Valid Communion Issue in NJ

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Jason Hurd:
I find this comment insensitive in the extreme… If anything, the stubbornness is on the other side.
Jason, speaking as a Celiac, there is no stubbornness from the Church. Valid sacraments require specific form and matter. In the case of the Eucharist, the matter is plain bread and plain wine. Nobody has authority to change this requirement no matter what. Any argument around this is from lack of information or understanding.

Gluten intolerance enteropathy causes specific cellular damage to the intestinal lining. The protein Gliadin found in the gluten of the grains wheat, rye, barley, oats and triticale. Trust me, there’s a LOT more than just bread you can never again eat. Next time you’re in the supermarket, look at ingredients. Anything with mono- and diglycerides, or unqualified “vinegar” for instance, is not to be eaten.

The correct solution at Mass is consuming only the species of His Sacred Blood. If low-gluten hosts are available and acceptable for the degree of the patient’s gluten intolerance, what a blessing.

I must arrive at Mass in time to speak to Father, to get his permission to receive only from the cup, to ask how he’d like to handle the logistics so as to keep the Liturgy serene, and so he knows to prepare a separate chalice for consecration in which he does not commingle the host. Again, what a blessing.

Receiving this way in many parishes over the last three years, has not produced a recurrence of my symptoms. I’m an adult though, and it can be far more severe for kids.

I remember well the story of the family arguing for a “rice wafer” a few years ago. It happened right when I was being diagnosed. I must point out that they went ‘down the street’ to a Methodist congregation that welcomed them with open arms–and a ready supply of rice wafers. Once there, they were written up in Methodist publications as though they were expert Catholics, yet ten minutes before they left the Church, they didn’t understand or accept the sufficiency of the cup to receive Him.

The truth I think is quite different from a battle with a faceless, insensitive Curia to preserve the dignity of a sick little working-class American girl. That is a conveniently sinister image, isn’t it? And since it’s only an image, and not the truth, the sinister image’s truthfulness is pointless to debate.

This grieving Mother and Father sought, then refused to accept, the holy instruction of Rome. Their misplaced compassion was preventing their little girl from being the “odd man out.”

The real social problem with celiac is that we take bread so much for granted that when it becomes a threat to our life, so we must never eat it again, this carries a surprisingly large emotional adjustment. Removing simple bread causes great discomfort.

He provides for me specially at the Eucharistic Banquet, because of my tiny little affliction, so I now receive on both knees. But there is a certain pang at every other meal. Appreciate simple bread, my friends. There is truly nothing in the world like it.

And imagine what it is to enforce prohibition to a seven year old against bread, or spaghetti, or most ice creams (mono and diglycerides) and most prepared sauces (“vinegar” which may be a problematic grain vinegar). No more Doritos, no more of most candies. Birthday cake.

Yes, the prayers are for the loss of the little ones whose parents make them political footballs in an acting-out of misplaced anger for the Church, which is really about their own reaction to the new dietary restrictions and expense, not to mention the child’s and family’s emotional adjustment to the Celiac disease.

It’s only bread, you might say. I would never have imagined such a thing were possible until I experienced it myself. celiac.com

And pray for these little ones whose sorrowing parents refuse the good and proper remedy to their affliction as though it were a prideful fault of Jesus’ Church.
 
He provides for me specially at the Eucharistic Banquet, because of my tiny little affliction, so I now receive on both knees. But there is a certain pang at every other meal. Appreciate simple bread, my friends. There is truly nothing in the world like it.
What a beautiful post. And yes, we should include this family in our prayers.
 
a similar problem came up in first communion class last year, child who cannot swallow the host because of a strong gag reflex. We worked it out with the deacon and sacristan, purchased a set of special small chalices, one is prepared and consecrated for that child at the Mass the family attends, deacon knows them and makes sure he gets it, handles the whole thing discreetly and compassionately. The other little chalices have caps and are used to take precious blood to homebound people on feeding tubes, then immediately brought back to parish office and cleaned properly by the deacon. (there is a whole procedure for this and eucharistic minister must be trained for it and doctor has to approve.)
 
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Seatuck:
Thank you for those links.

The Catholic City article is the one I had read some time ago, but was unable to find for this thread.
 
Kevin’s answer was very good. Just this spring I was diagnosed with CD at the age of 47. Jesus has never seemed so precious. I receive from the chalice and when I go to an indult mass, which is infrequently, I make a spiritual communion. I have a cross to bear and with His loving grace, I will bear it for Him.

