Valid Marriages

[rod_smith77]

-My girlfriend is Roman Catholic- post Vatican II-
I am Traditonal Roman Catholic- pre Vatican II-

Now if i get married to her in her church is it still a valid marriage for me. Or is it invalid since we are a mixed marriage.

thank you in advance
Rod

 

[Joan_M]

I do not understand your question! You say you are a Tradidional Roman Catholic and your is a Roman Catholic. The only qualifying statements you give is “pre” or “post” Vatican II. Vatican II did not end one Roman Catholic church and start another one!

Either you are Catholic or not. If you are Catholic, you believe all the Church teaches and are faithful to the Pope and the Magisterium. This applies to both of you.

If you are both faithful Catholics, there is no mixed marriage. If, however, you are intimating that you are a schismatic, denying the validity of the N. O. Mass, and/or a sedevacantist, then you need to get a dispensation to marry, for you do not belong to the Roman Catholic Church.

A mixed marriage, in the Catholic Church, is a valid marriage, providing that the parties involved obtain the necessary dispensation / permission.

 

[Veronica_Anne]

Joan M:

I do not understand your question! You say you are a Tradidional Roman Catholic and your is a Roman Catholic. The only qualifying statements you give is “pre” or “post” Vatican II. Vatican II did not end one Roman Catholic church and start another one!

Either you are Catholic or not. If you are Catholic, you believe all the Church teaches and are faithful to the Pope and the Magisterium. This applies to both of you.

If you are both faithful Catholics, there is no mixed marriage. If, however, you are intimating that you are a schismatic, denying the validity of the N. O. Mass, and/or a sedevacantist, then you need to get a dispensation to marry, for you do not belong to the Roman Catholic Church.

A mixed marriage, in the Catholic Church, is a valid marriage, providing that the parties involved obtain the necessary dispensation / permission.

I agree with everything you say – except for your last paragraph.

The Catholic Church (in all its rites – latin/Roman, Byzantine, etc.) consider that every marriage between validly baptized (in the name of the Father, and Son, and Holy Spirit) man and woman who are free to marry IS a valid marriage until proven otherwise with a degree of nullity (“annulment”).

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Veronica Anne:

I agree with everything you say – except for your last paragraph.

The Catholic Church (in all its rites – latin/Roman, Byzantine, etc.) consider that every marriage between validly baptized (in the name of the Father, and Son, and Holy Spirit) man and woman who are free to marry IS a valid marriage until proven otherwise with a degree of nullity (“annulment”).

You are both correct in your own ways as I understand it.

To marry someone that is not a Catholic, it is as Joan states…
Joan M:

A mixed marriage, in the Catholic Church, is a valid marriage, providing that the parties involved obtain the necessary dispensation / permission.

A dispenstation is necessary.

It is considered Valid by the Catholic Church. As Veronica says, the Church assumes validity in all marriages.

Only if later was an annulment applied for, the lack of a dispensation could be seen as a defect of form.

 

[Deacon_Ed]

Veronica Anne:

I agree with everything you say – except for your last paragraph.

The Catholic Church (in all its rites – latin/Roman, Byzantine, etc.) consider that every marriage between validly baptized (in the name of the Father, and Son, and Holy Spirit) man and woman who are free to marry IS a valid marriage until proven otherwise with a degree of nullity (“annulment”).

Not quite true… The Catholic Church considers all marriages between non-Catholics to be valid until proven otherwise in the annulment process. If both parties are baptized Christians it is also considered sacramental. Marriage between two unbaptized or an unbaptized and baptized person is considered a “natural bond.” Catholics, of course, are boudn by canon law to marrry before a bishop, priest or deacon unless dispensed from canonical form (there is an exception when a bishop, priest or deacon cannot be present and this condition is expected to last for a month or more).

Deacon Ed

 

[SeekerJen]

-My girlfriend is Roman Catholic- post Vatican II-
I am Traditonal Roman Catholic- pre Vatican II-

Now if i get married to her in her church is it still a valid marriage for me. Or is it invalid since we are a mixed marriage.

thank you in advance
Rod

What Joan said. If you are a schismatic and/or sedevacantist, then you will likely have to obtain the same dispensation that my non-Catholic Christian husband and I did before we could marry in my parish. If you are in communion with Rome and belong to an indult parish, then you don’t even have to worry about dispensations or mixed marriages.

Once the dispensation has been obtained and it is determined that both of you are free and clear to marry, the Roman Catholic Church will consider the marriage to be both valid and sacramental.

 

[puzzleannie]

Vatican II was from 1962 to 1965, this is 2004, we are all post-Vatican II Catholics if we have been baptized and remain in full communion with the Catholic Church (in any of its several rites). If you have separated yourself from the Catholic Church to join any other denomination or schismatic sect, you will require a dispensation to marry a Catholic.

 

[dumspirospero]

Just because you hold on to traditional values, such as the TLM or the older rules on fasting, etc…doesn’t exclude you from being a Post-VII Catholic…unless you totally reject VII and the Pope…I am a traditionalist too, but I fully accept VII, all of its teachings, and the Pope…I just choose to follow all of the customs and traditions available prior to VII that haven’t been changed by binding rules or statements.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

A Dispensation is required when a Catholic wishes to enter Marriage with a non-Baptized person (mixed Marriage) or wishes to be dispensed from some requirement of Canon Law. The Bishops permission is required for a Catholic to enter Marriage with a Baptized non-Catholic Christian (disparity of cult). For two Catholics to enter Marriage from two different parishes the Pastors will work that out. If they are from two different diocese then that also will need to be worked out by the Pastors. Marriage between two people of different Ritual Churches is worked out by the Bishops.

 

[Newman60]

-My girlfriend is Roman Catholic- post Vatican II-
I am Traditonal Roman Catholic- pre Vatican II-

Rod, Vatican II is a Catholic document. It is ours. It isn’t liberal or conservative. Read it. Think about it. Don’t let the liberals tell you otherwise.
That would be like believing what the media tells you about Catholicism. Don’t blame the message. Blame the messengers who would misinterpret it for you. They presume that you have not read it and will not now do so.
The Pope is Catholic. The Second Vatican Council produced a Catholic document.
Liberals who have used that on me have been unhappy to have the official document given back to them spiking their erroneous claims. They really don’t expect to be challenged.
Newman60