Valid Marriage?

[D317]

Thank you all so very much.

Just so I know, what would the proper dispensation in canonical form have been? Is it something in writting from the Bishop?

May our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ continue to bless you all.

 

[Seatuck]

Thank you all so very much.

Just so I know, what would the proper dispensation in canonical form have been? Is it something in writting from the Bishop?

May our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ continue to bless you all.

The priest who would have been helping you with your marital preparation would have made the request for you .

So, as has been mentioned if you want to bring your marriage into the church you will need to sit down with a priest to get things moving.

 

[Phemie]

Thank you all so very much.

Just so I know, what would the proper dispensation in canonical form have been? Is it something in writting from the Bishop?

May our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ continue to bless you all.

The priest who is preparing the couple for marriage petitions the Bishop for a such a dispensation, enumerating why he thinks it would be a good idea for it to be granted. The way it works in my diocese is that in cases like this all the forms from the prenuptial investigation are forwarded to the Bishop for review. One form is specifically a request for dispensation from canonical form and if the Bishop grants it that form is returned signed by him indicating his consent.

 

[FromTheAshes777]

Thank you all so very much.

Just so I know, what would the proper dispensation in canonical form have been? Is it something in writting from the Bishop?

May our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ continue to bless you all.

you and your spouse are in my prayers friend
go talk to a Priest or Deacon asap

usually confession and then a quick simple ceremony is all that is needed to regularize things

 

[mswood]

hello 1ke

          Are you saying the Church denys acknowledging their commitment they have  to each other? 
 That's a hard teaching
         ok  show me  where that is written,  and I'll bring it to the associate pastor who stated it.

God bless,
John

If a Catholic marries without follow Catholic Cannon (both free to marry, marry in the Catholic church or with special permission etc…), and then has marital relations with their spouse, the church considers them to be living in sin, I don’t see how something that is a sin can be considered a recognizable commitment.

If the OP has a civil marriage outside of the Catholic church and did not receive dispensation his marriage is not considered valid by the Catholic Church. I recommend you speak with your priest ASAP.

If the OP and his spouse where both non-Catholic at the time of their marriage and where otherwise free to marry then the church would recognize it as a valid marriage.

 

[John_oxios]

If a Catholic marries without follow Catholic Cannon (both free to marry, marry in the Catholic church or with special permission etc…), and then has marital relations with their spouse, the church considers them to be living in sin, I don’t see how something that is a sin can be considered a recognizable commitment.

If the OP has a civil marriage outside of the Catholic church and did not receive dispensation his marriage is not considered valid by the Catholic Church. I recommend you speak with your priest ASAP.

If the OP and his spouse where both non-Catholic at the time of their marriage and where otherwise free to marry then the church would recognize it as a valid marriage.

Hello mswood,

                       There's a lot of if's..bt the question about commitment is answered, two people living together is not a commitment it's a living arrangement and most probably using some form of contraception.  Two married civilly, or in another Church have made a legal commitment to each other although outside of the Sacramental state, and the Church community.

posting this again from earlier post,The question of the thread has been answered.

Perhaps the priest referenced by “john oxios” was obliquely referring to this passage from Bl. John Paul II’s Familiaris consortio:

"82. There are increasing cases of Catholics who for ideological or practical reasons, prefer to contract a merely civil marriage, and who reject or at least defer religious marriage. Their situation cannot of course be likened to that of people simply living together without any bond at all, because in the present case there is at least a certain commitment to a properly-defined and probably stable state of life, even though the possibility of a future divorce is often present in the minds of those entering a civil marriage. By seeking public recognition of their bond on the part of the State, such couples show that they are ready to accept not only its advantages but also its obligations. Nevertheless, not even this situation is acceptable to the Church.

**The aim of pastoral action will be to make these people understand the need for consistency between their choice of life and the faith that they profess, and to try to do everything possible to induce them to regularize their situation in the light of Christian principle. **While treating them with great charity and bringing them into the life of the respective communities, the pastors of the Church will regrettably not be able to admit them to the sacraments."

www.vatican.va/holy_father/jo…sortio_en.html

God bless,
John

 

[Matthew_Holford]

Despite Mr. Oxios’s attempts to demonstrate otherwise a Catholic who marries outside of the Catholic Church without the proper dispensation is married invalidly. He may equally have boldened the following sentence of Familiaris Consortio:

Nevertheless, not even this situation is acceptable to the Church.

It is never too difficult for anyone to lift a quotation from a document, out of context, that might appear to “prove” their point.

 

[John_oxios]

Despite Mr. Oxios’s attempts to demonstrate otherwise a Catholic who marries outside of the Catholic Church without the proper dispensation is married invalidly. He may equally have boldened the following sentence of Familiaris Consortio:

It is never too difficult for anyone to lift a quotation from a document, out of context, that might appear to “prove” their point.

I don’t have a problem with that, the comment was about recognizing the commitment NOT the marriage. Having been in the situation myself, I understand.
and if you thought I was skirting ‘Lifting’ the point I would not have included it. ( I don’t get down like that,) It’s easy point your finger at people and call them adulterers… But not even Christ cast the first stone, or condemned! The Church is LOVE, and the reason we turn to her is because God loves us first.

The reason  this came up is because I stated the Church recognizes the commitment they have made, whereas others have stated otherwise.

Out of context??
**The point is **they do recognize the Commitment, not the marriage(better!). Now living together is all together different situation and there are those who believe its the same arrangement.

** The Church is absolute,** no exceptions,** it has to be.**… but nobody goes through life living the absolutely! Paul never went into a community and said, YOU"RE DOING THIS ALl WRONG!!!" He worked with what they had, and captivated their thoughts on Christ.
You have to start somewhere, work with what they have… Too many of the super religious turn people away … and even Jesus had problems with those who lauded thier religion over compassion… Hate the sin, love the sinner! Ya can’t bring’em without the love, and ya can’t keep’em without the Love…,its why so many Catholics go to the Protestant faith, they give’m the Love, welcome whee they are and work with themfrom there.

God bless,
John

 

[Matthew_Holford]

I don’t have a problem with that, the comment was about recognizing the commitment NOT the marriage. Having been in the situation myself, I understand.
and if you thought I was skirting ‘Lifting’ the point I would not have included it. ( I don’t get down like that,) It’s easy point your finger at people and call them adulterers… But not even Christ cast the first stone, or condemned! The Church is LOVE, and the reason we turn to her is because God loves us first.

The reason  this came up is because I stated the Church recognizes the commitment they have made, whereas others have stated otherwise.

Out of context??
**The point is **they do recognize the Commitment, not the marriage(better!). Now living together is all together different situation and there are those who believe its the same arrangement.

** The Church is absolute,** no exceptions,** it has to be.**… but nobody goes through life living the absolutely! Paul never went into a community and said, YOU"RE DOING THIS ALl WRONG!!!" He worked with what they had, and captivated their thoughts on Christ.
You have to start somewhere, work with what they have… Too many of the super religious turn people away … and even Jesus had problems with those who lauded thier religion over compassion… Hate the sin, love the sinner! Ya can’t bring’em without the love, and ya can’t keep’em without the Love…,its why so many Catholics go to the Protestant faith, they give’m the Love, welcome whee they are and work with themfrom there.

God bless,
John

I have decided that this will be my last post in this thread. You have decided that your point is correct and that you will believe what you want to believe. You are clearly not open to learning. The Catholic Church does love but it can be a harsh love like the love of any parent wanting to guide their children along the right path even if they don’t always want to follow that path. Many Catholics go to Protestant ecclesial communities because they’re allowed to believe what they want.