After being sick for so long, I thank God that I finally got a correct diagnosis. Learning a new way to eat as an adult is hard. The mom is lucky her daughter was diagnosed young so that her daughter can avoid the health problems associated with CD. It is unreasonable and wrong that the mom is refusing her daughter a small sip of The Precious Blood of Our Savior.

God bless,
oremus
 
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KennySe:
Thank you for those links.

The Catholic City article is the one I had read some time ago, but was unable to find for this thread.
You’re Welcome! There are actually quite a few out there. This topic came up recently on another board that I frequent. It had been thoroughly hashed out -very painfully I might add-and much learned by all about the disease and the suffering. What is comes down to is this church and our God values suffering while the world and the evil one rejects it. So the church seems unfeeling and willing to bend.

That being said. The disease is handled in a myriad of ways by the sufferers. I learned about the practices of many celiacs. Most of them don’t use low gluten hosts or want to. They recieve a fragment of the host once a month or once a year(whatever is the personal decision) or they recieve the Precious Blood when it is offered. None have any big physical symptoms. Most are not worried about the risk of cancer since they are scrupulous avoiders of gluten the rest of the time. Some are so in fear (perhaps rightly so) of the physical harms of gluten they avoid the fragment. They usually say the Spiritual Communion Prayer when they don’t wish to receive. I also know of one recently diagnosed sufferer who is now experiencing a total faith crisis because of it.We are praying for her.
I suggest a Parish print the prayer on special pretty holy cards and give it as a gift to a celiac sufferer.To show solidarity with the suffering.
 
What are the alternatives for those who are intolerant to both gluten and alchohol? Where can I find the info relating to the validity of only bread and wine? Some people on another site seem to think that any matter can be consecrated (A Methodist). I don’t see how that can be right but I can’t explain it to my own satisfaction, much less theirs.
 
What are the alternatives for those who are intolerant to both gluten and alchohol? Where can I find the info relating to the validity of only bread and wine? Some people on another site seem to think that any matter can be consecrated (A Methodist). I don’t see how that can be right but I can’t explain it to my own satisfaction, much less theirs.
If in the very rare case that just a sliver of a 0.01 percent gluten host as these sisters make catholickey.org/index.php3?g…article_id=2858 or a few drops of mustum is too much of one thing or the other, then I don’t know what the answer would be.

(Mustum is grape juice which contains no additives, is not pasteurized, and has a very low alcohol content because the fermentation process has been arrested shortly after its start. Mustum contains less than 1% alcohol.)

And of course Methodist sacraments, except for baptism, aren’t recognized by the Catholic Church. Since they don’t have a valid priesthood(holy orders) and are thus unable to confect the Eucharist.
 
I saw a story last night on the news about a girl who had some kind of medical condition that made her body unable to break down the glutons in wheat. Therefore, for her first Communion they used a host made of rice. The Church Authorities later said that they couldn’t do this, and invalidated her First Communion.

Now, I realize that the Secular Media always puts their own spin on things. But to me this really seems like splitting hairs. On the other hand, she can still receive the Precious Blood, which is everything.

Anyway, I just wanted to see what you guys thought about it.
 
The authorities are right. On the surface it seems like splitting hairs, but if they start using substitute matter, there is no logical stopping point. Why not use orange juice and a bagel? After all, most masses are celebrated at breakfast time. Because even though it seems like sweating the details, the Church does not have the necessary authority to change the matter of the sacraments.

My question is (and I think yours but I’m not sure), if one species is the correct matter (wine) and one wrong (rice), is the whole invalidated?

Scott
 
That is true. You know, I think this child’s mother is just trying to stir up trouble. The Benedictine Sisters in Clyde, MO make a low-gluton host, but for this woman that’s not good enough. It HAS to be rice. I think she is wrong.

Also, how many people are there that have this condition? Very few. I think the Secular Media seeks out the negative stories, while ignoring anything positive.
 
I am repeating my post from another thread, which also has more information on this issue. See: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=11664

The question of using bread for the Eucharist is not simply a question of Canon Law. Every sacrament has its own valid matter and form. For the Eucharist, bread (and wine) are required. This is the matter that Christ used at the last supper, and the church does not consider herself free to change it. Since bread is the proper and valid matter for the sacrament, no consecration takes place without it. If a priest substitutes rice or some other matter, then no consecration is effective, and the communicant would not receive the body and blood of the Lord. Therefore, seeking an exception to the valid matter is counterproductive.

