baptisms even though they might use the trinitarian formula.

It’s not quite “water under the bridge” if (and I repeat if) there’s someone out there who wasn’t truly baptized.
 
Well, not quite. Even if the Trinitarian formula was used, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the baptism was valid. The minister must have the intent to do a Christian baptism–and it’s possible that this might be questionable given what’s been described. To illustrate the point, Mormon baptisms are not valid baptisms even though they might use the trinitarian formula.

It’s not quite “water under the bridge” if (and I repeat if) there’s someone out there who wasn’t truly baptized.
This is something that concerns me. I’m worried about the growing number of people who claim to be Christian but were baptized using an incorrect formula, i.e., they were baptized just in the name of Jesus, or in the name of the Father, or in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of John the Baptist, or using some “non-gender-specific” language. In all of these cases, the people did not get the mark upon their souls that binds them to Jesus. I’m worried that when the Chastisement comes, in five years or fifty, that these people will be the first to fall away.
 
Well, not quite. Even if the Trinitarian formula was used, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the baptism was valid. The minister must have the intent to do a Christian baptism–and it’s possible that this might be questionable given what’s been described. To illustrate the point, Mormon baptisms are not valid baptisms even though they might use the trinitarian formula.

It’s not quite “water under the bridge” if (and I repeat if) there’s someone out there who wasn’t truly baptized.
Mormons do not believe Jesus is God.
 
Mormons do not believe Jesus is God.
That’s the point exactly. Just because someone baptizes with a Trinitarian formula, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the baptism is a valid one. Most such baptisms are valid, but not all.
 
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