Value of Catholicism in comparison to other christian religions?

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Wannano said:
Furthermore, if you want to refer to the people in the lifeboats as those who did not believe that promise, it is doubtful that they tethered themselves to the ship, for if they believe the ship is going down they also will be drug down by the tethers.
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If you read my example carefully, you would have seen that I pointed to Christ as being the Ship Master, Peter and his fellow bishops as being the Officers, and of the mutiny as being against the Officers and not the Master. If it’s an absurd example, it’s absurd because the characters are absurd. To long for the Master but to reject and condemn His officers is an absurd thing.
 
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Wannano:
Furthermore, if you want to refer to the people in the lifeboats as those who did not believe that promise, it is doubtful that they tethered themselves to the ship, for if they believe the ship is going down they also will be drug down by the tethers.
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If you read my example carefully, you would have seen that I pointed to Christ as being the Ship Master, Peter and his fellow bishops as being the Officers, and of the mutiny as being against the Officers and not the Master. If it’s an absurd example, it’s absurd because the characters are absurd. To long for the Master but to reject and condemn His officers is an absurd thing.
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Just so you know Thom, I did read it carefully, several times in fact. I understood the framework you describe and never did I use the word “absurd.”

Within the Reformation I would think the people involved felt they were leaving under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I understand why the CC does not see it that way.

Peace.
 
po18guy said:
The primary reformers all called the Pope the antichrist.
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And they called the reformers all kinds of names, but a correction to your polemic, the reference is to specific teachings, again outlined in the confessions. No Lutheran would refer to Pope Francis as the Anti-Christ.
The LCMS does not teach, nor has it ever taught, that any individual Pope as a person, is to be identified with the Antichrist.
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https://www.lcms.org/about/beliefs/faqs/lcms-views#pope

Please, before misrepresenting what other communions teach, ask what they teach.
 
Amen. Of all western Christian traditions, confessiional Lutherans, Catholics and continuing Anglicans hold so much in common. I believe our theologians have a much higher level of respect and commonality than apologists who seem decades behind.

I pray for the growth of your faith.
 
Theban said:
Catholicism means Universality, and when I look on all other branches of Christianity and all the good in them, there seems to always be a catch regarding the inclusiveness.
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Well, I think under her exclusiveness towards Orthodox and Protestants she is no longer “universal” in its earliest sense. The CC certainly has her share of catches.

True that within Catholicism there is a lot of free movement, so long as you don’t rock the boat. Yet obviously she has her catches that leave people without.
 
I think Theban was talking about the diversity in Spiritualities and mindsets among the Church. Of course, the beliefs, the doxa must be the same, but I also find fascinating the diversity of approaches within Catholicism.
 
mcq72 said:
Well, I think under her exclusiveness towards Orthodox and Protestants she is no longer “universal” in its earliest sense.
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It’s true that the Universal Church isn’t so inclusive as to include those that reject it, but I don’t think anyone holds that against it either. My point is really just that a Calvinist will find more to like in Catholicism than a Catholic will find in Calvinism. The same goes for an Evangelical, or a Lutheran, or any other branches ( at least that I know of).

Every branch of Christianity will find a Catholic Saint to admire, and all of their Saints (probably) could have been a Catholic Saint as well, but specific branches would reject specific Saints from Catholicism or other branches. Thomas Aquinas would make a great Calvinist, but Saint Francis wouldn’t.

So the reason I say the Catholic Church is unique for her Universality is that Catholicism can fit everything that is good in other branches in it, but no other branch can fit in it everything that js good in Catholicism.
You say that you think the Catholic Church also has catches in this regard, but there I must disagree. Everything I have seen that is good and can be found outside the Church, can also be found in the Church.
 
Here is the conversion story by Steve Ray - not very long and it includes the analogy of a 'ship and rafts’… jump ahead to 8:20 if you only want the ship story.


Blessings!
 
A few things you may have forgotten: The Universal""church (Catholic -Greek) was formed by Jesus Christ - not a derivative like all the other Christian churches. Jesus himself, gave us Holy Communion and His followers (Apostles) the power to share His Last Supper offering to all whom followed. It seems that you feel the sacrament; the most blessed sacrament, that the Catholic Church is endowed with - Holy Communion, is simply a representation of the body and blood of Jesus and not the actual body and blood of His sacrifice for you, me and everyone. Other Christian religions may offer a symbolic communion, but you must know that your church, the CATHOLIC church, by God’s own hand, offers and continue to offer the actual sacrifice of His son Jesus, to all those without sin, who attend and partake in this beloved sacrifice as His Apostles did at the Last Supper. How much closer to God and Jesus can you possibly get? When the Priest approaches and stands before you holding the Blessed Host he says: "“This Is The Body Of Christ” It is not the representative Body of Christ but the true sacrifice of Jesus in every host and every sip of wine contains His blood that was given for your redemption. . . and yet you refuse this wonderful offering presented by a Catholic Priest who had consecrated this communion offering for you. You must be kidding!
 
Kind of like arranging deck chairs on the Titanic?

But also a means of diversion from the tumult of the world.
 
Hard to believe you can actually find JESUS CHRIST outside of the Catholic Church!
 
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