The girl in question may of course, receive only from the cup, thereby avoiding the problem with receiving under the species of bread. Jesus is present whole and entire under either species.
 
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JimG:
I am repeating my post from another thread, which also has more information on this issue. See: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=11664

The question of using bread for the Eucharist is not simply a question of Canon Law. Every sacrament has its own valid matter and form. For the Eucharist, bread (and wine) are required. This is the matter that Christ used at the last supper, and the church does not consider herself free to change it. Since bread is the proper and valid matter for the sacrament, no consecration takes place without it. If a priest substitutes rice or some other matter, then no consecration is effective, and the communicant would not receive the body and blood of the Lord. Therefore, seeking an exception to the valid matter is counterproductive.

The girl in question may of course, receive only from the cup, thereby avoiding the problem with receiving under the species of bread. Jesus is present whole and entire under either species.
“Since [wheat] bread is the proper and valid matter for the sacrament, no consecration takes place without it.”

Hopefully you mean no Consecration of the “bread” takes place, if the Wine is valid matter then possibly Consecration of the wine could take place. One is never to Consecrate one element without the other. However I do not find anywhere I have looked, any indication the other valid Matter or valid Matter Consecrated alone would be invalid, only illicit.
 
The article completely glossed over the issue of alternative; why can’t she just receive from the cup? That seems to solve the entire issue. They want an alternative that is not valid and refuse an alternative that is valid. If their were no valid alternative for the girl I would be more sympathetic, but as I see things she is refusing to receive the Precious Blood of Christ because she would rather have an invalid rice wafer. Am I missing something here?? Someone please fill me in, I can be extremely slow at times. :o
 
Steve M said:
foxnews.com/story/0,2933,129477,00.html

I’m new to Catholicism, but is this kind of thing the rule or the exception. It seems kind of strange to tell someone they have to do something that could possibly kill them.

Steve M, Welcome! May you grow in your faith and stay with it, and persever to the end.

I knew right away from the question of your thread what you were referring to. I did not read the article, but saw the parent being interviewed on T.V.

Yes, it is a dilemma. I understand the consternation of the parent. And it is OK that she brought this problem out in the open and to the attention of the Church.

I don’t think it is wise to become strident and to insist the Church immediately change the accidents of the hosts. After all the Church followed Jesus’ example in what he did at the Last Supper when he used only unleavened bread made of wheat.

It is very important to be able to receive your First Holy Communion and Holy Communion at any time. But wouldn’t it be much better to approach such a situation with humility and prayer and wait till a solution has been found?

Just my thoughts: Here in the free world we take so much for granted, even the receiving of Holy Communion - we consider it a right. When our demands are not immediately met, our attitude is “Let’s broadcast it,” and in the process we unwittingly have created a spirit of rebellion. For many it is more important get that right than to be right.

God bless you all.

Theodora
 
I agree with Martino. This story illustrates two points. First, reporters are woefully uninformed about the Catholic faith. The reporter implies that receiving under the species of wine is not full participation in Holy Communion. In fact, Jesus is fully present in both the “bread” and “wine.” Second, the reporter implies that the family shares the reporter’s inadequate understanding of Holy Communion. I don’t know if this is true (you can’t trust the media enough to know for sure), but if it is true it illustrates the sad state of catechesis in our parishes. At worst, it shows that the girl wasn’t sufficiently catechized to receive Holy Communion in the first place (presuming that her condition doesn’t also prevent her from receiving from the chalice). 😦
 
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martino:
The article completely glossed over the issue of alternative; why can’t she just receive from the cup? That seems to solve the entire issue. They want an alternative that is not valid and refuse an alternative that is valid. If their were no valid alternative for the girl I would be more sympathetic, but as I see things she is refusing to receive the Precious Blood of Christ because she would rather have an invalid rice wafer. Am I missing something here?? Someone please fill me in, I can be extremely slow at times. :o
The girl in question cannot receive from the cup, either, because the cup also contains small particles of the wafer. In some people with celiac disease, even the tiniest amount of gluten can trigger a terribly painful flare-up of the disease. While for some mildly intolerant celiac sufferers the amount of gluten that is introduced into the wine at the time of co-mingling will cause little or no ill effects, for many it will indeed cause great pain and suffering. I know if I were a celiac sufferer, I would not want to do trial and error to see just how intolerant I were.
Have a great day!
Judy
 
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