Vasectomy before baptism

[Magnum_V8]

Someone I’ve talked to on a couple different occasions said that prior to his family and him being received into the church, he and his wife were briefly told about NFP. They found it to be a huge pain, too complicated and hard to understand.

Prior to being received into the church, he said that he went and had a vasectomy, and that his priest told him that he better do it before baptism.

First of all, from what I know about this priest, I find it hard to believe the priest told him this. This priest seems very orthodox, offers the Tridentine Mass and seems highly educated in the faith.

So, did baptism remove this sin? This person knew full well the moral implications of this, and acted on it right away to get it done “in time.” I don’t believe this was the purpose of baptism, that is, to intentionally commit sins beforehand.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

Someone I’ve talked to on a couple different occasions said that prior to his family and him being received into the church, he and his wife were briefly told about NFP. They found it to be a huge pain, too complicated and hard to understand.

Prior to being received into the church, he said that he went and had a vasectomy, and that his priest told him that he better do it before baptism.

First of all, from what I know about this priest, I find it hard to believe the priest told him this. This priest seems very orthodox, offers the Tridentine Mass and seems highly educated in the faith.

So, did baptism remove this sin? This person knew full well the moral implications of this, and acted on it right away to get it done “in time.” I don’t believe this was the purpose of baptism, that is, to intentionally commit sins beforehand.

A valid Baptism would have removed any sins committed before Baptism.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

I wonder why the person was baptized if he didn’t want to follow God’s will. I guess he just felt this was some church rule. Hopefully, the grace of the sacraments will work a continuous conversion in his life.

 

[palmas85]

Someone I’ve talked to on a couple different occasions said that prior to his family and him being received into the church, he and his wife were briefly told about NFP. They found it to be a huge pain, too complicated and hard to understand.

Prior to being received into the church, he said that he went and had a vasectomy, and that his priest told him that he better do it before baptism.

First of all, from what I know about this priest, I find it hard to believe the priest told him this. This priest seems very orthodox, offers the Tridentine Mass and seems highly educated in the faith.

So, did baptism remove this sin? This person knew full well the moral implications of this, and acted on it right away to get it done “in time.” I don’t believe this was the purpose of baptism, that is, to intentionally commit sins beforehand.

Yes the Baptism would have removed this sin as well as all others. However, it would seem to me, and I’m no expert, that he will probably fall into a state of mortal sin again unless he changes his attitude towards Church teaching.

Of course there is always the hope that Baptism will work to change his perception on life and faith.

 

[geezerbob]

I’m neither a theologian nor the judge of anyone’s soul, but is seems like the sin of presumption is present here, both before and after baptism.

 

[DaveBj]

I’m neither a theologian nor the judge of anyone’s soul, but is seems like the sin of presumption is present here, both before and after baptism.

That was my thought as well. Sort of like, it’s easier to get forgiveness than it is to get permission.

DaveBj

 

[bluerose]

I’m just wondering what would happen if, God forbid, he died before he was baptized?

 

[Claire_from_DE]

Yesterday I read on one of the other forums that someone (I think Thomas Aquinas) said that if a person who was not repentant was baptized, he would acquire the character of the sacrament (also meaning, I guess, the removal of original sin?) but it would not forgive his sins. Can anyone tell me what the quote is and if the church accepts this idea?

I’m pretty sure if I tied up and baptized someone against his will, it wouldn’t be a valid baptism. But what if somebody desires baptism but doesn’t even have imperfect contrition for his sins?